Mask Control: Prove COVID-19 exists...I dare you!

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Truman

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So "enjoy" [your word] your discussion. I am not as you put it, "afraid" of what is happening and its consequences for me or even for my wife. I used my own example because some people in similar or worse circumstances may not have much more than milk. Some don't even have that are worried sick. The real help is to be found in God rather than understanding better the arguments of men and science which is not understood at all by most people affected by physical troubles.

You are so sure you are right in the points you are discussing, you miss my point seemingly completely.

As I say, "enjoy" [your word] your discussion, but do not expect it to help people move closer to God no matter what it does for them in their short allotted time here in the flesh.


I am very tired my friend. In my own way of thinking, I am ready to die physically, but God for the moment is not taking me. Perhaps after a while.
When He comes to get you, can you ask Him if He's got room for one more? If you go, I'm gonna be jealous! Sorta.
 
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It must be nice to have little problems. I have 6 major problems. Sigh! Pray for me, if you think about it.
My dad had diabetes. I've been checked for it. Perhaps I should be checked again. I've been feeling really weird for some time.
Always bro. I do not know your issues but I will pray.

One thing I had issues with was low blood sugar. I would get dizzy and almost pass out. I am thankful I was not driving during one of those spells. My grandmother had both feet amputated because of diabetes.. I hope you do not get this to add a 7th major issue :(
 
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Quote: @Eternally Grateful
No one is forcing anyone to wear a mask. .

QUOTE: @stunnedbygrace
A school child was just arrested for not wearing one in school. I've seen videos of grown people being arrested for not wearing one in a store. Ive seen videos of business owners being arrested for refusing to enforce a mask rule.. So your statement is obviously false.



We should pause and consider EXACTLY WHAT JUST TRANSPIRED.

Was this Mis-Information or Dis-Information, -- where anyone who is the least bit aware of Societal turmoi
. Even in most stores I go to, people willingly go in with no mask. No one is telling them to leave these days. At least in my town.

See what happens when you partially quote someone. You make it appear someone said something, when if you posted the whole conversation. You would see the poster made a comment (at least in my town). Which means it was not an across the board declaration.

Thats why I have miss stunnedbygrace on ignore. And will probably add a few more their in the process.

When you have to stoop so low as to partially quote someone without getting the whole picture. Something is wrong with you and you can not be trusted.

A year ago many were being arrested or escorted out of stores or places of business with no mask.

I do not see this today.. Does it happen in a few areas? I am sure it does.. But it is not as widespread as it used to be..
 
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What words has God put into our mouths? Are those not the ones to speak? When are we to be silent and when are we to speak?

When a person does speak to voice his opinion it can be a good thing so long as he does not insist that it must be my way or the highway...

Pilate asked, "What is truth?" He did not really know the answer. People on this thread believe they have the best answer as to whether the current vaccines are agents of death or of life. Can politics be left out of the conversation?

Are we living by faith in God or in man's ability to pull himself up by his own bootstraps?

Is it God's Word that is infallible or is it the logic of the brains of men? Do the two things coincide or overlap or are they completely separated entities?

Can we learn to discuss without personally attacking or hurting others even though we are certain that they are wrong? Only God has never been wrong. Is it OK to lamb blast my opponent because he did it me first?

I don't think that's a good direction, honestly. I think I would rather forgive than try to force others to treat me with respect. Firstly, I'm not due respect. Secondly, someone speaking to me in a way I feel is harsh or that hurts my feelings makes me examine my own hurt pride rather than demand they must speak to me the way I wish.
 

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NIH Admits Funding Gain-Of-Function COVID Experiments; Gives EcoHealth Five Days To Report Data
by ZeroHedge

A top NIH official admitted in a Wednesday letter that the US-funded so-called “gain-of-function” research in Wuhan, China – and that the US nonprofit which conducted it, EcoHealth Alliance – led by the controversial Peter Daszak, “failed to report” that they had created a chimeric bat coronavirus which could infect humans.

In a letter addressed to Rep. James Comer (R-KY), NIH Principal Deputy Director Lawrence A. Tabak cites a “limited experiment” to determine whether “spike proteins from naturally occurring bat coronaviruses circulating in China were capable of binding to the human ACE2 receptor in a mouse model.” According to the letter, humanized mice infected with the modified bat virus “became sicker” than those exposed to an unmodified version of the same bat coronavirus.

Daszak failed to report this finding, and has been given five days to submit “any and all unpublished data from the experiments and world conducted” under the NIH grant.

Rutgers University Board of Governors Chemistry Professor Richard H. Ebright sums it up. :


https://twitter.com/R_H_Ebright/status/1450947395508858880/photo/2


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While Tabak’s letter goes to great lengths to insist that EcoHealth’s work couldn’t have produced SARS-CoV-2, it absolutely vindicates Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY), who Fauci repeatedly called a liar in July for accusing him of funding GoF research in Wuhan, China.


https://twitter.com/i/status/1417501713087467526
As we noted in September, proof that the US funded of GoF research was blown wide open thanks to materials (here and here) released through a Freedom of Information Act lawsuit by The Intercept against the National Institutes of Health, revealing that EcoHealth was paid to make chimeric SARS-based Covid that they confirmed could infect human cells.

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While evidence of this research has been pointed to in published studies, the FOIA release provides a key piece to the puzzle which sheds new light on what was going on.

“This is a roadmap to the high-risk research that could have led to the current pandemic,” said Gary Ruskin, executive director of U.S. Right To Know, a group that has been investigating the origins of Covid-19 (via The Intercept).

We also learned in September that 18 months before the Pandemic, Daszak applied for a grant to release enhanced airborne coronaviruses into the wild in an effort to inoculate them against diseases that could have otherwise jumped to humans, according to The Telegraph, citing leaked grant proposals from 2018.

New documents show that just 18 months before the first Covid-19 cases appeared, researchers had submitted plans to release skin-penetrating nanoparticles containing “novel chimeric spike proteins” of bat coronaviruses into cave bats in Yunnan, China.

They also planned to create chimeric viruses, genetically enhanced to infect humans more easily, and requested $14million from the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (Darpa) to fund the work.

Daszak hoped to use genetic engineering to cobble “human-specific cleavage sites” onto bat Covid ‘which would make it easier for the virus to enter human cells’ – and included plans to commingle high-risk natural coronaviruses strains with more infectious, yet less deadly versions. His ‘bat team’ of researchers included Dr. Shi Zhengli from the Wuhan Institute of Virology, as well as US researchers from the University of North Carolina and the US Geological Survey National Wildlife Health Center.

Darpa refused the contract – saying “It is clear that the proposed project led by Peter Daszak could have put local communities at risk,” while warning that Daszak hadn’t fully considered the dangers involved in enhancing the virus via gain-of-function research, or by releasing a vaccine into the air.

Angus Dalgleish, Professor of Oncology at St Georges, University of London, who struggled to get work published showing that the Wuhan Institute of Virology (WIV) had been carrying out “gain of function” work for years before the pandemic, said the research may have gone ahead even without the funding.

“This is clearly a gain of function, engineering the cleavage site and polishing the new viruses to enhance human cell infectibility in more than one cell line,” he said. –Telegraph

In short, after a massive drop of receipts proved that Fauci, and his boss Francis Collins, lied, the NIH itself has finally acknowledged funding Gain-of-Function research.
 

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Always bro. I do not know your issues but I will pray.

One thing I had issues with was low blood sugar. I would get dizzy and almost pass out. I am thankful I was not driving during one of those spells. My grandmother had both feet amputated because of diabetes.. I hope you do not get this to add a 7th major issue :(
No, especially diabetes.
 
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No one has asked me or pressured me to support their efforts here...it's like every other thread, people with differing thoughts and opinions.
The pressure is applied sometimes unknowingly because of what we do favor or believe. As servants of God our problem often, I believe, is our focal point. What is needed is growth... but not energy and effort expended trying to improve the natural societies of men. That is beyond us. A turn around for the better is only possible in such things if God is in it. I do not believe that He is. But... a whole lot a believers are focusing on that rather than on God Himself and His Kingdom. There lies the biggest problem I see.

I can do for me as I lean on Him and He supplies what He see is needed. What can I do for others? Convince them of this or that regarding our corrupted society? Anyone really interested probably already knows that.

The answer is in God! The solution for any person, in most cases, does not lie in the solution to Covid-19, medically or politically!
Most of the posts on too many of the threads on this forum [all of the other forums probably as well] are for me not worth the time and effort.

I try to be led by God. @APAK thinks I am interfering with what people want to do. Maybe the moderators believe that as well. People doing what they want to do even when those things are opposed to God and His Way continues to be the problem.

"In those days...every man did that which was right in his own eyes." Judges 21:25

"Then I commended mirth, because a man hath no better thing under the sun, than to eat, and to drink, and to be merry: for that shall abide with him of his labour the days of his life, which God giveth him under the sun." Ecc 8:15

"Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man.
For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil." Ecc 12:13-14


 
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See what happens when you partially quote someone. You make it appear someone said something, when if you posted the whole conversation. You would see the poster made a comment (at least in my town). Which means it was not an across the board declaration.

Thats why I have miss stunnedbygrace on ignore. And will probably add a few more their in the process.

When you have to stoop so low as to partially quote someone without getting the whole picture. Something is wrong with you and you can not be trusted.

A year ago many were being arrested or ex courted out of stores or places of business with no mask.

I do not see this today.. Does it happen in a few areas? I am sure it does.. Butg it is not as widespread as it used to be..

It's called Quote mining whenever someone quotes another person out of context as you described, and it's a dishonest debate tactic.
 
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When He comes to get you, can you ask Him if He's got room for one more? If you go, I'm gonna be jealous! Sorta.
Don't be in too much of a hurry, old friend. I have two friends right now, offline, who according to what I see it would be better if God were to take them now rather than later. But... such decisions are not ours. Our time will come soon enough, according to God's timeclock rather than ours!

Give God the glory!
 

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I don't think that's a good direction, honestly. I think I would rather forgive than try to force others to treat me with respect. Firstly, I'm not due respect. Secondly, someone speaking to me in a way I feel is harsh or that hurts my feelings makes me examine my own hurt pride rather than demand they must speak to me the way I wish.
I hear you loud and clear, sister! It hurts me deeply to say things which I know will not always be received in agreement and even with joy by others. To have someone dislike me has during all of my life been a difficult thing for me. Before I really began to know God it was at times absolutely intolerable.

My participation in this thread today in this manner is extremely painful.... bringing to my mind the following conversation between God and Moses:

"And Moses said unto the LORD, O my Lord, I am not eloquent, neither heretofore, nor since thou hast spoken unto thy servant: but I am slow of speech, and of a slow tongue.
And the LORD said unto him, Who hath made man's mouth? or who maketh the dumb, or deaf, or the seeing, or the blind? have not I the LORD?
Now therefore go, and I will be with thy mouth, and teach thee what thou shalt say.
And he said, O my Lord, send, I pray thee, by the hand of him whom thou wilt send.
And the anger of the LORD was kindled against Moses,..." Exodus 4:10:14

I have had God angry with me in the past. It is a better thing to have men displeased with me than endure His anger against me. So... I am here. I really do love God...

Consider Jesus' words here:

"And he went a little farther, and fell on his face, and prayed, saying, O my Father, if it be possible, let this cup pass from me: nevertheless not as I will, but as thou wilt." Matt 26:39
 

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People doing what they want to do even when those things are opposed to God and His Way continues to be the problem.

I don't think I'm doing something opposed to God by discussing my concerns with this jab. If anything, I think I may help someone at some future date to not submit when it truly IS the mark that time.
I see very clear shadows in what's been going on. I realize you don't and that's okay.
 

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I see the spirit of communism is here.

You want to silence opposition.

Ya’ll must be happy with the tyranny that is taking place for the sake of your flesh’s safety.

I am not giving medical advice. Go listen to fibbing Fauci for that “medical” advice.

I am giving spiritual advice.
Fauci is not my physician and neither are you. Spiritual advice would be directing a person to God and His Son, I should think.

Perhaps the Jews were disappointed 2,000 years ago because Jesus did not come to overcome the Roman Empire. Jesus overcame the world of his own flesh and provided the means for individuals to also overcome to receive the rewards of overcomers. The obstacles then as now were in the individuals rather than in the systems of men...

Today there are things to overcome in individuals rather than in the governmental and health oriented organizations of men. In the following verse we read what each of us needs to overcome in ourselves by the power of God in us:

"For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world." I John 2:16

And to overcomers the reward is not a society with a viable solution to the Covid-19 trouble...

Read chapters 2 and 3 of the Book of Revelation for details...
 

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My advise is not medical, but spiritual. If you want to live, at least a while longer than the others, then you should get the vaccine. And when it comes the mark of the beast as well.

Persecution and death await those who fail to receive the mark. You will live longer if you do get it... even if you wish that you could die but can not. But at the time you got what you wanted and saved your life, rather than losing it.
 
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I don't think I'm doing something opposed to God by discussing my concerns with this jab. If anything, I think I may help someone at some future date to not submit when it truly IS the mark that time.
I see very clear shadows in what's been going on. I realize you don't and that's okay.
You have a commendable give and take attitude. Thank you for that and may God richly bless you as you walk on with Him!
 

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Spiritual advice would be directing a person to God and His Son, I should think.

The only spiritual advice I have ever given anyone has been an encouragement to the building up of their trust. I have never found any good advice for anyone other than a reminder to trust or pointing out where they aren't trusting on some certain thing.

Concerning this jab, as I have previously said, if you got the jab, trust God. If you have decided not to get the jab, trust God.

If someone discussing the jab leads you to a fearfulness and anger rather than continuing in trust, to try to shut them up is not what you should be focusing your energies on. You should focus on why what a man said caused you to leave your trust and then just turn back to trust.
 
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The only spiritual advice I have ever given anyone has been an encouragement to the building up of their trust. I have never found any good advice for anyone other than a reminder to trust or pointing out where they aren't trusting on some certain thing.

Concerning this jab, as I have previously said, if you got the jab, trust God. If you have decided not to get the jab, trust God.

If someone discussing the jab leads you to a fearfulness and anger rather than continuing in trust, to try to shut them up is not what you should be focusing your energies on. You should focus on why what a man said caused you to leave your trust and then just turn back to trust.
Actually I seldom engage in such threads. They are among those I routinely skip, however sometimes God redirects me for His purpose rather than my own. For myself alone I would not be on the thread now... Only God gives any real increases, so what could I do?

Nothing at all! But... when and if God directs us, should we ignore Him?

I have tried to quit this forum altogether more than once over the years I have been here. God has always let me know that I needed to stay!
 

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Actually I seldom engage in such threads. They are among those I routinely skip, however sometimes God redirects me for His purpose rather than my own. For myself alone I would not be on the thread now... Only God gives any real increases, so what could I do?

Nothing at all! But... when and if God directs us, should we ignore Him?

I have tried to quit this forum altogether more than once over the years I have been here. God has always let me know that I needed to stay!

The trick is to think God has led you somewhere but without assumptions as to WHY He has led you there.
 
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