Messiah 2030

[David in NJ]

He never spoke of the miracles that were left out of the Bible.
Therefore they do not exist?

HE spoke of TRUTH = therefore you must believe His words = every one of them = Matthew 4:4

If it were not written down for us then we do not speculate = Proverbs 30:5-6

 

[Nancy]

Since Jesus only does and says as The Father speaks, do you ever think The Father simply has not 'spoken" it yet?

 

[David in NJ]

Since Jesus only does and says as The Father speaks, do you ever think The Father simply has not 'spoken" it yet?

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A little more info please on where you are going with this - THANK YOU

 

[covenantee]

Did you just ignore all the scriptures that covenantee posted which show that every time the word "naos" is used by Paul it refers to an individual's body or the collective body of Christ (the church) as the temple of God?

Paul is speaking figuratively in 2 Thessalonians 2:4 about people in the church who fall away deciding that they don't need God anymore, thereby essentially making themselves God.

The phrase "the man of sin" is not referring to an individual man of sin, but rather is referring to rebellious mankind in general. The following passage refers to "the man of God", but is not referring to an individual man of God, but rather to the people of God in general.

2 Timothy 3:16 All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness: 17 That the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.

Why would Paul talk about a physical temple of God there in 2 Thessalonians 2:4 when he never used the word "naos" to refer to a physical temple anywhere else? Paul would not be inconsistent like that.

How could a future physical temple possibly be considered the temple of God? It would have to be a temple that God Himself would consider to be His temple. That's not possible for a future physical temple to be His temple. He no longer dwells in temples made with human hands (Acts 7:48, Acts 17:24).

Unquestionably Paul was intimately aware of and familiar with all of the various manifestations of apostasy in the early Church.

But now he was foreseeing something entirely unique and unprecedented - a man of sin (and succession thereof, per 2 Timothy 3:17) who would take up residence within the Church, claim to in essence be God upon the earth, and arrogate and usurp the spiritual authorities, rights, and privileges which God had given to the Church. These declarations, and many more, leave no doubt as to the pretensions of this apostasy:

1. “All the names which in the Scripture are applied to Christ, by virtue of which it is established that He is over the church, all the same names are applied to the Pope.” Robert Cardinal Bellarmine, De Conciliorum Auctoriatate (On the Authority of the Councils) Bk 2, chap. 17
2. “The pope is of so great dignity and so exalted that he is not mere man, but as it were God, and the vicar of God. He is the divine monarch and supreme emperor, and king of kings. Hence the pope is crowned with a triple crown, as King of heaven and of earth and of the lower regions.” Lucius Ferraris, Prompta Bibliotheca, vol.6, art. “Papa II”
3. “We hold upon this earth the place of God Almighty.” Pope Leo XIII, in an encyclical letter dated June 20, 1894, The Great Encyclical Letters of Leo XIII, p. 304.

Evangelist and author H. Grattan Guinness describes it fittingly:

"What other ruling monarch of Christendom ever pretended to apostolic authority, or ruled men in the name of God? Does the pope dress in royal robes? Nay, but in priestly garments. Does he wear a crown? Nay, but a triple tiara, to show that he reigns in heaven, earth, and hell! Does he wield a sceptre? Nay, but a crosier or crook, to show that he is the good shepherd of the Church. Do his subjects kiss his hand? Nay, but his toe! Verily this power is diverse from the rest, both in great things and little." (Romanism and the Reformation)

Scripture and history confirm the validity of Paul's divinely inspired prescience.

 

[Scott Downey]

It can't be the 'temple of God' on earth
The temple of God is His people who are on earth, that is where God dwells. Jesus said HE will be in you.

John 14:23
Jesus answered and said to him, “If anyone loves Me, he will keep My word; and My Father will love him, and We will come to him and make Our home with him.

But it could be called the 'temple of God' falsely, as that is what the people of that future time will think it is, even though it is a false idea, as obviously there is not God dwelling there in some kind of a building.

And recall the people of that future time will be under a strong delusion sent from God to believe the lie, as they refuse to love the truth.
They being under strong delusions, will believe nonsensical stuff, worse than even today. They will be far from the Truth.

 

[Dave Watchman]

A little more info please on where you are going with this - THANK YOU

"I only speak the words given to me by my Father.

"I only speak the words given to me by the Father" is a statement that reflects the belief that Jesus spoke only the words that the Father instructed him to speak. This concept is clearly expressed in John 12, where Jesus says, "For I have not spoken on my own, but the Father who sent me has commanded me what to say and how to say it".

"For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak."​

I believe Nancy is actually correct, even as it relates to the second coming. There's a reason why only the Father, even now, can be the only One to know the day and the hour. There's more than one reason why.

Jesus said He would never blot out our name from the Book of Life. That Book was given to Him by the Father. The Father already wrote the names in it.

I can get into all kinds of trouble here if I continue. I think the Rapture is coming very soon, but there's only one. They can't wait for another Rapture. We're waiting for more names to come through the pipeline so that a complete number of our brothers and fellow servants can be here now.

When Christ appears we will be like Him, in the twinkling of an eye, for we will see Him as He is.

 

[David in NJ]

"I only speak the words given to me by my Father.

"I only speak the words given to me by the Father" is a statement that reflects the belief that Jesus spoke only the words that the Father instructed him to speak. This concept is clearly expressed in John 12, where Jesus says, "For I have not spoken on my own, but the Father who sent me has commanded me what to say and how to say it".

"For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak."​

I believe Nancy is actually correct, even as it relates to the second coming. There's a reason why only the Father, even now, can be the only One to know the day and the hour. There's more than one reason why.

Jesus said He would never blot out our name from the Book of Life. That Book was given to Him by the Father. The Father already wrote the names in it.

I can get into all kinds of trouble here if I continue. I think the Rapture is coming very soon, but there's only one. They can't wait for another Rapture. We're waiting for more names to come through the pipeline so that a complete number of our brothers and fellow servants can be here now.

When Christ appears we will be like Him, in the twinkling of an eye, for we will see Him as He is.

YES, thank you = fully understood

That was when the LORD walked this earth as a man = "the son of man"

BEFORE the Word became flesh, HE dwelt in Eternity being Echad/One with the FATHER and the HOLY SPIRIT

JESUS returned to the FATHER and to the Glory HE had with the FATHER before the world was created = John chapter 17

THEY had plenty of conversations from Eternity past as they are now in Eternity Present as they will in Eternity Future

The Word that was God = John 1:1

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

The AC is revealed pretrib.
"Revealed" is not the same as "in power"

Actually when he is revealed that's when he becomes in power.

And yes, he is revealed before the rapture happens, but the first 3.5 years are going to be relativity peaceful which is how he tricked everyone in to following him and taking the mark

When he comes on the scene he bring peace and seemingly answers to all the world problems which is why everyone want him to be in power. For a few years now there are people around the world asking for a one world leader

He never spoke of the miracles that were left out of the Bible.
Therefore they do not exist?

God spoke in His Word about everything He wants mankind to know about.

Just because He did things that were not put in His Word does not mean He did not do them, it just means you don't need to be worrying about them.

Since Jesus only does and says as The Father speaks, do you ever think The Father simply has not 'spoken" it yet?

Anything the Lord has not yet revealed to mankind thru His Word are things we don't need to know about

Scripture and history confirm the validity of Paul's divinely inspired prescience.

The Lord is Somebody and Paul is nobody so let's not be following Paul as some are doing making him in to an idol due to their still being carnal not being led by the Holy Spirit.

When Christ appears we will be like Him, in the twinkling of an eye, for we will see Him as He is.

Those that are born again filled with the Spirit walking in God's Word are like Him right now!

We just haven't received out glorified body yet like the Lord has.

In fact when He appears, those that are not like Him will be rejected by Him because they are still like the devil.

 

[David in NJ]

"I only speak the words given to me by my Father.

"I only speak the words given to me by the Father" is a statement that reflects the belief that Jesus spoke only the words that the Father instructed him to speak. This concept is clearly expressed in John 12, where Jesus says, "For I have not spoken on my own, but the Father who sent me has commanded me what to say and how to say it".

"For I have not spoken of myself; but the Father which sent me, he gave me a commandment, what I should say, and what I should speak."​

I believe Nancy is actually correct, even as it relates to the second coming. There's a reason why only the Father, even now, can be the only One to know the day and the hour. There's more than one reason why.

Jesus said He would never blot out our name from the Book of Life. That Book was given to Him by the Father. The Father already wrote the names in it.

I can get into all kinds of trouble here if I continue. I think the Rapture is coming very soon, but there's only one. They can't wait for another Rapture. We're waiting for more names to come through the pipeline so that a complete number of our brothers and fellow servants can be here now.

When Christ appears we will be like Him, in the twinkling of an eye, for we will see Him as He is.

FYI = 1 Thess 4:13-18

the Rapture is a one-time event that is PRECEDED by His Coming and the Resurrection(First) of the dead in Christ

Not a single Blood Washed Saint is left behind = Hebrews 13:5

 

[covenantee]

The Lord is Somebody and Paul is nobody so let's not be following Paul as some are doing making him in to an idol due to their still being carnal not being led by the Holy Spirit.

Philippians 4
9 Those things, which ye have both learned, and received, and heard, and seen in me, do: and the God of peace shall be with you.

Let's be following Paul's example as did the Philippians.