Messiah 2030

[Zao is life]

I think the OP video people are right about a bunch of important things, but they are also wrong about some other very important things. One of the errors they make is how they address the 70th week, and another is how they count Jubilee cycles.

They count 2 1000 year "Days", as being 40 Jubilee cycles, or 2000 years. So he's going 40 Jubilees X 50 years = 2000 years. Only problem is they have to be counted just like in the original 70 week Prophecy where the 50th Jubilee year also became year #1 for the next Jubilee cycle. There were 3 sets of 70 weeks starting at the Exodus in 1437BC, to the end of Daniel 9's 70 weeks in 34AD.

I agree, except with where you have the completion of Daniel's seventy weeks. This is a subject that involves a lot of things, beginning with what the law says:

Whether the Jews always kept it this way or not, according to the Law the Jubilee year always began in the 49th year - on the Day of Atonement - and continued till half way through the following year, which was the first of the next cycle of 49 years:

Leviticus 25:8-10
"And thou shalt number seven sabbaths of years unto thee, seven times seven years; and the space of the seven sabbaths of years shall be unto thee forty and nine years. Then shalt thou cause the trumpet of the jubilee to sound on the tenth day of the seventh month, in the day of atonement shall ye make the trumpet sound throughout all your land. And ye shall hallow the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof: it shall be a jubilee unto you; and ye shall return every man unto his possession, and ye shall return every man unto his family."

This was pointed out by the late Christian Gedge in his book "The Atonement Clock", which traces four cycles of 490 years, beginning with the night Jacob dreamed about the ladder between earth and heaven and ending with the date of Christ's crucifixion on April 7th, AD30 in the Gregorian calendar - which it turns out is the same day that modern astronomy traces the full moon of that year to:

Passover always coincides with the full moon, and between A.D 26 and A.D 36 (the years during which Pontius Pilate was governor of Judea), a full moon occurred on:

April 7th, A.D 30 | 15 Nisan (biblical calendar); and on
April 3rd, A.D 33 | 14 Nisan.

Nisan 15th was the first day of Unleavened Bread in A.D 30 (7 April A.D 30). Why is this important? It's important because of what is said both in the law and in the gospels:

Exodus 12:5-6 says,
"Your lamb must be perfect, a male, one year old; you may take it from the sheep or from the goats. You must care for it until the fourteenth day of this month, and then the whole community of Israel will kill it around sundown."

In Israel the next date begins at sundown, or immediately after sunset.

Leviticus 23:4-7 says,
"'These are the LORD's appointed times, holy assemblies, which you must proclaim at their appointed time. In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month, at twilight, is a Passover offering to the LORD. Then on the fifteenth day of the same month will be the festival of unleavened bread to the LORD; seven days you must eat unleavened bread. On the first day there will be a holy assembly for you; you must not do any regular work."

Mark 14:12-13 tells us,
"And the first day of Unleavened Bread, when they killed the passover, His disciples said to Him, Where do You desire that we go and prepare that You may eat the passover? And He sent out two of His disciples and said to them, Go into the city, and there you shall meet a man bearing a pitcher of water. Follow him."

Matthew 26:17 tells us,
"And on the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, the disciples came to Jesus, saying to Him, Where do You desire that we prepare for You to eat the Passover?"

The first day of Unleavened Bread is the 15th of Nisan (always). The Passover meal is eaten on the 15th of Nisan, after nightfall of the 14th, when it is slaughtered.

Luke 22:7-9 says,
"And the day of the Unleavened Bread came, when the Passover must be killed. He sent Peter and John, saying, Go and prepare the Passover for us, so that we may eat. 9 And they said to Him. Where do You desire that we prepare?"

Luke 22:1-2 says,
"And the Feast of Unleavened Bread, which is called the Passover, drew near. And the chief priests and scribes sought how they might kill Him."

John's gospel throws us off a little from the above, because John records,

John 19:14
"And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!"

John 18:28
"Then led they Jesus from Caiaphas unto the hall of judgment: and it was early; and they themselves went not into the judgment hall, lest they should be defiled; but that they might eat the passover."

John 18:29-30 & 38-40:
"Then Pilate went out to them and said, What charge do you bring against this man? They answered and said to him, If he were not an evildoer, then we would not have delivered him up to you."

John 19:30-31
"When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost. The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away."

John's gospel seems to imply that it was on the 14th of Nisan, because the first day of unleavened bread was a sabbath day - but if we follow what is said in the Law, and in Matthew, Mark, and Luke, and also by John where John 18:28 tells us that Jesus "was led from Caiaphas unto the hall of judgment: and it was early",

then we can only understand this to mean that Jesus was crucified on the 15th day of Nisan, the first day of unleavened bread, which was a sabbath day, and the reason why the Jews wanted the bodies to be taken off the cross, was because they WERE on the cross on the sabbath day. It was already too late for the Jews to attempt to ensure that the Romans did not crucify anyone on the sabbath day, so they besought Pilate to have the bodies taken down.

It's very involved, but both Christian Gedge's tracing of the schmita cycles in the scriptures and the four 490-years cycles beginning with the date of Jacob's ladder and ending with the date of the crucifixion, just happens to agree with modern astronomy's date of the first day of unleavened bread of 7 April, AD30 - 40 years before AD70.

Christian Gedge's book dates the last Jubilee year to have begun in the year Jesus began His ministry, which if true means that the idea that it was AD30, is faulty.

But if counted from AD30 (as the people in the OP video do), 40 Jubilee cycles from AD30 is 40 x 49 = 1,960 years - but if you add the 40 years between AD30 and AD70 during which the Jews were wandering in unbelief (Hebrews 3:9 & 17), then it brings you back to the year 2030 - though the Jews were not wandering in a literal wilderness in unbelief between AD30 and AD70, but they had the gospel being preached to them but lacked faith in the Word of God (Romans 9:32) .

IMHO the whole exercise of dating the year of the return of Christ always ends up too full of holes, no matter what model or whose model is followed - because there's always information we are missing but that is pertinent to a correct dating.

* As a disclaimer on his behalf I believe I should mention that the late Christian Gedge did NOT believe that the schimita cycles and counting continued beyond the crucifixion of Christ - he believed that the whole purpose for the biblical calendar and the cycles was what he called "The Atonement Clock" - which is the title of his book. He had a ministry called "Five loaves and two fishes" in New Zealand (in case the anyone wants to try and find the book and it may no longer be available anywhere). I did not know Chris Gedge - I'm just saying what I did know about him.

 

[Dave Watchman]

So it appears and yet many are not watching.

I know it. It's because things are not happening like how they were expecting, things are not happening like the prophecy expositors told them it would be happening. They're watching and looking for things like specific Two Witnesses, and an Antichrist putting an image of himself up in a rebuilt temple and claiming to be God.

The prophetic time periods seem to be suggesting things like these have just been happening in other ways, and we have been in a sort of tribulation of the Matrix where people have been walking around like things are normal. The 5 months of Revelation 9 slipped by in the spring of 2022, and people were out going about their everyday business not recognizing it.

I am saying that if 2030 is correct we would count back 7 years for a 7 year covenant with many which would be the fall of 2023. Interestingly enough, the is a 7 year covenant with many that was signed by the UN in September of 2023. This covenant is unconfirmed by the Antichrist at this time.

Ok, I just did a hard search on it. This is going to be an important area where I'm not going to enjoy saying I do not agree 100% with. This is not what it is. It is interesting. Because everything happening in our recent times IS interesting. But this is not what it is for multiple reasons.

My Brave Browser's Ai says this:

UN 7-Year Covenant​

The United Nations (UN) called for a "7 Years of Accelerated, Transformative Action to Achieve SDGs" in September 2023, emphasizing the need for a global rescue plan to address pressing challenges and accelerate progress toward the Sustainable Development Goals (SDGs) by 2030.
This initiative was highlighted during the SDG Summit, which took place from 18-19 September 2023 at the UN Headquarters in New York.
The summit marked the halfway point to the 2030 Agenda and aimed to reignite global commitment to transformative actions.

During the summit, world leaders adopted a sweeping Political Declaration to reaffirm their shared commitment to the SDGs, emphasizing the need for bold decisions, resource reallocation, and the mobilization of a wide range of actors to advance disruptive change.
The declaration was seen as a critical step in ensuring that the SDGs remain on track despite ongoing global crises, including armed conflict, climate change, and the lingering effects of the COVID-19 pandemic.

While the term "covenant" is not explicitly used in the context of the UN's 2023 actions, the call for a seven-year plan and the adoption of the Political Declaration reflect a collective commitment to accelerate progress toward the SDGs, which can be interpreted as a form of global agreement or covenant.
The UN Secretary-General, António Guterres, emphasized the importance of this moment, stating that the SDGs need a global rescue plan to ensure the well-being of people and the planet.

AI-generated answer. Please verify critical facts.

And then there's the Abraham Accords

The Abraham Accords are a set of agreements that established diplomatic normalization between Israel and several Arab states, beginning with the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain.[1][2] Announced in August and September 2020 and signed in Washington, D.C. on September 15, 2020, the accords were mediated by the United States under President Donald Trump.[3] The UAE and Bahrain became the first Arab countries to formally recognize Israel since Jordan in 1994.[4] In the months that followed, Sudan and Morocco also agreed to normalize relations with Israel, although Sudan's agreement remains unratified as of 2024.[5]

But it's not this thing either, even though it appears to be happening closer to the actual timing, because "the covenant" is something already in place. It's a previous Covenant which comes from God/Jesus that He, (Jesus), "confirms", or "strengthens".

"And I prayed to the Lord my God, and made confession, and said, “O Lord, great and awesome God, who keeps His covenant and mercy with those who love Him, and with those who keep His commandments, - Daniel 9:4​

This screenshot I post comes from the OP video makers part three, and touches base on one of the things I'm sure he gets right:

Notice at the bottom. Who strengthens the Covenant? God strengthens the Covenant.

The video should start in progress. At 1:19:39 Gabriel, who's name means in Hebrew: "God strengthens", is shown to come prior to Messiah's arrival.

And I also continue to insist the heptad of verse 9:27, is one full and complete period of seven years, but separate from the one which has already occurred with Christ's first visitation. This is very important. Because only God/Christ can put an end to all sacrifices and offerings, because they are the Ones doing them in Heaven's Temple in Revelation 8. When the censer is cast down, that's it. The last service is finally finished. This has something to do with the salvation opportunity of the people living prior to Christ's arrival. It might not always be a good thing when it ends.

True. But Jesus died in 30AD which is the anchor point.

With this we agree 100%. (It's fun to agree). This is one of those things I could prove in a court of law. Anyone can bring up the calendars for Israel that year and count the Passover that year. It's the only year in that vicinity which matches with the Artaxerxes Decree in 457BC. Plus, Christian Gedge and Larry Wilson, the two best Biblical Calendrical guys, both are in agreement with that date.

All eyes will see the coming of the Lord but the Lord will not set His feet on the earth. All go to heaven for the marriage supper of the Lamb.

With this we also agree 100%.

That said it looks as if the rapture of the Church is imminent.

With this we also agree 100%. I think it's going to be fast, like lightning form the east.

Peaceful Sabbath.

 

[The Light]

I know it. It's because things are not happening like how they were expecting, things are not happening like the prophecy expositors told them it would be happening. They're watching and looking for things like specific Two Witnesses, and an Antichrist putting an image of himself up in a rebuilt temple and claiming to be God.

Ain't that the truth.

The prophetic time periods seem to be suggesting things like these have just been happening in other ways, and we have been in a sort of tribulation of the Matrix where people have been walking around like things are normal. The 5 months of Revelation 9 slipped by in the spring of 2022, and people were out going about their everyday business not recognizing it.

I do not agree with this. None of the 7 seals are opened. Those 5 months of Revelation 9 cannot happen until the wrath of God begins which is the 7th seal. The tribulation has not even begun yet.

Ok, I just did a hard search on it. This is going to be an important area where I'm not going to enjoy saying I do not agree 100% with. This is not what it is. It is interesting. Because everything happening in our recent times IS interesting. But this is not what it is for multiple reasons.

My Brave Browser's Ai says this:

UN 7-Year Covenant​

The United Nations (UN) called for a "7 Years of Accelerated, Transformative Action to Achieve SDGs" in September 2023, emphasizing the need for a global rescue plan to address pressing challenges and accelerate progress toward the Sustainable Development Goals (SDGs) by 2030.
This initiative was highlighted during the SDG Summit, which took place from 18-19 September 2023 at the UN Headquarters in New York.
The summit marked the halfway point to the 2030 Agenda and aimed to reignite global commitment to transformative actions.

During the summit, world leaders adopted a sweeping Political Declaration to reaffirm their shared commitment to the SDGs, emphasizing the need for bold decisions, resource reallocation, and the mobilization of a wide range of actors to advance disruptive change.
The declaration was seen as a critical step in ensuring that the SDGs remain on track despite ongoing global crises, including armed conflict, climate change, and the lingering effects of the COVID-19 pandemic.

While the term "covenant" is not explicitly used in the context of the UN's 2023 actions, the call for a seven-year plan and the adoption of the Political Declaration reflect a collective commitment to accelerate progress toward the SDGs, which can be interpreted as a form of global agreement or covenant.
The UN Secretary-General, António Guterres, emphasized the importance of this moment, stating that the SDGs need a global rescue plan to ensure the well-being of people and the planet.

AI-generated answer. Please verify critical facts.

And then there's the Abraham Accords

The Abraham Accords are a set of agreements that established diplomatic normalization between Israel and several Arab states, beginning with the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain.[1][2] Announced in August and September 2020 and signed in Washington, D.C. on September 15, 2020, the accords were mediated by the United States under President Donald Trump.[3] The UAE and Bahrain became the first Arab countries to formally recognize Israel since Jordan in 1994.[4] In the months that followed, Sudan and Morocco also agreed to normalize relations with Israel, although Sudan's agreement remains unratified as of 2024.[5]

But it's not this thing either, even though it appears to be happening closer to the actual timing, because "the covenant" is something already in place. It's a previous Covenant which comes from God/Jesus that He, (Jesus), "confirms", or "strengthens".

"And I prayed to the Lord my God, and made confession, and said, “O Lord, great and awesome God, who keeps His covenant and mercy with those who love Him, and with those who keep His commandments, - Daniel 9:4​

This screenshot I post comes from the OP video makers part three, and touches base on one of the things I'm sure he gets right:

Notice at the bottom. Who strengthens the Covenant? God strengthens the Covenant.

The video should start in progress. At 1:19:39 Gabriel, who's name means in Hebrew: "God strengthens", is shown to come prior to Messiah's arrival.

And I also continue to insist the heptad of verse 9:27, is one full and complete period of seven years, but separate from the one which has already occurred with Christ's first visitation. This is very important. Because only God/Christ can put an end to all sacrifices and offerings, because they are the Ones doing them in Heaven's Temple in Revelation 8. When the censer is cast down, that's it. The last service is finally finished. This has something to do with the salvation opportunity of the people living prior to Christ's arrival. It might not always be a good thing when it ends.


With this we agree 100%. (It's fun to agree). This is one of those things I could prove in a court of law. Anyone can bring up the calendars for Israel that year and count the Passover that year. It's the only year in that vicinity which matches with the Artaxerxes Decree in 457BC. Plus, Christian Gedge and Larry Wilson, the two best Biblical Calendrical guys, both are in agreement with that date.

With this we also agree 100%.

With this we also agree 100%. I think it's going to be fast, like lightning form the east.

Peaceful Sabbath.

I think the accelerated SDG covenant is a likely candidate for the 7 year covenant with many. If the OP video is correct and 2030 is when Jesus sets up the millennial kingdom then there has to be a 7 year covenant that starts the week. The millennial kingdom will be set up in the fall. That date of September 2023 hits the nail dead on the head timewise.

I saw this on the UN website..........LEAVE NO ONE BEHIND. This was part of their statement about getting everything done by 2030. I wish I had taken a screen shot, but I didn't. It seems as if Satan might know Gods timeline.

 

[Dave Watchman]

I agree, except with where you have the completion of Daniel's seventy weeks. This is a subject that involves a lot of things, beginning with what the law says:

I'm saying it ended in 34AD, based on the Artaxerxes Decree in 457BC. Are you saying it's 33AD? It's actually 33AD. You could have saved yourself writing this whole long post Mr. Zao by just saying what you think it is? Or I could have saved it by hitting the correct key on the board. So 33/34AD is the end of the 70th week?

Whether the Jews always kept it this way or not, according to the Law the Jubilee year always began in the 49th year - on the Day of Atonement - and continued till half way through the following year, which was the first of the next cycle of 49 years:

Which I also think is irrelevant to our purposes here, whatever the Jews were doing back then. I don't think they were counting even the Passover correctly. That could be why Jesus was calling it the Passover of the Jews. They were using the Babylonian method, Jesus was using conjunction. They were having two Passovers on the same week. My money's on Jesus, since He is Lord of the Sabbath, He certainly is of the Passover too.

This was pointed out by the late Christian Gedge in his book "The Atonement Clock", which traces four cycles of 490 years, beginning with the night Jacob dreamed about the ladder between earth and heaven and ending with the date of Christ's crucifixion on April 7th, AD70 in the Gregorian calendar - which it turns out is the same day that modern astronomy traces the full moon of that year to:

I'm also not worried about the timing of Jacobs ladder. The Daniel 9 timing isn't telling us to count heptads from Jacobs ladder.

Modern astronomy also calculated the new moon, which is what we count the 14 days from, in the preceding Gregorian calendar.

and ending with the date of Christ's crucifixion on April 7th, AD70 in the Gregorian calendar - which it turns out is the same day that modern astronomy traces the full moon of that year to:

How you have this worded, it looks like you're saying "the date of Christ's crucifixion on April 7th, AD70 in the Gregorian calendar".

It's easy to hit they wrong key when you're writing a big note.

Christian Gedge's book dates the last Jubilee year to have begun in the year Jesus began His ministry, which if true means that the idea that it was AD30, is faulty.

It is faulty.

I never said Jesus began His ministry in 30AD.

I said 30AD is the year of the Crucifixion.

27AD, or 30AD, was not the last Jubilee year.

In 27AD, Jesus read from the Isaiah scroll in Luke 4:

"To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord.”​

But that wasn't the 50th Jubilee year. The "acceptable year of the Lord" was the first year, after the 69 years of Daniel 9, when Jesus officially appeared and started His Ministry. It was at that point, early in Mark, when Jesus said that the "time" is fulfilled and the kingdom of God is at hand. He was talking about the Daniel 9 time, the 69 weeks.

As for 27AD being a Jubilee year, it won't agree with the Jubilee year that began at the Artaxerxes decree in 457 BC, or the new moon Passover count in 30AD.

The Jubilee year was 34AD.

Because that year 457BC, can be backspaced to when then Jubilee calendar began, two sets of 70 weeks earlier, in 1437BC.

This might not be too easy to read, but the upper years on the tops of the big charts, are the Jubilee years.

That 33 at the bottom is the 49th year. At the top of the next chart, 34AD, is the 50th year, which also becomes year # 1 for the next Jubilee cycle.

Christian Gedge and Larry Wilson, are the two best Biblical Calendrical guys. Ever. And now they're both gone.

These charts are from Larry Wilson's work. I don't agree with everything Larry has said, but he did the best work on the calendar materials.

IMHO the whole exercise of dating the year of the return of Christ always ends up too full of holes, no matter what model or whose model is followed - because there's always information we are missing but that is pertinent to a correct dating.

One of the things I agree with Christian Gedge on is that we can't count Shmita cycles from Crucifixion week, down into our modern times right now. Nor were we ever instructed to do so.

It only tells us to count weeks from a command to restore Jerusalem. Those same weeks are happening again, based on two more modern decrees, much more recent to the ancient decrees. It looks to me like the "we" who find the correct decree, will find the finish line. (I always default to the earliest date, that way I won't be late)

Time will be the interpreter for sure.

Peaceful Sabbath.

 

[Zao is life]

How you have this worded, it looks like you're saying "the date of Christ's crucifixion on April 7th, AD70 in the Gregorian calendar".

It's easy to hit they wrong key when you're writing a big note.

Yes. Typo had me type it as April 7th, AD70 (AD70 was 40 years later). I apologize for the confusion. The rest of what I said would make it obvious that I meant AD30:

Passover always coincides with the full moon, and between A.D 26 and A.D 36 (the years during which Pontius Pilate was governor of Judea), a full moon occurred on:

April 7th, A.D 30 | 15 Nisan (biblical calendar); and on
April 3rd, A.D 33 | 14 Nisan.

Nisan 15th was the first day of Unleavened Bread in A.D 30 (7 April A.D 30).

I now realize that I was also confused when you mentioned AD33/34. You were not talking about the year of the crucifixion (which was the only purpose of the 490 year prophecy) but to the close of that final week.

Which is why we spoke past one another, and that miscommunication was made worse by my typo, though I should have noticed that the word "completed" that you used in reference to that final week was not referring to the year of Messiah strengthening a covenant and causing sacrifice and offering to cease (which the prophecy was talking about), but to the close of the week.

So you can cancel my saying I disagree with that date of 33/34 AD for the year of the close of the seventieth week.

I then explained why I believe that of the two possible dates gleaned by modern astronomy, AD30 was more likely - by looking at all the references to the Passover and the first day of Unleavened Bread in the Law and in the gospels. I don't know whether or not you found that information and those verse references in the law and in the gospels useful, but personally I believe that whatever we say must be supported in scripture.

Whether the Jews always kept it this way or not, according to the Law the Jubilee year always began in the 49th year - on the Day of Atonement - and continued till half way through the following year, which was the first of the next cycle of 49 years

Which I also think is irrelevant to our purposes here, whatever the Jews were doing back then. I don't think they were counting even the Passover correctly. That could be why Jesus was calling it the Passover of the Jews. They were using the Babylonian method, Jesus was using conjunction. They were having two Passovers on the same week. My money's on Jesus, since He is Lord of the Sabbath, He certainly is of the Passover too.

My money is on Jesus too. But the gospels do have Him telling the apostles where to prepare the Passover meal on the first Day of Unleavened Bread, which ties His crucifixion date to AD30 and not to AD 33, according to which day astronomy places the full moon.

In that case the Jews had the day on the correct day, if it was AD30. I was talking about whether or not the Jews had the year of Jubilee beginning on the Day of Atonement in the 49th year, or beginning in the year following the 49th year.[/B] But as you say, it really makes no difference to Jesus.

I'm also not worried about the timing of Jacobs ladder. The Daniel 9 timing isn't telling us to count heptads from Jacobs ladder.

I agree but because I was talking about Chris Gedge's findings, I included that he mentioned it. In fact, that's how he starts his book. He mentioned it because he believed that's when "The Atonement Clock" started.

27AD, or 30AD, was not the last Jubilee year.

In 27AD, Jesus read from the Isaiah scroll in Luke 4:

"To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord.”​

But that wasn't the 50th Jubilee year. The "acceptable year of the Lord" was the first year, after the 69 years of Daniel 9, when Jesus officially appeared and started His Ministry. It was at that point, early in Mark, when Jesus said that the "time" is fulfilled and the kingdom of God is at hand. He was talking about the Daniel 9 time, the 69 weeks.

That makes a great deal of sense to me. Thank you for mentioning it.

As for 27AD being a Jubilee year, it won't agree with the Jubilee year that began at the Artaxerxes decree in 457 BC, or the new moon Passover count in 30AD.

The Jubilee year was 34AD.

Because that year 457BC, can be backspaced to when then Jubilee calendar began, two sets of 70 weeks earlier, in 1437BC.

This might not be too easy to read, but the upper years on the tops of the big charts, are the Jubilee years.

That 33 at the bottom is the 49th year. At the top of the next chart, 34AD, is the 50th year, which also becomes year # 1 for the next Jubilee cycle.

Christian Gedge and Larry Wilson, are the two best Biblical Calendrical guys. Ever. And now they're both gone.

These charts are from Larry Wilson's work. I don't agree with everything Larry has said, but he did the best work on the calendar materials.

Thank you!

One of the things I agree with Christian Gedge on is that we can't count Shmita cycles from Crucifixion week, down into our modern times right now. Nor were we ever instructed to do so.

Okay. Fair enough. The video we are talking about seems to emphasize cycles of seven right up until the year/date they have the return of Christ, but as you say, we were not instructed to continue counting Shmita cycles (used your spelling).

It only tells us to count weeks from a command to restore Jerusalem. Those same weeks are happening again, based on two more modern decrees, much more recent to the ancient decrees. It looks to me like the "we" who find the correct decree, will find the finish line. (I always default to the earliest date, that way I won't be late)

Mmm. That's where you lose me. I see an attack on Jerusalem by the armies of all nations mentioned in prophecy, but Revelation only calls New Jerusalem "the holy city" (Revelation 21:2; Revelation 21:10; and Revelation 22:19) - not the other "cities" mentioned in the Revelation, which are:-

1. "Babylon the Great".
2. The city "spiritually called Sodom and Egypt".
3. The cities of the nations which fell when the 7th bowl of wrath was poured out.

Revelation 11:2 is talking about the holy city. The word used for the temple in those two verses is naos - a word which is not used again in reference to the sanctuary of the temple in Jerusalem following the verses talking about the tearing of the veil. (The Jerusalem temple continued to be referred to as the hierón following the death and resurrection of Christ (multiple times in Acts), but the word naos ceased being used in reference to the sanctuary in that temple after the verses talking about the tearing of the veil).

I believe that the sign Jesus gave us to watch for is the abomination of desolation in the naos - the holy place - which I believe is the man of sin in the sanctuary of God (the naos), which is the sign that the tribulation of the saints at the hand of the beast is about to take place. I do not believe that Matthew 24:15-22 refers to 70 A.D and the Jerusalem Temple, not do I believe that 2 Thessalonians 2:4 or Revelation 11:1-2 are referring to a temple in Jerusalem. I believe all three are referring to the man of sin and his actions in the body of Christ and an apostasy in the body of Christ.