Messiah 2030

[Zao is life]

I think the OP video people are right about a bunch of important things, but they are also wrong about some other very important things. One of the errors they make is how they address the 70th week, and another is how they count Jubilee cycles.

They count 2 1000 year "Days", as being 40 Jubilee cycles, or 2000 years. So he's going 40 Jubilees X 50 years = 2000 years. Only problem is they have to be counted just like in the original 70 week Prophecy where the 50th Jubilee year also became year #1 for the next Jubilee cycle. There were 3 sets of 70 weeks starting at the Exodus in 1437BC, to the end of Daniel 9's 70 weeks in 34AD.

I agree, except with where you have the completion of Daniel's seventy weeks. This is a subject that involves a lot of things, beginning with what the law says:

Whether the Jews always kept it this way or not, according to the Law the Jubilee year always began in the 49th year - on the Day of Atonement - and continued till half way through the following year, which was the first of the next cycle of 49 years:

Leviticus 25:8-10
"And thou shalt number seven sabbaths of years unto thee, seven times seven years; and the space of the seven sabbaths of years shall be unto thee forty and nine years. Then shalt thou cause the trumpet of the jubilee to sound on the tenth day of the seventh month, in the day of atonement shall ye make the trumpet sound throughout all your land. And ye shall hallow the fiftieth year, and proclaim liberty throughout all the land unto all the inhabitants thereof: it shall be a jubilee unto you; and ye shall return every man unto his possession, and ye shall return every man unto his family."

This was pointed out by the late Christian Gedge in his book "The Atonement Clock", which traces four cycles of 490 years, beginning with the night Jacob dreamed about the ladder between earth and heaven and ending with the date of Christ's crucifixion on April 7th, AD30 in the Gregorian calendar - which it turns out is the same day that modern astronomy traces the full moon of that year to:

Passover always coincides with the full moon, and between A.D 26 and A.D 36 (the years during which Pontius Pilate was governor of Judea), a full moon occurred on:

April 7th, A.D 30 | 15 Nisan (biblical calendar); and on
April 3rd, A.D 33 | 14 Nisan.

Nisan 15th was the first day of Unleavened Bread in A.D 30 (7 April A.D 30). Why is this important? It's important because of what is said both in the law and in the gospels:

Exodus 12:5-6 says,
"Your lamb must be perfect, a male, one year old; you may take it from the sheep or from the goats. You must care for it until the fourteenth day of this month, and then the whole community of Israel will kill it around sundown."

In Israel the next date begins at sundown, or immediately after sunset.

Leviticus 23:4-7 says,
"'These are the LORD's appointed times, holy assemblies, which you must proclaim at their appointed time. In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month, at twilight, is a Passover offering to the LORD. Then on the fifteenth day of the same month will be the festival of unleavened bread to the LORD; seven days you must eat unleavened bread. On the first day there will be a holy assembly for you; you must not do any regular work."

Mark 14:12-13 tells us,
"And the first day of Unleavened Bread, when they killed the passover, His disciples said to Him, Where do You desire that we go and prepare that You may eat the passover? And He sent out two of His disciples and said to them, Go into the city, and there you shall meet a man bearing a pitcher of water. Follow him."

Matthew 26:17 tells us,
"And on the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, the disciples came to Jesus, saying to Him, Where do You desire that we prepare for You to eat the Passover?"

The first day of Unleavened Bread is the 15th of Nisan (always). The Passover meal is eaten on the 15th of Nisan, after nightfall of the 14th, when it is slaughtered.

Luke 22:7-9 says,
"And the day of the Unleavened Bread came, when the Passover must be killed. He sent Peter and John, saying, Go and prepare the Passover for us, so that we may eat. 9 And they said to Him. Where do You desire that we prepare?"

Luke 22:1-2 says,
"And the Feast of Unleavened Bread, which is called the Passover, drew near. And the chief priests and scribes sought how they might kill Him."

John's gospel throws us off a little from the above, because John records,

John 19:14
"And it was the preparation of the passover, and about the sixth hour: and he saith unto the Jews, Behold your King!"

John 18:28
"Then led they Jesus from Caiaphas unto the hall of judgment: and it was early; and they themselves went not into the judgment hall, lest they should be defiled; but that they might eat the passover."

John 18:29-30 & 38-40:
"Then Pilate went out to them and said, What charge do you bring against this man? They answered and said to him, If he were not an evildoer, then we would not have delivered him up to you."

John 19:30-31
"When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost. The Jews therefore, because it was the preparation, that the bodies should not remain upon the cross on the sabbath day, (for that sabbath day was an high day,) besought Pilate that their legs might be broken, and that they might be taken away."

John's gospel seems to imply that it was on the 14th of Nisan, because the first day of unleavened bread was a sabbath day - but if we follow what is said in the Law, and in Matthew, Mark, and Luke, and also by John where John 18:28 tells us that Jesus "was led from Caiaphas unto the hall of judgment: and it was early",

then we can only understand this to mean that Jesus was crucified on the 15th day of Nisan, the first day of unleavened bread, which was a sabbath day, and the reason why the Jews wanted the bodies to be taken off the cross, was because they WERE on the cross on the sabbath day. It was already too late for the Jews to attempt to ensure that the Romans did not crucify anyone on the sabbath day, so they besought Pilate to have the bodies taken down.

It's very involved, but both Christian Gedge's tracing of the schmita cycles in the scriptures and the four 490-years cycles beginning with the date of Jacob's ladder and ending with the date of the crucifixion, just happens to agree with modern astronomy's date of the first day of unleavened bread of 7 April, AD30 - 40 years before AD70.

Christian Gedge's book dates the last Jubilee year to have begun in the year Jesus began His ministry, which if true means that the idea that it was AD30, is faulty.

But if counted from AD30 (as the people in the OP video do), 40 Jubilee cycles from AD30 is 40 x 49 = 1,960 years - but if you add the 40 years between AD30 and AD70 during which the Jews were wandering in unbelief (Hebrews 3:9 & 17), then it brings you back to the year 2030 - though the Jews were not wandering in a literal wilderness in unbelief between AD30 and AD70, but they had the gospel being preached to them but lacked faith in the Word of God (Romans 9:32) .

IMHO the whole exercise of dating the year of the return of Christ always ends up too full of holes, no matter what model or whose model is followed - because there's always information we are missing but that is pertinent to a correct dating.

* As a disclaimer on his behalf I believe I should mention that the late Christian Gedge did NOT believe that the schimita cycles and counting continued beyond the crucifixion of Christ - he believed that the whole purpose for the biblical calendar and the cycles was what he called "The Atonement Clock" - which is the title of his book. He had a ministry called "Five loaves and two fishes" in New Zealand (in case the anyone wants to try and find the book and it may no longer be available anywhere). I did not know Chris Gedge - I'm just saying what I did know about him.

 

[Dave Watchman]

So it appears and yet many are not watching.

I know it. It's because things are not happening like how they were expecting, things are not happening like the prophecy expositors told them it would be happening. They're watching and looking for things like specific Two Witnesses, and an Antichrist putting an image of himself up in a rebuilt temple and claiming to be God.

The prophetic time periods seem to be suggesting things like these have just been happening in other ways, and we have been in a sort of tribulation of the Matrix where people have been walking around like things are normal. The 5 months of Revelation 9 slipped by in the spring of 2022, and people were out going about their everyday business not recognizing it.

I am saying that if 2030 is correct we would count back 7 years for a 7 year covenant with many which would be the fall of 2023. Interestingly enough, the is a 7 year covenant with many that was signed by the UN in September of 2023. This covenant is unconfirmed by the Antichrist at this time.

Ok, I just did a hard search on it. This is going to be an important area where I'm not going to enjoy saying I do not agree 100% with. This is not what it is. It is interesting. Because everything happening in our recent times IS interesting. But this is not what it is for multiple reasons.

My Brave Browser's Ai says this:

UN 7-Year Covenant​

The United Nations (UN) called for a "7 Years of Accelerated, Transformative Action to Achieve SDGs" in September 2023, emphasizing the need for a global rescue plan to address pressing challenges and accelerate progress toward the Sustainable Development Goals (SDGs) by 2030.
This initiative was highlighted during the SDG Summit, which took place from 18-19 September 2023 at the UN Headquarters in New York.
The summit marked the halfway point to the 2030 Agenda and aimed to reignite global commitment to transformative actions.

During the summit, world leaders adopted a sweeping Political Declaration to reaffirm their shared commitment to the SDGs, emphasizing the need for bold decisions, resource reallocation, and the mobilization of a wide range of actors to advance disruptive change.
The declaration was seen as a critical step in ensuring that the SDGs remain on track despite ongoing global crises, including armed conflict, climate change, and the lingering effects of the COVID-19 pandemic.

While the term "covenant" is not explicitly used in the context of the UN's 2023 actions, the call for a seven-year plan and the adoption of the Political Declaration reflect a collective commitment to accelerate progress toward the SDGs, which can be interpreted as a form of global agreement or covenant.
The UN Secretary-General, António Guterres, emphasized the importance of this moment, stating that the SDGs need a global rescue plan to ensure the well-being of people and the planet.

AI-generated answer. Please verify critical facts.

And then there's the Abraham Accords

The Abraham Accords are a set of agreements that established diplomatic normalization between Israel and several Arab states, beginning with the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain.[1][2] Announced in August and September 2020 and signed in Washington, D.C. on September 15, 2020, the accords were mediated by the United States under President Donald Trump.[3] The UAE and Bahrain became the first Arab countries to formally recognize Israel since Jordan in 1994.[4] In the months that followed, Sudan and Morocco also agreed to normalize relations with Israel, although Sudan's agreement remains unratified as of 2024.[5]

But it's not this thing either, even though it appears to be happening closer to the actual timing, because "the covenant" is something already in place. It's a previous Covenant which comes from God/Jesus that He, (Jesus), "confirms", or "strengthens".

"And I prayed to the Lord my God, and made confession, and said, “O Lord, great and awesome God, who keeps His covenant and mercy with those who love Him, and with those who keep His commandments, - Daniel 9:4​

This screenshot I post comes from the OP video makers part three, and touches base on one of the things I'm sure he gets right:

Notice at the bottom. Who strengthens the Covenant? God strengthens the Covenant.

The video should start in progress. At 1:19:39 Gabriel, who's name means in Hebrew: "God strengthens", is shown to come prior to Messiah's arrival.

And I also continue to insist the heptad of verse 9:27, is one full and complete period of seven years, but separate from the one which has already occurred with Christ's first visitation. This is very important. Because only God/Christ can put an end to all sacrifices and offerings, because they are the Ones doing them in Heaven's Temple in Revelation 8. When the censer is cast down, that's it. The last service is finally finished. This has something to do with the salvation opportunity of the people living prior to Christ's arrival. It might not always be a good thing when it ends.

True. But Jesus died in 30AD which is the anchor point.

With this we agree 100%. (It's fun to agree). This is one of those things I could prove in a court of law. Anyone can bring up the calendars for Israel that year and count the Passover that year. It's the only year in that vicinity which matches with the Artaxerxes Decree in 457BC. Plus, Christian Gedge and Larry Wilson, the two best Biblical Calendrical guys, both are in agreement with that date.

All eyes will see the coming of the Lord but the Lord will not set His feet on the earth. All go to heaven for the marriage supper of the Lamb.

With this we also agree 100%.

That said it looks as if the rapture of the Church is imminent.

With this we also agree 100%. I think it's going to be fast, like lightning form the east.

Peaceful Sabbath.

 

[The Light]

I know it. It's because things are not happening like how they were expecting, things are not happening like the prophecy expositors told them it would be happening. They're watching and looking for things like specific Two Witnesses, and an Antichrist putting an image of himself up in a rebuilt temple and claiming to be God.

Ain't that the truth.

The prophetic time periods seem to be suggesting things like these have just been happening in other ways, and we have been in a sort of tribulation of the Matrix where people have been walking around like things are normal. The 5 months of Revelation 9 slipped by in the spring of 2022, and people were out going about their everyday business not recognizing it.

I do not agree with this. None of the 7 seals are opened. Those 5 months of Revelation 9 cannot happen until the wrath of God begins which is the 7th seal. The tribulation has not even begun yet.

Ok, I just did a hard search on it. This is going to be an important area where I'm not going to enjoy saying I do not agree 100% with. This is not what it is. It is interesting. Because everything happening in our recent times IS interesting. But this is not what it is for multiple reasons.

My Brave Browser's Ai says this:

UN 7-Year Covenant​

The United Nations (UN) called for a "7 Years of Accelerated, Transformative Action to Achieve SDGs" in September 2023, emphasizing the need for a global rescue plan to address pressing challenges and accelerate progress toward the Sustainable Development Goals (SDGs) by 2030.
This initiative was highlighted during the SDG Summit, which took place from 18-19 September 2023 at the UN Headquarters in New York.
The summit marked the halfway point to the 2030 Agenda and aimed to reignite global commitment to transformative actions.

During the summit, world leaders adopted a sweeping Political Declaration to reaffirm their shared commitment to the SDGs, emphasizing the need for bold decisions, resource reallocation, and the mobilization of a wide range of actors to advance disruptive change.
The declaration was seen as a critical step in ensuring that the SDGs remain on track despite ongoing global crises, including armed conflict, climate change, and the lingering effects of the COVID-19 pandemic.

While the term "covenant" is not explicitly used in the context of the UN's 2023 actions, the call for a seven-year plan and the adoption of the Political Declaration reflect a collective commitment to accelerate progress toward the SDGs, which can be interpreted as a form of global agreement or covenant.
The UN Secretary-General, António Guterres, emphasized the importance of this moment, stating that the SDGs need a global rescue plan to ensure the well-being of people and the planet.

AI-generated answer. Please verify critical facts.

And then there's the Abraham Accords

The Abraham Accords are a set of agreements that established diplomatic normalization between Israel and several Arab states, beginning with the United Arab Emirates and Bahrain.[1][2] Announced in August and September 2020 and signed in Washington, D.C. on September 15, 2020, the accords were mediated by the United States under President Donald Trump.[3] The UAE and Bahrain became the first Arab countries to formally recognize Israel since Jordan in 1994.[4] In the months that followed, Sudan and Morocco also agreed to normalize relations with Israel, although Sudan's agreement remains unratified as of 2024.[5]

But it's not this thing either, even though it appears to be happening closer to the actual timing, because "the covenant" is something already in place. It's a previous Covenant which comes from God/Jesus that He, (Jesus), "confirms", or "strengthens".

"And I prayed to the Lord my God, and made confession, and said, “O Lord, great and awesome God, who keeps His covenant and mercy with those who love Him, and with those who keep His commandments, - Daniel 9:4​

This screenshot I post comes from the OP video makers part three, and touches base on one of the things I'm sure he gets right:

Notice at the bottom. Who strengthens the Covenant? God strengthens the Covenant.

The video should start in progress. At 1:19:39 Gabriel, who's name means in Hebrew: "God strengthens", is shown to come prior to Messiah's arrival.

And I also continue to insist the heptad of verse 9:27, is one full and complete period of seven years, but separate from the one which has already occurred with Christ's first visitation. This is very important. Because only God/Christ can put an end to all sacrifices and offerings, because they are the Ones doing them in Heaven's Temple in Revelation 8. When the censer is cast down, that's it. The last service is finally finished. This has something to do with the salvation opportunity of the people living prior to Christ's arrival. It might not always be a good thing when it ends.


With this we agree 100%. (It's fun to agree). This is one of those things I could prove in a court of law. Anyone can bring up the calendars for Israel that year and count the Passover that year. It's the only year in that vicinity which matches with the Artaxerxes Decree in 457BC. Plus, Christian Gedge and Larry Wilson, the two best Biblical Calendrical guys, both are in agreement with that date.

With this we also agree 100%.

With this we also agree 100%. I think it's going to be fast, like lightning form the east.

Peaceful Sabbath.

I think the accelerated SDG covenant is a likely candidate for the 7 year covenant with many. If the OP video is correct and 2030 is when Jesus sets up the millennial kingdom then there has to be a 7 year covenant that starts the week. The millennial kingdom will be set up in the fall. That date of September 2023 hits the nail dead on the head timewise.

I saw this on the UN website..........LEAVE NO ONE BEHIND. This was part of their statement about getting everything done by 2030. I wish I had taken a screen shot, but I didn't. It seems as if Satan might know Gods timeline.

 

[Dave Watchman]

I agree, except with where you have the completion of Daniel's seventy weeks. This is a subject that involves a lot of things, beginning with what the law says:

I'm saying it ended in 34AD, based on the Artaxerxes Decree in 457BC. Are you saying it's 33AD? It's actually 33AD. You could have saved yourself writing this whole long post Mr. Zao by just saying what you think it is? Or I could have saved it by hitting the correct key on the board. So 33/34AD is the end of the 70th week?

Whether the Jews always kept it this way or not, according to the Law the Jubilee year always began in the 49th year - on the Day of Atonement - and continued till half way through the following year, which was the first of the next cycle of 49 years:

Which I also think is irrelevant to our purposes here, whatever the Jews were doing back then. I don't think they were counting even the Passover correctly. That could be why Jesus was calling it the Passover of the Jews. They were using the Babylonian method, Jesus was using conjunction. They were having two Passovers on the same week. My money's on Jesus, since He is Lord of the Sabbath, He certainly is of the Passover too.

This was pointed out by the late Christian Gedge in his book "The Atonement Clock", which traces four cycles of 490 years, beginning with the night Jacob dreamed about the ladder between earth and heaven and ending with the date of Christ's crucifixion on April 7th, AD70 in the Gregorian calendar - which it turns out is the same day that modern astronomy traces the full moon of that year to:

I'm also not worried about the timing of Jacobs ladder. The Daniel 9 timing isn't telling us to count heptads from Jacobs ladder.

Modern astronomy also calculated the new moon, which is what we count the 14 days from, in the preceding Gregorian calendar.

and ending with the date of Christ's crucifixion on April 7th, AD70 in the Gregorian calendar - which it turns out is the same day that modern astronomy traces the full moon of that year to:

How you have this worded, it looks like you're saying "the date of Christ's crucifixion on April 7th, AD70 in the Gregorian calendar".

It's easy to hit they wrong key when you're writing a big note.

Christian Gedge's book dates the last Jubilee year to have begun in the year Jesus began His ministry, which if true means that the idea that it was AD30, is faulty.

It is faulty.

I never said Jesus began His ministry in 30AD.

I said 30AD is the year of the Crucifixion.

27AD, or 30AD, was not the last Jubilee year.

In 27AD, Jesus read from the Isaiah scroll in Luke 4:

"To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord.”​

But that wasn't the 50th Jubilee year. The "acceptable year of the Lord" was the first year, after the 69 years of Daniel 9, when Jesus officially appeared and started His Ministry. It was at that point, early in Mark, when Jesus said that the "time" is fulfilled and the kingdom of God is at hand. He was talking about the Daniel 9 time, the 69 weeks.

As for 27AD being a Jubilee year, it won't agree with the Jubilee year that began at the Artaxerxes decree in 457 BC, or the new moon Passover count in 30AD.

The Jubilee year was 34AD.

Because that year 457BC, can be backspaced to when then Jubilee calendar began, two sets of 70 weeks earlier, in 1437BC.

This might not be too easy to read, but the upper years on the tops of the big charts, are the Jubilee years.

That 33 at the bottom is the 49th year. At the top of the next chart, 34AD, is the 50th year, which also becomes year # 1 for the next Jubilee cycle.

Christian Gedge and Larry Wilson, are the two best Biblical Calendrical guys. Ever. And now they're both gone.

These charts are from Larry Wilson's work. I don't agree with everything Larry has said, but he did the best work on the calendar materials.

IMHO the whole exercise of dating the year of the return of Christ always ends up too full of holes, no matter what model or whose model is followed - because there's always information we are missing but that is pertinent to a correct dating.

One of the things I agree with Christian Gedge on is that we can't count Shmita cycles from Crucifixion week, down into our modern times right now. Nor were we ever instructed to do so.

It only tells us to count weeks from a command to restore Jerusalem. Those same weeks are happening again, based on two more modern decrees, much more recent to the ancient decrees. It looks to me like the "we" who find the correct decree, will find the finish line. (I always default to the earliest date, that way I won't be late)

Time will be the interpreter for sure.

Peaceful Sabbath.

 

[Zao is life]

How you have this worded, it looks like you're saying "the date of Christ's crucifixion on April 7th, AD70 in the Gregorian calendar".

It's easy to hit they wrong key when you're writing a big note.

Yes. Typo had me type it as April 7th, AD70 (AD70 was 40 years later). I apologize for the confusion. The rest of what I said would make it obvious that I meant AD30:

Passover always coincides with the full moon, and between A.D 26 and A.D 36 (the years during which Pontius Pilate was governor of Judea), a full moon occurred on:

April 7th, A.D 30 | 15 Nisan (biblical calendar); and on
April 3rd, A.D 33 | 14 Nisan.

Nisan 15th was the first day of Unleavened Bread in A.D 30 (7 April A.D 30).

I now realize that I was also confused when you mentioned AD33/34. You were not talking about the year of the crucifixion (which was the only purpose of the 490 year prophecy) but to the close of that final week.

Which is why we spoke past one another, and that miscommunication was made worse by my typo, though I should have noticed that the word "completed" that you used in reference to that final week was not referring to the year of Messiah strengthening a covenant and causing sacrifice and offering to cease (which the prophecy was talking about), but to the close of the week.

So you can cancel my saying I disagree with that date of 33/34 AD for the year of the close of the seventieth week.

I then explained why I believe that of the two possible dates gleaned by modern astronomy, AD30 was more likely - by looking at all the references to the Passover and the first day of Unleavened Bread in the Law and in the gospels. I don't know whether or not you found that information and those verse references in the law and in the gospels useful, but personally I believe that whatever we say must be supported in scripture.

Whether the Jews always kept it this way or not, according to the Law the Jubilee year always began in the 49th year - on the Day of Atonement - and continued till half way through the following year, which was the first of the next cycle of 49 years

Which I also think is irrelevant to our purposes here, whatever the Jews were doing back then. I don't think they were counting even the Passover correctly. That could be why Jesus was calling it the Passover of the Jews. They were using the Babylonian method, Jesus was using conjunction. They were having two Passovers on the same week. My money's on Jesus, since He is Lord of the Sabbath, He certainly is of the Passover too.

My money is on Jesus too. But the gospels do have Him telling the apostles where to prepare the Passover meal on the first Day of Unleavened Bread, which ties His crucifixion date to AD30 and not to AD 33, according to which day astronomy places the full moon.

In that case the Jews had the day on the correct day, if it was AD30. I was talking about whether or not the Jews had the year of Jubilee beginning on the Day of Atonement in the 49th year, or beginning in the year following the 49th year. But as you say, it really makes no difference to Jesus.

I'm also not worried about the timing of Jacobs ladder. The Daniel 9 timing isn't telling us to count heptads from Jacobs ladder.

I agree but because I was talking about Chris Gedge's findings, I included that he mentioned it. In fact, that's how he starts his book. He mentioned it because he believed that's when "The Atonement Clock" started.

27AD, or 30AD, was not the last Jubilee year.

In 27AD, Jesus read from the Isaiah scroll in Luke 4:

"To proclaim the acceptable year of the Lord.”​

But that wasn't the 50th Jubilee year. The "acceptable year of the Lord" was the first year, after the 69 years of Daniel 9, when Jesus officially appeared and started His Ministry. It was at that point, early in Mark, when Jesus said that the "time" is fulfilled and the kingdom of God is at hand. He was talking about the Daniel 9 time, the 69 weeks.

That makes a great deal of sense to me. Thank you for mentioning it.

As for 27AD being a Jubilee year, it won't agree with the Jubilee year that began at the Artaxerxes decree in 457 BC, or the new moon Passover count in 30AD.

The Jubilee year was 34AD.

Because that year 457BC, can be backspaced to when then Jubilee calendar began, two sets of 70 weeks earlier, in 1437BC.

This might not be too easy to read, but the upper years on the tops of the big charts, are the Jubilee years.

That 33 at the bottom is the 49th year. At the top of the next chart, 34AD, is the 50th year, which also becomes year # 1 for the next Jubilee cycle.

Christian Gedge and Larry Wilson, are the two best Biblical Calendrical guys. Ever. And now they're both gone.

These charts are from Larry Wilson's work. I don't agree with everything Larry has said, but he did the best work on the calendar materials.

Thank you!

One of the things I agree with Christian Gedge on is that we can't count Shmita cycles from Crucifixion week, down into our modern times right now. Nor were we ever instructed to do so.

Okay. Fair enough. The video we are talking about seems to emphasize cycles of seven right up until the year/date they have the return of Christ, but as you say, we were not instructed to continue counting Shmita cycles (used your spelling).

It only tells us to count weeks from a command to restore Jerusalem. Those same weeks are happening again, based on two more modern decrees, much more recent to the ancient decrees. It looks to me like the "we" who find the correct decree, will find the finish line. (I always default to the earliest date, that way I won't be late)

Mmm. That's where you lose me. I see an attack on Jerusalem by the armies of all nations mentioned in prophecy, but Revelation only calls New Jerusalem "the holy city" (Revelation 21:2; Revelation 21:10; and Revelation 22:19) - not the other "cities" mentioned in the Revelation, which are:-

1. "Babylon the Great".
2. The city "spiritually called Sodom and Egypt".
3. The cities of the nations which fell when the 7th bowl of wrath was poured out.

Revelation 11:2 is talking about the holy city. The word used for the temple in those two verses is naos - a word which is not used again in reference to the sanctuary of the temple in Jerusalem following the verses talking about the tearing of the veil. (The Jerusalem temple continued to be referred to as the hierón following the death and resurrection of Christ (multiple times in Acts), but the word naos ceased being used in reference to the sanctuary in that temple after the verses talking about the tearing of the veil).

I believe that the sign Jesus gave us to watch for is the abomination of desolation in the naos - the holy place - which I believe is the man of sin in the sanctuary of God (the naos), which is the sign that the tribulation of the saints at the hand of the beast is about to take place. I do not believe that Matthew 24:15-22 refers to 70 A.D and the Jerusalem Temple, nor do I believe that 2 Thessalonians 2:4 or Revelation 11:1-2 are referring to a temple in Jerusalem. I believe all three are referring to the man of sin and his actions in the body of Christ and an apostasy in the body of Christ.

 

[Dave Watchman]

Okay. Fair enough. The video we are talking about seems to emphasize cycles of seven right up until the year/date they have the return of Christ, but as you say, we were not instructed to continue counting Shmita cycles (used your spelling).

I just sounded it out. I'm not a speller. I'm lost without the spellchecker. And it doesn't know Shmita.

Mmm. That's where you lose me. I see an attack on Jerusalem by the armies of all nations mentioned in prophecy, but Revelation only calls New Jerusalem "the holy city" (Revelation 21:2; Revelation 21:10; and Revelation 22:19) - not the other "cities" mentioned in the Revelation, which are:-

I'm still going on about Daniel 9's Jerusalem. Not the actual City itself, just the command, or the decree to restore it. Those same counts of weeks appear to be happening again. The 7 and the 62 weeks. It's what Isaac Newton was talking about in his Daniel 9 commentary. The reason why he thought the weeks were split up is because they could be applicable to, not only the first visitation of Messiah, but to His second coming as well.

There's other people looking at it. Like the Widener guy from the video I posted. He's using 1537. There's also 1536, and I'm stuck on 1535. I got stuck on this note. A new idea came to me while I was writing it. I'm the last guy standing with 1535, because 1535 means it must be happening now. This year. Or our Master is delayed.

I stick to my knitting because of 1969. There were two decrees that mesh with the 7 and 62. Because Daniel already split up the 7 and 62 weeks, they can be used separately, or in another case, interchangeably. What differentiates verse 26 from verse 27, is that verse 26 happened after the 62 in the first century.

In the end times, verse 27 comes after the 7 weeks, with the 62 weeks preceding it. Verse 27 is one full period of seven years, separate from the week of verse 26. During the 70th week of verse 26 in the first century, Jesus was not here for a full seven. Only half a week, plus 40 days.

So 1535 Ottoman decree + 62 weeks (434 years) = 1969.

1969 Levi Eshkol decree + 7 weeks (49 years) = 2018.

2018 + 70th week = 2025.

Somewhere in there we might have switched from the Julian to the Gregorian and so from an April to a January New Years. Or the last 7 weeks might have had it's own special 50th Jubilee year. That idea just now came into my head. Something Newton said. But whatever it is, I think we're actually closer, or just past the point, than we think we are. No man can know the day or the hour.

EDIT There's something new with this that's just bugging me now. Something Newton had said about the compass of a Jubilee. As these weeks are appearing here now, the 7 and the 62 are reversed, as a mirror image of the original count. So not only is verse 26 singled out as specifically occurring after the 62 weeks, verse 27 is a week that happens after the end time 7, or after the 49 years. Newton thought the 7 weeks would be specific to the second coming. He couldn't know that the 7 and 62 would happen again, but in the mirror image of the time frames.

"This part of the Prophecy being therefore not yet fulfilled, I shall not attempt a particular interpretation of it, but content myself with observing, that as the seventy and the sixty two weeks were Jewish weeks, ending with sabbatical years; so the seven weeks are the compass of a Jubilee, and begin and end with actions proper for a Jubilee, and of the highest nature for which a Jubilee can be kept: and that since the commandment to return and to build Jerusalem, precedes the Messiah the Prince 49 years; it may perhaps come forth not from the Jews themselves, but from some other kingdom friendly to them, - Isaac Newton.​

Since the end time command to restore Jerusalem, precedes the Messiah the Prince 49 years. Does that mean there's a special 50th year?

Can this mean there's an extra year? The compass of a Jubilee?

The note is in progress.

Spoiler

It's like witnessing the Hand of God working in real time.

This is the detail.

It's not the recapture of Jerusalem in 1967.

It's the going forth of the COMMAND to restore Jerusalem.

It's the main reason why I'm so sure about what I'm saying.

The two most recent decrees match with the 7 and 62 Fingerprint.

These events are not replaceable in time.

This is the manifestation of what Isaac Newton had suggested regarding a bifurcated timeline in Daniel 9, which would address not only the first visitation of Yeshua, but foretell His second coming as well.

Isaac Newton knew about 1535. So he would have been watching for 1969, and then the completion of 2018, "the compass of a Jubilee", and the start of the final heptad.

But what he wrote regarding that "three kings" convoluted timeline culminating in 2060, violated what he also wrote in his Daniel 9 commentary. So I know 2060 was a smokescreen, a ruse still functioning today.

Long story short, the 1535 decree dovetails with the 1969 decree.

Impossible for it to be random chance.

The Knesset debated the document in 1968.

It went live in January 1969.

"The incorporation of the Company for Development of the Jewish Quarter of the Old City (September 1968). This is the organization which rebuilt the Jewish Quarter of the Old City, and turned it from a pile of rubble into a modern residential neighbourhood in one of the worlds' oldest cities, even while preserving the immense archaeological site it is built on, and serving millions of tourists annually.

"This amounted to what would be a public works project. Why would the office of the Prime Minster be concerned of such a thing. Levi Eshkol was certain to have known about the Suleiman decree of 1535, the walls from that command are still standing today, and so Levi would also have known that his decree was happening at exactly 62 weeks (434 years) latter.

"The second thing we're gong to do is point out that we found the document in a file from the office of Prime Minster Levi Eshkol, and it was sent to him after a discussion in the Cabinet subcommittee for economic affairs - which indicates that the whole issue was being closely watched by the very top of the government. Most companies don't have the prime minister poking around in their papers.

Incorporation Papers of the Jewish Quarter Company

Today's document is a dreary legal affair: the incorporation of the Company for Development of the Jewish Quarter of the Old City (Septembe...

israelsdocuments.blogspot.com

“Know therefore and understand, That from the going forth of the command To restore and build Jerusalem Until Messiah the Prince, There shall be seven weeks ...​

תזכיר התאגדות החברה לפיתוח הרובע_1968.pdf

docs.google.com

And in January 1969 the company was established:

Newton knew about these walls commanded to be rebuilt in 1535.

The stones built here based on the Ottoman decree in 1535, are still standing today.

The cries from these stones are reaching their crescendo now.

Peaceful Sabbath.

And it's why, in a nutshell, I think the second coming is coming before 2030.

Peaceful Sabbath.

 

[Zao is life]

I just sounded it out. I'm not a speller. I'm lost without the spellchecker. And it doesn't know Shmita.

I'm still going on about Daniel 9's Jerusalem. Not the actual City itself, just the command, or the decree to restore it. Those same counts of weeks appear to be happening again. The 7 and the 62 weeks. It's what Isaac Newton was talking about in his Daniel 9 commentary. The reason why he thought the weeks were split up is because they could be applicable to, not only the first visitation of Messiah, but to His second coming as well.

There's other people looking at it. Like the Widener guy from the video I posted. He's using 1537. There's also 1536, and I'm stuck on 1535. I got stuck on this note. A new idea came to me while I was writing it. I'm the last guy standing with 1535, because 1535 means it must be happening now. This year. Or our Master is delayed.

I stick to my knitting because of 1969. There were two decrees that mesh with the 7 and 62. Because Daniel already split up the 7 and 62 weeks, they can be used separately, or in another case, interchangeably. What differentiates verse 26 from verse 27, is that verse 26 happened after the 62 in the first century.

In the end times, verse 27 comes after the 7 weeks, with the 62 weeks preceding it. Verse 27 is one full period of seven years, separate from the week of verse 26. During the 70th week of verse 26 in the first century, Jesus was not here for a full seven. Only half a week, plus 40 days.

So 1535 Ottoman decree + 62 weeks (434 years) = 1969.

1969 Levi Eshkol decree + 7 weeks (49 years) = 2018.

2018 + 70th week = 2025.

Somewhere in there we might have switched from the Julian to the Gregorian and so from an April to a January New Years. Or the last 7 weeks might have had it's own special 50th Jubilee year. That idea just now came into my head. Something Newton said. But whatever it is, I think we're actually closer, or just past the point, than we think we are. No man can know the day or the hour.

EDIT There's something new with this that's just bugging me now. Something Newton had said about the compass of a Jubilee. As these weeks are appearing here now, the 7 and the 62 are reversed, as a mirror image of the original count. So not only is verse 26 singled out as specifically occurring after the 62 weeks, verse 27 is a week that happens after the end time 7, or after the 49 years. Newton thought the 7 weeks would be specific to the second coming. He couldn't know that the 7 and 62 would happen again, but in the mirror image of the time frames.

"This part of the Prophecy being therefore not yet fulfilled, I shall not attempt a particular interpretation of it, but content myself with observing, that as the seventy and the sixty two weeks were Jewish weeks, ending with sabbatical years; so the seven weeks are the compass of a Jubilee, and begin and end with actions proper for a Jubilee, and of the highest nature for which a Jubilee can be kept: and that since the commandment to return and to build Jerusalem, precedes the Messiah the Prince 49 years; it may perhaps come forth not from the Jews themselves, but from some other kingdom friendly to them, - Isaac Newton.​

Since the end time command to restore Jerusalem, precedes the Messiah the Prince 49 years. Does that mean there's a special 50th year?

Can this mean there's an extra year? The compass of a Jubilee?

The note is in progress.

Spoiler

It's like witnessing the Hand of God working in real time.

This is the detail.

It's not the recapture of Jerusalem in 1967.

It's the going forth of the COMMAND to restore Jerusalem.

It's the main reason why I'm so sure about what I'm saying.

The two most recent decrees match with the 7 and 62 Fingerprint.

These events are not replaceable in time.

This is the manifestation of what Isaac Newton had suggested regarding a bifurcated timeline in Daniel 9, which would address not only the first visitation of Yeshua, but foretell His second coming as well.

Isaac Newton knew about 1535. So he would have been watching for 1969, and then the completion of 2018, "the compass of a Jubilee", and the start of the final heptad.

But what he wrote regarding that "three kings" convoluted timeline culminating in 2060, violated what he also wrote in his Daniel 9 commentary. So I know 2060 was a smokescreen, a ruse still functioning today.

Long story short, the 1535 decree dovetails with the 1969 decree.

Impossible for it to be random chance.

The Knesset debated the document in 1968.

It went live in January 1969.

"The incorporation of the Company for Development of the Jewish Quarter of the Old City (September 1968). This is the organization which rebuilt the Jewish Quarter of the Old City, and turned it from a pile of rubble into a modern residential neighbourhood in one of the worlds' oldest cities, even while preserving the immense archaeological site it is built on, and serving millions of tourists annually.

"This amounted to what would be a public works project. Why would the office of the Prime Minster be concerned of such a thing. Levi Eshkol was certain to have known about the Suleiman decree of 1535, the walls from that command are still standing today, and so Levi would also have known that his decree was happening at exactly 62 weeks (434 years) latter.

"The second thing we're gong to do is point out that we found the document in a file from the office of Prime Minster Levi Eshkol, and it was sent to him after a discussion in the Cabinet subcommittee for economic affairs - which indicates that the whole issue was being closely watched by the very top of the government. Most companies don't have the prime minister poking around in their papers.

Incorporation Papers of the Jewish Quarter Company

Today's document is a dreary legal affair: the incorporation of the Company for Development of the Jewish Quarter of the Old City (Septembe...

israelsdocuments.blogspot.com

“Know therefore and understand, That from the going forth of the command To restore and build Jerusalem Until Messiah the Prince, There shall be seven weeks ...​

תזכיר התאגדות החברה לפיתוח הרובע_1968.pdf

docs.google.com

And in January 1969 the company was established:

Newton knew about these walls commanded to be rebuilt in 1535.

The stones built here based on the Ottoman decree in 1535, are still standing today.

The cries from these stones are reaching their crescendo now.

Peaceful Sabbath.

And it's why, in a nutshell, I think the second coming is coming before 2030.

Peaceful Sabbath.

Okay I don't believe that there was or ever will be a repeat either of the decree to restore Jerusalem or of the cutting off of the Messiah in the midst of the 70th week that the prophecy was pointing to, which IMO is the only thing the seventy weeks prophecy was pointing to, so I'll leave this discussion at this point, because we are clearly not going to agree on much else except what we already have agreed on.

When Daniel uttered the seventy week prophecy, Jerusalem and the temple were lying in ruins. He prophesied that the city and temple would be rebuilt before the Messiah came, and both would be destroyed again after the Messiah came. Which is what happened. There is no indication to anything beyond that which is implied in the seventy weeks prophecy in Daniel, IMO. So I'm not going to be on the same page with yourself or anyone else with what you mention in the above post.

 

[Dave Watchman]

When Daniel uttered the seventy week prophecy, Jerusalem and the temple were lying in ruins. He prophesied that the city and temple would be rebuilt before the Messiah came,

Which sounds not too bad. It's not a bad understanding. So there's no need for you to reply to my note. I'm only responding for anyone else who may be following along.

Because one of the things, if I read the Script as a lawyer would, the 7 and 62 week countdown begins from the going forth of a decree to restore Jerusalem. Not of a decree to restore any temple. The temple isn't even in the decree, but the countdown is still occurring. No temple was built from the issuance of this 1535 decree:

But the "walls" remain to our very day.

"The street shall be built again, and the wall,​

Even in troublesome times.​

Walls of Jerusalem - Wikipedia

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In other materials, the Jewish writers were saying Mashiach would come in the year after the Sabbatical year. Or I would compare that with the completion of the "week" we are in based on the Eshkol decree in January 1969, or in January 2025/2026.

Whenever I review the materials, it's Levi Eshkol I wonder about. What was he doing in 1968? He had the writeup for the decree in late summer 1968, but he sat on it. He didn't action the document until January 1969. Then he died of a heart attack in February.

Even the legal forum where the link originated from said something about it being odd that the paperwork made it to the President's Office, as these types of public works orders never made it that high. And here is where the only reason is that I wondered if I could be wrong. Levi Eshkol. After the 6 day war in the spring of 1968, the State of Israel expropriated the Jewish Quarter in the Old City of Jerusalem. The Knesset debated the specifics of creating a company for the rebuilding and restoration of the Jewish Quarter of the Old City of Jerusalem. Then the paperwork was sent to the President to be signed.

Levi knew all the important history and regulations required to be a Jew. Before he became President, he was on the panel that would decide who could come back to Israel and be a Jew. So he must have known all the important dates of when Jerusalem was built, commanded to be rebuilt, and all the dates of when it was destroyed. He certainly would have known of the Ottoman command to rebuild the walls of Jerusalem in 1535. He would have certainly known that if he had waited a bit and actioned the paperwork in 1969, his decree would be exactly 62 weeks, 434 years, after the Sulieman command in 1535. But he signed it and the company went live in January 1969, Levi died the next month. So I don't think he was a practical joker.

The Year of the Lord's Favor

I have a new view of this 1535 situation as of this week. As usual I still think it's in progress, and it's all happening now and we're in the "year" that we've been waiting for. I had thought of this situation prior, even a few years ago. I was showing the date to date calculator and how the 1290 day Abomination terminated in January 2019. Why January 2019?, when the terminus for the 69 weeks of the decree in 1535 would be in January 2018? It's because of what Isaac Newton said about it being: "the compass of a Jubilee."

I was talking about it on another forum when the ideas really all came to me all at once.

Another guy wrote a reply where he didn't like it. Didn't believe it. And didn't want to talk about it anymore. It's very hard to explain in a forum post, it's probably a good thing I never got into doing videos. Lol. We were talking about what Jesus was saying when He read from the Isaiah Scroll at the beginning of the first set of 70 weeks in 27AD. The "year" of the Lord's Favor. Many scholars think that meant that it was a Jubilee Year. I can show that it was not a Jubilee year, but instead the first year of the final 7 of the seventy week interval.

1535 Ottoman decree + 62 weeks (434 years) = 1969.

1969 Levi Eshkol decree + 7 weeks (49 years) = 2018.

2018 + 70th week ending = 2025.

Then Newton's words came back to me, "the compass of a Jubilee". Then another person's words came back to me from a forum that went out of business, or who's post was removed, where he noted that the 7 and the 62 week intervals have been reversed in our end times, and are a reverse "mirror image of the originals." This shifts the 7 weeks of 49 years to have a termination just prior, to what should have been, or is, the beginning of the final 7, or the 70th week. In a way they were sort of right on that old forum when they said that the decree was on April 1st, as the change in New Years Day from January to April came with the Julian/Gregorian shift in times and seasons.

1967 or 1969 marks the decree to rebuild?"

In Daniel 9:26, that verse distinguishes itself from our end time 7 weeks of 49 years, as occurring "after 62 weeks". If any of this is correct, one of those 2 lower verses in Daniel 9 has to be speaking specifically to our end time 70th week now. This may be just one of the reasons the time frames are a mirror image of the originals. And it also may be one of the reasons the two intervals, 7 and 62, are stated individually. They can be used separately, or interchangeably.

The other reason is that Christ's Second Coming itself will be very reversed in it's specifications compared to His original Visitation. He isn't suffering or going to be cut off this time at the end of our 69 weeks. It's still 69 weeks, but the intervals have been switched for a couple of purposes. Some people are about to be on the run, calling out to the mountains and rocks, asking them to fall on them and hide them from He who sits on the throne, and from the Wrath of the Lamb.

Quick snip from Isaac Newton's note:

"This part of the Prophecy being therefore not yet fulfilled, I shall not attempt a particular interpretation of it, but content myself with observing, that as the seventy and the sixty two weeks were Jewish weeks, ending with sabbatical years; so the seven weeks are the compass of a Jubilee, and begin and end with actions proper for a Jubilee, and of the highest nature for which a Jubilee can be kept: and that since the commandment to return and to build Jerusalem, precedes the Messiah the Prince 49 years; it may perhaps come forth not from the Jews themselves, but from some other kingdom friendly to them, - Isaac Newton.

Newton thought the 7 weeks of 49 years was specific to the Second Coming. If this is correct, then January 2018 became the 50th year, after the completion of the 49 years since the Levi Eshkol decree that we discovered here in the thread "why did the great sign appear when it did." Why did the Great Sign appear when it did? | UNSEALED DISCUSSION BOARD

What's even harder to explain is that in 27AD, when Jesus read from the Isaiah Scroll in Luke 4 at the beginning of the original 70th week, it was not a Jubilee Year. The Jubilee Year would have been in 34 AD, the first year after the 70 weeks had been completed. So can Jesus' reading in the Temple in the first year of His Ministry also serve as a specific template for our end time 70th week. I say yes. Some have said when Jesus read from the Isaiah Scroll that He WAS the Jubilee, arriving to release the captives of sin. He has sent me to proclaim liberty to the captives of sin, but the Old Time Jews remained blind. They did not redeem their 70 weeks. So I think this verse will be fully fulfilled again in our times.

Our next Jubilee Year will be in 2043. And there's excellent argument for the Jubilee Calendar ending in 1994, at the end of seven sets of 70 weeks since the Exodus, when Comet Shoemaker-Levy 9 hit Jupiter. So I know that 2018 was not a Jubilee Year which has a connection with the original Jubilee Calendar which began with Moses. But a 50th year occurs after the 49th, can that then be a Special Jubilee, the compass of a Jubilee? This "year" of the Lord's Favor would also align with the 1290 day Abomination terminating with the "darkened sun" of January 2019.

1535 Ottoman decree + 62 weeks (434 years) = 1969.

1969 Levi Eshkol decree + 7 weeks (49 years) = 2018.

2018 Special Jubilee 1 year pause.

2019 + 70th week ending = 2026.

There's other reasons why it has to be happening now. The 5 months of Revelation 9, I'm sure, just happened with the Monkey Pox in the spring of 2022. Can't get into that right now. But I'm sure of it. It was like a switch was turned on and off, just for five literal months. Worldwide. There's more empirical than i can post. Fall appointed feasts and the rapture | UNSEALED DISCUSSION BOARD

Looks like they want to call it M-Pox now.

2022–2023 mpox outbreak - Wikipedia

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2022:

But after this, I'm out of bullets.

So steady as she goes, this bullet is already half over.

Peaceful Sabbath.

 

[Zao is life]

Which sounds not too bad. It's not a bad understanding. So there's no need for you to reply to my note. I'm only responding for anyone else who may be following along. Because one of the things, if I read the Script as a lawyer would, the 7 and 62 week countdown begins from the going forth of a decree to restore Jerusalem. Not of a decree to restore any temple. The temple isn't even in the decree, but the countdown is still occurring. No temple was built from the issuance of this 1535 decree:

There's no monologue in a discussion forum, and a discussion forum and discussion boards such as these is not about having "only those who are following along" with your eschatology responding to your posts,

and using (misusing) a Christian discussion forum as a media to propagate your own views based on your own private interpretations of Daniel, and your own eschatology based on your own interpretations, and then "passively" insisting that only those who are "following along" should respond to your posts (meaning your own views may not be challenged), is an illegitimate use of these boards.

Now, your eschatology surrounding the temple and the date of the issuing of the decree mentioned by Daniel in Daniel 9:24-25 is 100% false and non-biblical (and this is a discussion board, so though you choose to issue passively delivered demands that only those who follow along with your views should respond to you, your wishes are not granted).

Note that Daniel 9:26 stated that both the city and the sanctuary would be destroyed again, which implies that both would have been rebuilt before the Messiah came. Joshua and Zerubbabel were the two men who were involved in the building of the temple that was built following the decree that Daniel was talking about in Daniel 9:25,

and both Joshua and Zerubabbel, who were involved in the reconstruction of that temple - which began soon after the start of the first seven of the 70 weeks when the city began to be rebuilt - are given by God in Zechariah chapter 3 to be a sign that God was going to bring forth the Messiah (THE BRANCH),

and Zechariah Chapter 4 continues to link the reconstruction of the temple mentioned in Daniel 9:24-26, to the coming of Messiah and to the New Testament Temple in Messiah that would come.

Your apparent rejection of a B.C.E date of the decree to restore and rebuild Jerusalem as automatically being a decree to restore the temple that was an integral part of it - and all this before the Messiah came - is 100% false and based entirely upon your own private interpretation of the scriptures.

Therefore the theory you have built on top of that (which you have shown in the rest of your post which I had to shorten to remain within the character limit for this post) is likewise 100% false and a matter of human imagination adding untrue things to the GAP left by your rejection of what the scriptures say in favor of your own private interpretation of the scriptures.