Millennialism proven by that man of sin

[WPM]

Thought so. Refusal the Lord's earthly reign also refuses all the prophecies of His earthly reign, which are very specific, so that if they are not fulfilled specifically, they become false prophecies made by Scripture.

Stop avoiding. Where in Revelation 20 does it show Jesus on earth? It seems like your teachers have misled you.

 

[WPM]

I don't know the number of them left or the smitten nations, but the process of elimination is first all them killed during the great tribulation of God's wrath on earth, and then all them of the nations gathered to make war with Him, and finally all them judged as goats and executed.

All that remains with be the natural good and neighborly sheep.

I've already given the Scriptures.

Stop adding onto Scripture. The flesh of all men rich and poor free and bond are destroyed in Revelation 19. This forbids your claims.

 

[WPM]

No.

Shut up is shut up.

Too much symbolizing makes all reading of Scripture sloppy.

Taking Scripture literally, includes taking the meaning of the words plainly.

You refuse to take Scripture literal. So don't lecture Amils. Proof of this is your rejection of the literal comprehensive destruction in 2 Peter 3 and Revelation 19.

 

[WPM]

When you get it right, try again.

Satan cannot be shut up today, because he still tempts to do evil, falsely accuses the brethren, deceives with false doctrine, and must be resisted not to do evil. He is still the prince and power of the air, and god of this world.

There will still be those doing evil in the earthly reign of Christ, when they do not go up the feast of tabernacles, and the Lord must withhold rain from them.

You don't have to agree with someone to at least get their teaching accurate.

You avoided all the questions that expose your reasoning. You have to. You have no corroboration to support your private interpretation of Revelation 20.

 

[robert derrick]

You refuse to take Scripture literal. So don't lecture Amils. Proof of this is your rejection of the literal comprehensive destruction in 2 Peter 3 and Revelation 19.

2 Peter 3 is not Rev 19, but is Rev 20:7-9, after Christ's reign on earth.

 

[robert derrick]

Stop avoiding. Where in Revelation 20 does it show Jesus on earth? It seems like your teachers have misled you.

Where in Isaiah 53, does it show Jesus Christ coming in the flesh on earth? Being crucified on a cross? Being betrayed by His own apostle?

Your effort to make Rev 20 the only legitimate Scripture for proving His reign on earth, is false.

 

[robert derrick]

Stop adding onto Scripture. The flesh of all men rich and poor free and bond are destroyed in Revelation 19. This forbids your claims.

And so you add and say.

All those at Armageddon will have their flesh eaten by all fowls gathered from all the earth, to that one place to do so.

And so you also take away from Scripture, them remaining of the smitten nations will be ruled by Him.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

One proof that the resurrection of Rev 20 cannot be today, is because Satan is not yet shut up from tempting man to sin on earth.

Another proof, is how that Wicked man of sin is destroyed on earth.

For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming.

Teaching the resurrection of Rev 20, as only being spiritually ongoing today on earth, says that the bodily resurrection of the saints from the earth, is to make way for the final destruction of that man of sin, his armies, and the earth itself.

And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

They say that the fire coming down from God, to destroy Gog and Magog and to melt the earth, is actually the coming of Jesus Christ down to earth from the air, to destroy the armies with the beast at Armageddon, as well as all flesh on earth.

Only a fanatic symbolizer, that turns anything in Scripture into symbology, that they don't want to agree with literally, would ever think to turn Jesus Christ and His coming again to earth, as nothing but symbology for the fire of God coming down to earth.

Or, vica versa, to make the fire of God coming down to earth, to symbolize Jesus Christ's return to earth a second time.

That is what must happen, just to reject Jesus' earthly reign with His resurrected saints.

Satan is not only shut up from tempting man to sin on earth today, which defies all Scripture of the gospel telling us to resist the devil and overcome his temptations, even as Jesus did, But Jesus Christ and His armies in Rev 19, is either made the fire of God, or is nothing but a symbol thereof.

Amillennialists don't believe that Satan's binding has anything to do with Satan being "shut up from tempting man to sin on earth today", so you are arguing with a straw man here. That is a complete waste of time. Learn what we actually believe first and then you can talk.

This is how far off such things get, from the true doctrine of Christ written plainly in Scripture, when we must make clear to the world, that Jesus Christ is not the fire of God, and that His coming again to the earth, is not the fire coming down that destroys all flesh and melts the earth.

We don't say that Jesus Himself is the fire that comes down to burn up the earth. Don't be ridiculous. But, Peter clearly taught that the heavens and earth will be burned up when Jesus returns in 2 Peter 3:10-13. That's why he said we should be looking forward to the new heavens and new earth in fulfillment of the promise of His second coming because the heavens and earth as we know them will be burned up at that time.

God is a Spirit, and so an all consuming spiritual fire, but neither He nor Jesus Christ is natural fire that burns flesh and the earth.

Who is saying that? You waste so much time arguing against things that no one even believes.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Where in Isaiah 53, does it show Jesus Christ coming in the flesh on earth? Being crucified on a cross? Being betrayed by His own apostle?

Your effort n onto make Rev 20 the only legitimate Scripture for proving His reign on earth, is false.

Okay, what other scripture do you have then?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

And so you add and say.

All those at Armageddon will have their flesh eaten by all fowls gathered from all the earth, to that one place to do so.

And so you also take away from Scripture, them remaining of the smitten nations will be ruled by Him.

He did not add that! Did you not bother even reading the text?

Revelation 19:17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun, who cried in a loud voice to all the birds flying in midair, “Come, gather together for the great supper of God, 18 so that you may eat the flesh of kings, generals, and the mighty, of horses and their riders, and the flesh of all people, free and slave, great and small.”

It's right there in the text. It indicates that He will destroy "all people, free and slave, great and small". With the obvious understanding that it's only talking about unbelievers there. It's shameful for you to lie and say that he added that text when that is clearly not the case.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Symbols used in an even do not make the event symbolic.

What do you mean by this exactly? We all understand that real events are sometimes described with symbols. If that's what you're saying then...yeah, no kidding. Or are you saying something else?

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

That Wicked man of sin is destroyed by the brightness of the Lord's coming from the air.

Not by fire from God in heaven.

What do you mean exactly here? If the destruction is not by fire, then what will cause it instead?

The Lord will come quickly and brightly to destroy the armies at Armageddon as lightning shining.

Once He comes it will happen as fast as a lightning flash (Matt 24:27). But, how will He destroy His enemies? If not with fire then with what?

 

[Truth7t7]

When you get it right, try again.

Satan cannot be shut up today, because he still tempts to do evil, falsely accuses the brethren, deceives with false doctrine, and must be resisted not to do evil. He is still the prince and power of the air, and god of this world.

There will still be those doing evil in the earthly reign of Christ, when they do not go up the feast of tabernacles, and the Lord must withhold rain from them.

You don't have to agree with someone to at least get their teaching accurate.

Satan is "Currently" bound from "One Specific Purpose", And One Only?

"Deceive The Nations" To Battle

The Non-Literal 1,000 Years (Revelation) 20:1-6 Are Taking Place Now In The Lords Spiritual, And Will Cease At The Future Second Coming

If A Tribulation Saint Were To Die One Day Before The Second Coming, He Enters Into The Non-Literal 1,000 Year Reign

Many That Promote Millennialism Falsely Teach, Satan Cant Be Presently Bound Because Evil Exist In The World?

Satan Is Presently Bound As Is Clearly Seen In (Revelation) 20:7-8 Below That Interprets (Deceive The Nations) Is To Battle, Not General Evil In The World Presently.

Satan Is Loosed At The End Of The Tribulation When The 6th Vial Is Poured Out As Seen In (Revelation) 16:12, The Deception Is Devils In False Miracles Going Forth To The Kings Of The Earth, To Gather Them To The Final Battle

(Revelation) 20:1-9KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

(Revelation) 16:12-14 & (Revelation) 20:7-8 Same Deception In Gathering The Nations To The Very Same Final Battle In "Parallel" Teachings Of The Same Event

(Revelation) 16:12-17KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

 

[Truth7t7]

Please do not anyone on this board about their comments when your are full of ad hominem and avoidance.

Every thread you commence is based upon a fallacy of your own imagination.

More like he creates new threads on the same subject, because he's backed into a corner of non-response on the others, smiles!

 

[robert derrick]

Amillennialists don't believe that Satan's binding has anything to do with Satan being "shut up from tempting man to sin on earth today", so you are arguing with a straw man here. That is a complete waste of time. Learn what we actually believe first and then you can talk.

I'm not writing what I believe for your sake.

All I look for from you, is something new from your teaching to respond to.

We don't say that Jesus Himself is the fire that comes down to burn up the earth. Don't be ridiculous.

You say the day of His second coming is the day of fire from God.

Since the only thing coming down in that day of curning, is fire from God, then you make Jesus Christ that fire from God coming down to melt the earth.

The day of the Lord in prophecy of OT and NT is three events: First Jesus Christ coming in the flesh, Second is Jesus Christ coming with power, and thirdly with fire of God coming down.

Simple.

If you say there is only one event of the day of the Lord, then you at least reject Peter in Acts 2, confirming the day of the Lord prophesied by Joel, is Jesus Christ first coming in the flesh.

Since there are two events of the day of the Lord, then there can also be three.

Who is saying that? You waste so much time arguing against things that no one even believes.

Since only the fire of God is mentioned in the day of the Lord by Peter and Rev 20, then saying that is Jesus' second coming, is saying He must be that fire coming down from God.

In that great and final day of the Lord, there will only be fire from God out of heaven, to burn up all elements of the old heavens and earth.

The Lord will not be in the air of the earth with His saints watching it. The Lord and His saints will be in heaven, awaiting the resurrection of the rest of the dead.

 

[robert derrick]

Okay, what other scripture do you have then?

Already given. The Lord will roar out of Zion. He will stand on Mt Olivet. Them left of the nations will keep the feast of tabernacles daily.

There are plenty others, but since you reject these as symbolic fable only, or leap to the new earth, then you do the same with all.

I.e. your effort to confine all prophecy of His earthly reign to Rev 20, is ignorance of how God reveals the fullness of that same event from many Scriptures.

And since you nullify those Scriptures to teach your own doctrine, then there is no point in quoting them to you.

 

[Serzxvr]

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[robert derrick]

It's right there in the text. It indicates that He will destroy "all people, free and slave, great and small".

Gathered at Armageddon without mercy nor quarter given.

With the obvious understanding that it's only talking about unbelievers there.

Which you add to teach your own opinion.

I have no such understanding, as many others do not.

You don't stick to only what is written, but obviously add your own opinion.

If your not making it all symbolic fable anyway.

Such as the fowls eating their flesh, and not being cooked with frie from God out of heaven.

 

[robert derrick]

What do you mean by this exactly? We all understand that real events are sometimes described with symbols. If that's what you're saying then...yeah, no kidding. Or are you saying something else?

You got it. And there are times when you make real events only symbolic fable, in order to teaching your own doctrine.

One of your fellow teachers mocked the idea of the Lord slaughtering them at Armageddon, with a sword sticking out of His mouth.

This shows how symbolic tools used in a real event, are falsely used to discredit the event itself.

 

[robert derrick]

What do you mean exactly here? If the destruction is not by fire, then what will cause it instead?

The brightness of His coming as the shining of lightning.

And he had in his right hand seven stars: and out of his mouth went a sharp twoedged sword: and his countenance was as the sun shineth in his strength.

The brightness of His coming was seen by John, and he was not burned by it, but it will burn them that hate Him.

The brightness of His coming is not the fire of God come down from heaven, to burn and melt all elements of the old heaven and earth.

Once He comes it will happen as fast as a lightning flash (Matt 24:27). But, how will He destroy His enemies? If not with fire then with what?

No flash, but shine:

For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven, shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in his day.

Every eye will have plenty of time to see Him coming again upon the earth, and He will be brightly shining as He goes.

Only when we are receiving our teaching of Scripture, from the literal words of Scripture written, will we have the true doctrine of Scripture.

Otherwise, we read Scripture sloppily, in order to read our own teaching into it.

The speed of His coming is as an unexpected suddenness of a flood in a day, and the brightness of His coming is as lightning shine, not lightning fast.

The destruction of His coming is not complete as the flood of Noah, nor is it fire from God out of heaven.

His appearing will be unexpected as a thief in the night, and will be birghtly shining over from east to west.

He will destroy the armies at Armageddon with His brightness, but give grace to the land and Jerusalem by that same brightness.

He will then stand upon Olivet, then sit upon His glorious throne in Jerusalem, then roar out of Zion, then judge the people left alive as sheep to enter into His reign on earth, and execute the goats to join the armies in hell.

Simple.