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One proof that the resurrection of Rev 20 cannot be today, is because Satan is not yet shut up from tempting man to sin on earth.

Another proof, is how that Wicked man of sin is destroyed on earth.

For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming.

Teaching the resurrection of Rev 20, as only being spiritually ongoing today on earth, says that the bodily resurrection of the saints from the earth, is to make way for the final destruction of that man of sin, his armies, and the earth itself.

And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

They say that the fire coming down from God, to destroy Gog and Magog and to melt the earth, is actually the coming of Jesus Christ down to earth from the air, to destroy the armies with the beast at Armageddon, as well as all flesh on earth.

Only a fanatic symbolizer, that turns anything in Scripture into symbology, that they don't want to agree with literally, would ever think to turn Jesus Christ and His coming again to earth, as nothing but symbology for the fire of God coming down to earth.

Or, vica versa, to make the fire of God coming down to earth, to symbolize Jesus Christ's return to earth a second time.

That is what must happen, just to reject Jesus' earthly reign with His resurrected saints.

Satan is not only shut up from tempting man to sin on earth today, which defies all Scripture of the gospel telling us to resist the devil and overcome his temptations, even as Jesus did, But Jesus Christ and His armies in Rev 19, is either made the fire of God, or is nothing but a symbol thereof.

This is how far off such things get, from the true doctrine of Christ written plainly in Scripture, when we must make clear to the world, that Jesus Christ is not the fire of God, and that His coming again to the earth, is not the fire coming down that destroys all flesh and melts the earth.

God is a Spirit, and so an all consuming spiritual fire, but neither He nor Jesus Christ is natural fire that burns flesh and the earth.
 

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One proof that the resurrection of Rev 20 cannot be today, is because Satan is not yet shut up from tempting man to sin on earth.

Another proof, is how that Wicked man of sin is destroyed on earth.

For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming.


Teaching the resurrection of Rev 20, as only being spiritually ongoing today on earth, says that the bodily resurrection of the saints from the earth, is to make way for the final destruction of that man of sin, his armies, and the earth itself.

And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

They say that the fire coming down from God, to destroy Gog and Magog and to melt the earth, is actually the coming of Jesus Christ down to earth from the air, to destroy the armies with the beast at Armageddon, as well as all flesh on earth.

Only a fanatic symbolizer, that turns anything in Scripture into symbology, that they don't want to agree with literally, would ever think to turn Jesus Christ and His coming again to earth, as nothing but symbology for the fire of God coming down to earth.

Or, vica versa, to make the fire of God coming down to earth, to symbolize Jesus Christ's return to earth a second time.

That is what must happen, just to reject Jesus' earthly reign with His resurrected saints.

Satan is not only shut up from tempting man to sin on earth today, which defies all Scripture of the gospel telling us to resist the devil and overcome his temptations, even as Jesus did, But Jesus Christ and His armies in Rev 19, is either made the fire of God, or is nothing but a symbol thereof.

This is how far off such things get, from the true doctrine of Christ written plainly in Scripture, when we must make clear to the world, that Jesus Christ is not the fire of God, and that His coming again to the earth, is not the fire coming down that destroys all flesh and melts the earth.

God is a Spirit, and so an all consuming spiritual fire, but neither He nor Jesus Christ is natural fire that burns flesh and the earth.

These verses align with Satan's little season. It is becoming clear, you not only have an ignorance of the symbolic emphasis of Revelation, but you also have no understanding of Amil. I would suggest you take a month out to study Amil before trying to refute it. This should could out the continuous misunderstandings.

Do you believe Satan and his minions are physical beings?
Is the dragon in Revelation 20:2 a literal physical dragon?
Is the serpent in Revelation 20:2 a literal physical serpent?
Is the key mentioned in Revelation 20:1 a literal metal door key?
Is the chain mentioned in Revelation 20:1 a literal metal chain?
Is the prison mentioned in Revelation 20:7 a literal brick prison?
Do you believe demons need to be detained in a literal physical prison with literal metal chains in order to be restrained?
Does imprisonment mean immobility?
Does it mean a prisoner cannot do harm?
Can a dog on a chain walk or roam about?
Can a prisoner in a prison walk or roam about?
Does a prisoner have the ability to kill, steal, destroy, rape and embezzle in prison?
Do you believe Satan has 7 literal heads and 7 literal necks (Revelation 12:3)?
Do you believe Satan has 10 literal horns poking out of his 7 literal heads (Revelation 12:3)?
 
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One proof that the resurrection of Rev 20 cannot be today, is because Satan is not yet shut up from tempting man to sin on earth.

Another proof, is how that Wicked man of sin is destroyed on earth.

For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming.


Teaching the resurrection of Rev 20, as only being spiritually ongoing today on earth, says that the bodily resurrection of the saints from the earth, is to make way for the final destruction of that man of sin, his armies, and the earth itself.

And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

They say that the fire coming down from God, to destroy Gog and Magog and to melt the earth, is actually the coming of Jesus Christ down to earth from the air, to destroy the armies with the beast at Armageddon, as well as all flesh on earth.

Only a fanatic symbolizer, that turns anything in Scripture into symbology, that they don't want to agree with literally, would ever think to turn Jesus Christ and His coming again to earth, as nothing but symbology for the fire of God coming down to earth.

Or, vica versa, to make the fire of God coming down to earth, to symbolize Jesus Christ's return to earth a second time.

That is what must happen, just to reject Jesus' earthly reign with His resurrected saints.

Satan is not only shut up from tempting man to sin on earth today, which defies all Scripture of the gospel telling us to resist the devil and overcome his temptations, even as Jesus did, But Jesus Christ and His armies in Rev 19, is either made the fire of God, or is nothing but a symbol thereof.

This is how far off such things get, from the true doctrine of Christ written plainly in Scripture, when we must make clear to the world, that Jesus Christ is not the fire of God, and that His coming again to the earth, is not the fire coming down that destroys all flesh and melts the earth.

God is a Spirit, and so an all consuming spiritual fire, but neither He nor Jesus Christ is natural fire that burns flesh and the earth.
Satan gets a little season to wreak havoc on the Church. When Satan is released for a little season then so is the beast, and Satan's minions. We see the devils in Revelation 9:2-3, the beast in 2 Thessalonians 2:3-12, Revelation 11:7 and Revelation 17:8, and Satan in Revelation 9:10-11 and Revelation 20:3 all being released before the second coming for a little season.
 

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That Wicked man of sin is destroyed by the brightness of the Lord's coming from the air.

Not by fire from God in heaven.

The Lord will come quickly and brightly to destroy the armies at Armageddon as lightning shining.

The Lord is not the fire of God, nor is He lightning.

The second coming of our Lord Jesus Christ is not to burn up all flesh and the earth itself, with Himself as fire and lightning.
 

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The day of the Lord's second coming is not the fire of God coming to consume all flesh and the earth with fire, since at His second coming, He will meet with all His resurrected saints in the air.

No one will be in the air, when the earth is melted with fervent heat, especially not the Lord meeting with His newly resurrected saints.

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

The Lord and His saints will not be watching from the air, any fire from God burning all the earth, because the stars also will melt with fervent heat, as well as the earth.

On the day of the Lord's burning of the earth from heaven, neither Lord, nor His resurrected saints, nor any angel will be in the air nor anywhere in this world.

Therefore, the day of the Lord's after His earthly reign, cannot be the day of the Lord's second coming to recieve meet with his church into the air with clouds.
 

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One proof that the resurrection of Rev 20 cannot be today, is because Satan is not yet shut up from tempting man to sin on earth.

Another proof, is how that Wicked man of sin is destroyed on earth.

For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming.


Teaching the resurrection of Rev 20, as only being spiritually ongoing today on earth, says that the bodily resurrection of the saints from the earth, is to make way for the final destruction of that man of sin, his armies, and the earth itself.

And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

They say that the fire coming down from God, to destroy Gog and Magog and to melt the earth, is actually the coming of Jesus Christ down to earth from the air, to destroy the armies with the beast at Armageddon, as well as all flesh on earth.

Only a fanatic symbolizer, that turns anything in Scripture into symbology, that they don't want to agree with literally, would ever think to turn Jesus Christ and His coming again to earth, as nothing but symbology for the fire of God coming down to earth.

Or, vica versa, to make the fire of God coming down to earth, to symbolize Jesus Christ's return to earth a second time.

That is what must happen, just to reject Jesus' earthly reign with His resurrected saints.

Satan is not only shut up from tempting man to sin on earth today, which defies all Scripture of the gospel telling us to resist the devil and overcome his temptations, even as Jesus did, But Jesus Christ and His armies in Rev 19, is either made the fire of God, or is nothing but a symbol thereof.

This is how far off such things get, from the true doctrine of Christ written plainly in Scripture, when we must make clear to the world, that Jesus Christ is not the fire of God, and that His coming again to the earth, is not the fire coming down that destroys all flesh and melts the earth.

God is a Spirit, and so an all consuming spiritual fire, but neither He nor Jesus Christ is natural fire that burns flesh and the earth.
Your post are some of the most ridiculous post I have ever read. They are full accusations that just aren’t true and the fact is that you have no idea what we think and then assume things and claim that they are facts of what we believe when that are not.

What you claim about my beliefs is untrue and unwarranted slander and is false and a lie. You claim these things about me without even asking what I believe. You then go onto not even replying to my rebuttals and then go on and print more false accusations which is not Christian behaviour or even good debating.
 
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Your post are some of the most ridiculous post I have ever read. They are full accusations that just aren’t true and the fact is that you have no idea what we think and then assume things and claim that they are facts of what we believe when that are not.

What you claim about my beliefs is untrue and unwarranted slander and is false and a lie. You claim these things about me without even asking what I believe. You then go onto not even replying to my rebuttals and then go on and print more false accusations which is not Christian behaviour or even good debating.
Since I don't know who you are nor am referring to anything you have said, that I know of, then your anger and hostility toward me personally is curious.

Try to keep it professional, and comment about anything actually said, whether you agree with it or not. I only refer to the more outlandish versions of certain teachings, which not all that believe them generally will agree with.

Those who say the Lord's second coming to earth is as the fire of God to burn all flesh and melt the earth and heaves, are wrong.

Simple. If you agree, then just say so,a nd distance yourself from it, and offer a better understanding of your teaching instead.
 

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These verses align with Satan's little season. It is becoming clear, you not only have an ignoran e of the symbolic emphasis of Revelation, but you also have no understanding of Amil. I would suggest you take a month out to study Amil before trying to refutute it. This should could out the continuous misunderstandings.

Do you believe Satan and his minions are physical beings?
Is the dragon in Revelation 20:2 a literal physical dragon?
Is the serpent in Revelation 20:2 a literal physical serpent?
Is the key mentioned in Revelation 20:1 a literal metal door key?
Is the chain mentioned in Revelation 20:1 a literal metal chain?
Is the prison mentioned in Revelation 20:7 a literal brick prison?
Do you believe demons need to be detained in a literal physical prison with literal metal chains in order to be restrained?
Can a dog on a chain walk or roam about?
Can a prisoner in a prison walk or roam about?
Does a prisoner have the ability to kill, steal, destroy, rape and embezzle in prison?
Do you believe Satan has 7 literal heads and 7 literal necks (Revelation 12:3)?
Do you believe Satan has 10 literal horns poking out of his 7 literal heads (Revelation 12:3)?


Since your not being literally serious, then you get no serious answer.

Does imprisonment mean immobility?
Does it mean a prisoner cannot do harm?
In hell and the bottomless pit, yes. I see Scripture showing how the flames of hell are the chains of darkness, holding the angels and men that sin unto death in place, unto the day of judgment.

Nor do I believe those flames are hot with light as in the natural world, but are tormenting to them held back from God, His Light and Life forever. The spirits in such prison are condemned to know what it is to be separate and alone from their Creator. The torment of knowing that is far worse than any hot fire on flesh.

They cannot do others any more hamr, nor can they bring anymore grief to the Spirit of grace.
 

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These verses align with Satan's little season. It is becoming clear, you not only have an ignoran e of the symbolic emphasis of Revelation, but you also have no understanding of Amil. I would suggest you take a month out to study Amil before trying to refutute it. This should could out the continuous misunderstandings.

Do you believe Satan and his minions are physical beings?
Is the dragon in Revelation 20:2 a literal physical dragon?
Is the serpent in Revelation 20:2 a literal physical serpent?
Is the key mentioned in Revelation 20:1 a literal metal door key?
Is the chain mentioned in Revelation 20:1 a literal metal chain?
Is the prison mentioned in Revelation 20:7 a literal brick prison?
Do you believe demons need to be detained in a literal physical prison with literal metal chains in order to be restrained?
Does imprisonment mean immobility?
Does it mean a prisoner cannot do harm?
Can a dog on a chain walk or roam about?
Can a prisoner in a prison walk or roam about?
Does a prisoner have the ability to kill, steal, destroy, rape and embezzle in prison?
Do you believe Satan has 7 literal heads and 7 literal necks (Revelation 12:3)?
Do you believe Satan has 10 literal horns poking out of his 7 literal heads (Revelation 12:3)?
Now you.

With the Lord's second coming to earth:

Will the Lord roar out of Zion?
Will there be bells of holiness to the Lord in Jerusalem?
Will Jesus stand on Mt Olivet and split it into a valley?
Will there be living waters out of Jerusalem to purify the two seas, and deep enough for swimming?
Will He pour out the Spirit of grace upon Jerusalem?
Will swords be turned into ploughshares?
Will the lion lay down the the lamb?
Will the Lord enter His temple on earth with His glory?
Will the Lord fly over Bozrah to bring repentance to Edom?
Will the Lord be king over all the earth, and only He will be named as Lord?
Will there be a plin from Reba to Rimmon, with a mesa from Benjamin's gate to the first and corner gate, and no more destruction there?
Will the feast of tabernacles be celebrated with the King in Jerusalem?
Will the Lord cause warfare to cease from all nations on earth?

There are many other good promises of prophecy with the Lord's return, but these are good for now.

Do you say none of these prophecies will be fulfilled on earth as written, or are only symbols, which is the same thing?
 

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One proof that the resurrection of Rev 20 cannot be today, is because Satan is not yet shut up from tempting man to sin on earth.
Satan is "Currently" bound from "One Specific Purpose", And One Only?

"Deceive The Nations" To Battle

The Non-Literal 1,000 Years (Revelation) 20:1-6 Are Taking Place Now In The Lords Spiritual, And Will Cease At The Future Second Coming

If A Tribulation Saint Were To Die One Day Before The Second Coming, He Enters Into The Non-Literal 1,000 Year Reign

Many That Promote Millennialism Falsely Teach, Satan Cant Be Presently Bound Because Evil Exist In The World?

Satan Is Presently Bound As Is Clearly Seen In (Revelation) 20:7-8 Below That Interprets (Deceive The Nations) Is To Battle, Not General Evil In The World Presently.

Satan Is Loosed At The End Of The Tribulation When The 6th Vial Is Poured Out As Seen In (Revelation) 16:12, The Deception Is Devils In False Miracles Going Forth To The Kings Of The Earth, To Gather Them To The Final Battle

(Revelation) 20:1-9KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations
which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

(Revelation) 16:12-14 & (Revelation) 20:7-8 Same Deception In Gathering The Nations To The Very Same Final Battle In "Parallel" Teachings Of The Same Event

(Revelation) 16:12-17KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.
 

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Since your not being literally serious, then you get no serious answer.


In hell and the bottomless pit, yes. I see Scripture showing how the flames of hell are the chains of darkness, holding the angels and men that sin unto death in place, unto the day of judgment.

Nor do I believe those flames are hot with light as in the natural world, but are tormenting to them held back from God, His Light and Life forever. The spirits in such prison are condemned to know what it is to be separate and alone from their Creator. The torment of knowing that is far worse than any hot fire on flesh.

They cannot do others any more hamr, nor can they bring anymore grief to the Spirit of grace.

Avoidance is your MO. You have to as the Amil posts expose what you promote. They prove the symbolic nature of the depiction in Revelation 20.
 
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Now you.

With the Lord's second coming to earth:

Will the Lord roar out of Zion?
Will there be bells of holiness to the Lord in Jerusalem?
Will Jesus stand on Mt Olivet and split it into a valley?
Will there be living waters out of Jerusalem to purify the two seas, and deep enough for swimming?
Will He pour out the Spirit of grace upon Jerusalem?
Will swords be turned into ploughshares?
Will the lion lay down the the lamb?
Will the Lord enter His temple on earth with His glory?
Will the Lord fly over Bozrah to bring repentance to Edom?
Will the Lord be king over all the earth, and only He will be named as Lord?
Will there be a plin from Reba to Rimmon, with a mesa from Benjamin's gate to the first and corner gate, and no more destruction there?
Will the feast of tabernacles be celebrated with the King in Jerusalem?
Will the Lord cause warfare to cease from all nations on earth?

There are many other good promises of prophecy with the Lord's return, but these are good for now.

Do you say none of these prophecies will be fulfilled on earth as written, or are only symbols, which is the same thing?

Why would I (or any Amil) address any of your queries when you avoid numerous questions and multiple posts that expose Premil? That is blatant hypocrisy.
 
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Since I don't know who you are nor am referring to anything you have said, that I know of, then your anger and hostility toward me personally is curious.

Try to keep it professional, and comment about anything actually said, whether you agree with it or not. I only refer to the more outlandish versions of certain teachings, which not all that believe them generally will agree with.

Those who say the Lord's second coming to earth is as the fire of God to burn all flesh and melt the earth and heaves, are wrong.

Simple. If you agree, then just say so,a nd distance yourself from it, and offer a better understanding of your teaching instead.

Please do not lecture anyone on this board about their comments when your are full of ad hominem and avoidance.

Every thread you commence is based upon a fallacy of your own imagination.
 
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The day of the Lord's second coming is not the fire of God coming to consume all flesh and the earth with fire, since at His second coming, He will meet with all His resurrected saints in the air.

No one will be in the air, when the earth is melted with fervent heat, especially not the Lord meeting with His newly resurrected saints.

But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

The Lord and His saints will not be watching from the air, any fire from God burning all the earth, because the stars also will melt with fervent heat, as well as the earth.

On the day of the Lord's burning of the earth from heaven, neither Lord, nor His resurrected saints, nor any angel will be in the air nor anywhere in this world.

Therefore, the day of the Lord's after His earthly reign, cannot be the day of the Lord's second coming to recieve meet with his church into the air with clouds.

No one survives this day apart from the glorified saints. The earth is totally torched. What qualifies your billions of mortal rebels to inherit your future millennial earth?
 

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Many That Promote Millennialism Falsely Teach, Satan Cant Be Presently Bound Because Evil Exist In The World?
When you get it right, try again.

Satan cannot be shut up today, because he still tempts to do evil, falsely accuses the brethren, deceives with false doctrine, and must be resisted not to do evil. He is still the prince and power of the air, and god of this world.

There will still be those doing evil in the earthly reign of Christ, when they do not go up the feast of tabernacles, and the Lord must withhold rain from them.

You don't have to agree with someone to at least get their teaching accurate.
 

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Satan is "Currently" bound from "One Specific Purpose", And One Only?
No.

Shut up is shut up.

Too much symbolizing makes all reading of Scripture sloppy.

Taking Scripture literally, includes taking the meaning of the words plainly.
 

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Avoidance is your MO. You have to as the Amil posts expose what you promote. They prove the symbolic nature of the depiction in Revelation 20.
Symbols used in an even do not make the event symbolic. Nor allegory and parable.
 

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Why would I (or any Amil) address any of your queries when you avoid numerous questions and multiple posts that expose Premil? That is blatant hypocrisy.
Thought so. Refusal the Lord's earthly reign also refuses all the prophecies of His earthly reign, which are very specific, so that if they are not fulfilled specifically, they become false prophecies made by Scripture.
 

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Please do not anyone on this board about their comments when your are full of ad hominem and avoidance.

Every thread you commence is based upon a fallacy of your own imagination.
When I say something is imagination only, I show why.

I don't reject something, just because I don't like to be corrected.
 

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No one survives this day apart from the glorified saints. The earth is totally torched. What qualifies your billions of mortal rebels to inherit your future millennial earth?
I don't know the number of them left or the smitten nations, but the process of elimination is first all them killed during the great tribulation of God's wrath on earth, and then all them of the nations gathered to make war with Him, and finally all them judged as goats and executed.

All that remains with be the natural good and neighborly sheep.

I've already given the Scriptures.