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[Zao is life]

You dont read very carefully before you start replying.

Calvin-Tulip teaches that you are "pre-chosen" to become Born again.... before you are born of your mother.

So, if you are not pre-chosen to be born again, then you are pre-chosen to NOT be born again....

Understand..??????

So to be pre-chosen to be born again, chooses you to go to Heaven.

And to not be pre-chosen to become A CHRISTIAN, means you are pre-chosen to NOT BE CHOSEN to go to heaven, you go to HELL.

If i need to make CALVINISM-TULIP LIES easier for you to understand, i can try, but what i just posted a 4 yr old can understand.
So, give it a shot, @Ronald Nolette




Yeah, i thought you would try that nonsense once you realized your own families situation.

You can't face it, and i can understand why.

So, enjoy your "4 points" as its one of the Devil's finest doctrine(s)



"Faith comes by Hearing" the Gospel

You Calvinist's, always leave that out, i noticed.



WE live in a world where you can get hurt, get murdered, get "sex traffic'd" and Calvinists, always blame God, because to be a Calvinist - Tulip deceived one, you must blame God for what The Devil's causes.

All Calvinist's blame God.. as that is the Devil's plan for you to carry out.

I agree with what you say about Calvinism. We did not exist before we were conceived. Only Christ existed before He was conceived, before the foundation of the world:

Who verily was foreknown before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you. -- 1 Peter 1:20

According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love. having predestined us to the adoption of children by Jesus Christ to Himself, according to the good pleasure of His will -- Ephesians 1:4-5

God predestined in Christ those who would believe and repent, and we could only be predestined in Christ because He alone existed before the foundation of the world, and nowhere does scripture imply that God purposed before the foundation of the world to saw Adam in two so that one part of the descendants of Adam could be saved through faith in Christ and the other part not.

God did not choose before the foundation of the world which of the descendants of Adam and Eve would believe and repent and be saved, and which would not. Christ died and rose again for all mankind and many are called, but few (only those who believe and repent) are chosen. The "predestined" cannot be predestined in anyone other than in the One who existed before the foundation of the world.

Before the foundation of the world God chose Christ - the Chosen One - the last Adam - not us, but this includes all those who are in Him through faith in Him. Predestination is IN Christ, the image of God, not in us in whom the image of God is broken.​

 

[Behold]

According as he hath chosen us in him​

The part of the verse that confused John Calvin, was this part..

"Chosen IN CHRIST"..


So, Calvin decided that to be chosen "in Christ" means, "predestined before your are born".

But it does not mean that..

It means that once you are "IN CHRIST".. then you are predestined to be completed according to God's Foreknowledge.

So the pre-destining, is "conformed into the image of Jesus The Christ", and the Foreknowledge.... is that God knew who is going to become born again "in Christ". .

Calvin's false doctrine replaces the "foreknowledge" that God has regarding who is going to become born again "in Christ', and changes that to "before you are born, God chose you to be saved".

Its also interesting to not that there is no such phase or verse in the Bible that says, .. "Doctrine of Depravity".

So, what the verse is teaching is that God knows if you are going to become a Christian, and to be that one, you become "in Christ", and all who do, are pre-destined by God, to become "conformed into the image of Christ' AFTER you are born again, in Christ.

Why?
Because GOD is "faithful to complete your Salvation" as "conformed into"..

= Philippians 1:6

This means that what is pre-destined occurs AFTER you are "IN CHRIST" and not before....

 

[Ronald Nolette]

You dont read very carefully before you start replying.

Calvin-Tulip teaches that you are "pre-chosen" to become Born again.... before you are born of your mother.

So, if you are not pre-chosen to be born again, then you are pre-chosen to NOT be born again....

Understand..??????

You need to read Scripture more carefully. I have told you what Scripture says.

All are already lost- they are not "chosen" to be lost, they are lost by nature

The saved are prechosen from the midst of all lost!

an example.

A warden walks death tow. all are guilty and condemned to die. He chooses some to be pardoned and released. That does not mean he chose the others to die, they were already condemend- this is the case with mankind according to Gods Words.

As Jesus said:

3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

Simply being born-one is already condemned!

And to not be pre-chosen to become A CHRISTIAN, means you are pre-chosen to NOT BE CHOSEN to go to heaven, you go to HELL.

If i need to make CALVINISM-TULIP LIES easier for you to understand, i can try, but what i just posted a 4 yr old can understand.
So, give it a shot, @Ronald Nolette

I challenge you that you are showing your straw man version of "TULIP" AND NOT TULIP ITSELF ! Once again, showing quotes from Calvins writings to support your straw man would give you some credibility. Just spouting accusations without proof is vacuous

Yeah, i thought you would try that nonsense once you realized your own families situation.

You can't face it, and i can understand why.

So, enjoy your "4 points" as its one of the Devil's finest doctrine(s)

Well as all my family are followers of Jesus, your muck raking is irrelavent.

"Faith comes by Hearing" the Gospel

You Calvinist's, always leave that out, i noticed.

Just the opposite, I rejoice in it!

WE live in a world where you can get hurt, get murdered, get "sex traffic'd" and Calvinists, always blame God, because to be a Calvinist - Tulip deceived one, you must blame God for what The Devil's causes.

All Calvinist's blame God.. as that is the Devil's plan for you to carry out.

Sorry but gods will is sovereign in the entire universe. NOthing happens unless god allows it, and for believers, if God allows it, He will work it out for our good!

As Isaiah under
Divine INspiration said:

Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.

Maybe you should focus more on gods Word instead of your own philosophizing and musings.

Paul's Doctrine.

This.

Paul said..>>"Be a follower of Me, as i follow Christ"... So, He has a specific ministry that is related to the "time of the Gentiles", and i teach that, and nothing else.

So, that does not mean..>"when a heretic rewrites Paul's verses to suit their Legalism, or Cross denying, follow them".

Most people are following them..
And You should know.. @Ronald Nolette

All these words to say nothing.

I assume you know the five points of Calvin and the 5 points of Armenius. Both claim they are biblical.

Paul would be a five point Calvinist on the subjects the five points discuss.

Do you know what each of the sides five points even are? Or are you just being ephemeral again?

 

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All are already lost- they are not "chosen" to be lost, they are lost by nature

Everyone born has the "adamic nature", read to go.

= "all have sinned" "there is none righteous, no not one".

No one born, is more of that or less of that..........we are all the SAME, as THAT...

The saved are prechosen from the midst of all lost!

The Saved are the born again, who "believed" the Gospel when they heard it..
The Holy Spirit, revealed it, and then they CHOSE, or didnt..........to believe what was REVEALED.

A warden walks death tow. all are guilty and condemned to die.

An unbeliever is already spiritually dead.

All humans ever born since Adam, are exactly this same situation.

The Cross of Christ is the WAY that any unbeliever can return to God's family.

How?

By BELIEVING, (Free will) The Gospel.

Sorry but gods will is sovereign in the entire universe. NOthing happens unless god allows it,

What Calvinism does, is... it falsely accuses God of "causing evil", because God allows you, me, and everyone to decide how we behave.

So, what God "allows" is for all of us to do what we want..
That is not causing it, that is God allowing our FREE WILL to decide how we behave.

Its really that simple.

And as i was telling you @Ronald Nolette .... when Calvin owns your mind, and has you believing, as you said you do......that IF cancer that came to someone you love, or to you, it is "pre-destined".. = then Calvin has killed you or the person you love..., if its Terminal Cancer, as you can't trust God and Christ for Healing, if Calvinism... has your mind blinded so that you believe that you were "meant to have it" or they were.

So, wake up..

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Everyone born has the "adamic nature", read to go.

= "all have sinned" "there is none righteous, no not one".

No one born, is more of that or less of that..........we are all the SAME, as THAT...





The Saved are the born again, who "believed" the Gospel when they heard it..
The Holy Spirit, revealed it, and then they CHOSE, or didnt..........to believe what was REVEALED.



An unbeliever is already spiritually dead.

All humans ever born since Adam, are exactly this same situation.

The Cross of Christ is the WAY that any unbeliever can return to God's family.

How?

By BELIEVING, (Free will) The Gospel.




What Calvinism does, is... it falsely accuses God of "causing evil", because God allows you, me, and everyone to decide how we behave.

So, what God "allows" is for all of us to do what we want..
That is not causing it, that is God allowing our FREE WILL to decide how we behave.

Its really that simple.

And as i was telling you @Ronald Nolette .... when Calvin owns your mind, and has you believing, as you said you do......that IF cancer that came to someone you love, or to you, it is "pre-destined".. = then Calvin has killed you or the person you love..., if its Terminal Cancer, as you can't trust God and Christ for Healing, if Calvinism... has your mind blinded so that you believe that you were "meant to have it" or they were.

So, wake up..

So you are at least a 1 point Armeniast, but abhor to admit it.

The bible says nothing about free will in unsaved man, just the opposite Romans 6

See, if you had quit the line "So, what God allows...." you would have been fine. But you had to add your own vapid philosophy.

Once again, I await a biblical refutation of the five points, instead of your personal hatred.

And once again I see you are practicing your lying again.

If I contract cnacer, I believe God for healing. Either miraculously, through the hands of a doctor, or taking me home. I trust God for healing, despite you lying about what I believe.

 

[Behold]

The bible says nothing about free will in unsaved man, just the opposite Romans 6

Calvin has you believing that God would tell Adam and Eve to not eat that forbidden fruit, when they had no free will to CHOSE to eat it?

So, "Crazy" Calvinism, has God forbidding Adam and Eve to eat the forbidden Fruit, so that He could predestine them to do it.

Uh huh.

"doctrines of devils'. = Calvinism & TULIP


Also,

"the doctrine of total depravity" and the phrase "irresistible grace, or sovereign Grace""... are not found in a Bible... They are only found in Calvin's mind that is now your cult Theology.

Whereas "Free will" is found a Bible...

I show you 2 places..

Joshua 24.. """But if serving the LORD seems undesirable to you, then CHOOSE THIS DAY WHO YOU WILL SERVE , but as for me and my House we will Serve the Lord"....by CHOICE, just like the other has the CHOSE this DAY, whom they will serve.

Also

EZRA 7:13

King James Bible
I make a decree, that all they of the people of Israel, and of his priests and Levites, in my realm, which are minded of their OWN FREE WILL to go up to Jerusalem, go with thee.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

So, Calvinist - Tulip person... = that means that some in your family, are - pre-destined by God, to not be able to believe in Jesus, and so, they will burn in the lake of fire.

This is an example of satanic teaching infiltrating in to the church.

The god the calvinists follow is an evil monster!

 

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This is an example of satanic teaching infiltrating in to the church.

The god the calvinists follow is an evil monster!

Calvinism is like a Virus, its a mentaL VIRUS, THAT JUST goes deeper and deeper into the mind, so that finally the person is teaching Calvinism, and thinks "im teaching the bible". "im led of the Holy Spirit to teach John Calvinism"...

And thats a big issue they have.... really big., as God is not a Calvinist.
= That is how Calvin takes over your mind.

God makes : Christians.

Calvin makes : Calvinists.

John Calvinism... has them blaming God for Sickness, for Rape, for "all the evil in the world", as if the DEVIL is not the one doing it., causing it.

The Devil LOVES Calvinism, and TULIP, as its one of His finest creations..

It'll have you blaming God for what the Devil does to your family, and to YOU...

Calvinism- TULIP..... is very demonic.

 

[Grailhunter]

Grace and what it is….

Point of fact….to add to the discussion….if you look on the internet and ask what Grace is, you’ll see the diversity out there.

Or is it confusion.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Calvin has you believing that God would tell Adam and Eve to not eat that forbidden fruit, when they had no free will to CHOSE to eat it?

So, "Crazy" Calvinism, has God forbidding Adam and Eve to eat the forbidden Fruit, so that He could predestine them to do it.

Uh huh.

"doctrines of devils'. = Calvinism & TULIP


Also,

"the doctrine of total depravity" and the phrase "irresistible grace, or sovereign Grace""... are not found in a Bible... They are only found in Calvin's mind that is now your cult Theology.

Whereas "Free will" is found a Bible...

I show you 2 places..

Joshua 24.. """But if serving the LORD seems undesirable to you, then CHOOSE THIS DAY WHO YOU WILL SERVE , but as for me and my House we will Serve the Lord"....by CHOICE, just like the other has the CHOSE this DAY, whom they will serve.

Also

EZRA 7:13

King James Bible
I make a decree, that all they of the people of Israel, and of his priests and Levites, in my realm, which are minded of their OWN FREE WILL to go up to Jerusalem, go with thee.

Once again a lot of blather and huffing and puffing, but no SCriptures denouncing the five points, no quotes from Calvin proving your baseless allegations.

As for free will and the quotes you make? These are the people of God and yes believers have their free will restored at salvation. These are not unbelievers but believers.

 

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yes believers have their free will restored at salvation.

To teach that free will is restored, means that the unbelievers had it, and lost it.

No bible verse even suggests this nonsense you are posting.

So, your theology, is religious sci-fi, courtesy of a devil, named John Calvin.


Listen.....You're belief system, (theology).... is just the spoiled fruit of that man's Cross Rejecting theological insanity.

And i'll tell you again.
That you believe the lie of the Devil, that is Calvinism-Tulip-Hyper-Calvinism, ... as you stated that God can cause you to be SICK... when Jesus never made anyone SICK..
Dont you believe that Jesus is God?....
I think you do, so, you just spit on that......UNDERSTAND, ?
Did you not notice?
Cant think that deeply??, Cant see what you are doing?
Can you actually not connect those dots, because John Calvinism has so ruined your ability to see anything but that man's demonic Theology? @Ronald Nolette

So, once again..

If you had a back issue, or a cancer issue, and you BELIEVE that God, is "testing you" or "predestined you to get muscular dystrophy".. or "get cancer"...

How would you then, Mr TULIP, MR 4 Points.. know if it was The DEVIL, who is doing it, when you BELIEVE God is "putting it on you"?

A.) YOU CAN'T.

So, as i told you.. "Calvin can get you killed, or the people you love".

Wake up.
Really.

 

[Grailhunter]

What does the Bible say about Grace?

John 1:14 ESV
And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, and we have seen his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father, full of grace and truth.
John 1:16 ESV For from his fullness we have all received, grace upon grace.
John 1:17 ESV
For the law was given through Moses; grace and truth came through Jesus Christ.
John 3:16-17 ESV
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only Son, that whoever believes in him should not perish but have eternal life. For God did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but in order that the world might be saved through him.
John 6:63 ESV
It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh is no help at all. The words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life.
John 15:5 ESV
I am the vine; you are the branches. Whoever abides in me and I in him, he it is that bears much fruit, for apart from me you can do nothing.
Acts 4:33 ESV And with great power the apostles were giving their testimony to the resurrection of the Lord Jesus, and great grace was upon them all.
Acts 6:8 ESV
And Stephen, full of grace and power, was doing great wonders and signs among the people.
Acts 15:11 ESV But we believe that we will be saved through the grace of the Lord Jesus, just as they will.”
Acts 20:24 ESV But I do not account my life of any value nor as precious to myself, if only I may finish my course and the ministry that I received from the Lord Jesus, to testify to the gospel of the grace of God.
Acts 20:32 ESV
And now I commend you to God and to the word of his grace, which is able to build you up and to give you the inheritance among all those who are sanctified.
Romans 1:7 ESV
To all those in Rome who are loved by God and called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.
Romans 3:24 ESV
And are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,
Romans 3:20-24 ESV
For by works of the law no human being will be justified in his sight, since through the law comes knowledge of sin. But now the righteousness of God has been manifested apart from the law, although the Law and the Prophets bear witness to it— the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all who believe. For there is no distinction: for all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God, and are justified by his grace as a gift, through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus,
Romans 5:1-21
Therefore, since we have been justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ. Through him we have also obtained access by faith into this grace in which we stand, and we rejoice in hope of the glory of God. Not only that, but we rejoice in our sufferings, knowing that suffering produces endurance, and endurance produces character, and character produces hope, and hope does not put us to shame, because God's love has been poured into our hearts through the Holy Spirit who has been given to us. ...
Romans 4:16 ESV
That is why it depends on faith, in order that the promise may rest on grace and be guaranteed to all his offspring—not only to the adherent of the law but also to the one who shares the faith of Abraham, who is the father of us all,
Romans 5:15 ESV
But the free gift is not like the trespass. For if many died through one man's trespass, much more have the grace of God and the free gift by the grace of that one man Jesus Christ abounded for many.
Romans 5:17 ESV
For if, because of one man's trespass, death reigned through that one man, much more will those who receive the abundance of grace and the free gift of righteousness reign in life through the one man Jesus Christ.
Romans 5:20 ESV
Now the law came in to increase the trespass, but where sin increased, grace abounded all the more,
Romans 5:21 ESV
So that, as sin reigned in death, grace also might reign through righteousness leading to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.
Romans 6:1-4 ESV
What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin that grace may abound? By no means! How can we who died to sin still live in it? Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life.
Romans 6:14 ESV / For sin will have no dominion over you, since you are not under law but under grace.
Romans 6:15 ESV
What then? Are we to sin because we are not under law but under grace? By no means!
Romans 6:16 ESV
Do you not know that if you present yourselves to anyone as obedient slaves, you are slaves of the one whom you obey, either of sin, which leads to death, or of obedience, which leads to righteousness?
Romans 11:6 ESV /
But if it is by grace, it is no longer on the basis of works; otherwise grace would no longer be grace.
1 Corinthians 12:9 ESV
To another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit,
1 Corinthian 15:10 ESV
But by the grace of God I am what I am, and his grace toward me was not in vain. On the contrary, I worked harder than any of them, though it was not I, but the grace of God that is with me.
2 Corinthians 6:1 ESV
Working together with him, then, we appeal to you not to receive the grace of God in vain.
2 Corinthians 8:7 ESV But as you excel in everything—in faith, in speech, in knowledge, in all earnestness, and in our love for you—see that you excel in this act of grace also.
2 Corinthians 8:9 ESV
For you know the grace of our Lord Jesus Christ, that though he was rich, yet for your sake he became poor, so that you by his poverty might become rich.
2 Corinthians 9:8 ESV And God is able to make all grace abound to you, so that having all sufficiency in all things at all times, you may abound in every good work.

Continued

 

[Grailhunter]

2 Corinthians 12:8-9 ESV
Three times I pleaded with the Lord about this, that it should leave me. But he said to me, “My grace is sufficient for you, for my power is made perfect in weakness.” Therefore I will boast all the more gladly of my weaknesses, so that the power of Christ may rest upon me.
Galatians 1:15 ESV
But when he who had set me apart before I was born, and who called me by his grace,
Galatians 2:19-21 ESV
For through the law I died to the law, so that I might live to God. I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.
Galatians 5:4 ESV
You are severed from Christ, you who would be justified by the law; you have fallen away from grace.
Ephesians 1:1-23 ESV
Paul, an apostle of Christ Jesus by the will of God, To the saints who are in Ephesus, and are faithful in Christ Jesus: Grace to you and peace from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ. Blessed be the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in Christ with every spiritual blessing in the heavenly places, even as he chose us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and blameless before him. In love he predestined us for adoption to himself as sons through Jesus Christ, according to the purpose of his will, ...
Ephesians 2:1-22 ESV
And you were dead in the trespasses and sins in which you once walked, following the course of this world, following the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that is now at work in the sons of disobedience— among whom we all once lived in the passions of our flesh, carrying out the desires of the body and the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, like the rest of mankind. But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved—
Ephesians 2:4-9 ESV
But God, being rich in mercy, because of the great love with which he loved us, even when we were dead in our trespasses, made us alive together with Christ—by grace you have been saved— and raised us up with him and seated us with him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus, so that in the coming ages he might show the immeasurable riches of his grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus. For by grace you have been saved through faith. And this is not your own doing; it is the gift of God, ...
Ephesians 4:7 ESV
But grace was given to each one of us according to the measure of Christ's gift.
2 Timothy 1:9 ESV
Who saved us and called us to a holy calling, not because of our works but because of his own purpose and grace, which he gave us in Christ Jesus before the ages began,
2 Timothy 2:1 ESV
you then, my child, be strengthened by the grace that is in Christ Jesus,
2 Timothy 4:22 ESV The Lord be with your spirit. Grace be with you.
Titus 2:11-14 ESV
For the grace of God has appeared, bringing salvation for all people, training us to renounce ungodliness and worldly passions, and to live self-controlled, upright, and godly lives in the present age, waiting for our blessed hope, the appearing of the glory of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ, who gave himself for us to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people for his own possession who are zealous for good works.
Titus 3:5-7 ESV
e saved us, not because of works done by us in righteousness, but according to his own mercy, by the washing of regeneration and renewal of the Holy Spirit, whom he poured out on us richly through Jesus Christ our Savior, so that being justified by his grace we might become heirs according to the hope of eternal life.
Philemon 1:25 ESV
The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ be with your spirit.
Hebrews 2:9 ESV
But we see him who for a little while was made lower than the angels, namely Jesus, crowned with glory and honor because of the suffering of death, so that by the grace of God he might taste death for everyone.
Hebrews 2:14-18 ESV Since therefore the children share in flesh and blood, he himself likewise partook of the same things, that through death he might destroy the one who has the power of death, that is, the devil, and deliver all those who through fear of death were subject to lifelong slavery. For surely it is not angels that he helps, but he helps the offspring of Abraham. Therefore he had to be made like his brothers in every respect, so that he might become a merciful and faithful high priest in the service of God, to make propitiation for the sins of the people. For because he himself has suffered when tempted, he is able to help those who are being tempted.
Hebrews 4:16 ESV Let us then with confidence draw near to the throne of grace, that we may receive mercy and find grace to help in time of need.
Hebrews 12:15 ESV See to it that no one fails to obtain the grace of God; that no “root of bitterness” springs up and causes trouble, and by it many become defiled;
Hebrews 13:9 ESV Do not be led away by diverse and strange teachings, for it is good for the heart to be strengthened by grace, not by foods, which have not benefited those devoted to them.
James 4:6 ESV
But he gives more grace. Therefore it says, “God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble.”
1 Peter 1:13-16 ESV
13 Therefore, preparing your minds for action, and being sober-minded, set your hope fully on the grace that will be brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ. 14 As obedient children, do not be conformed to the passions of your former ignorance, 15 but as he who called you is holy, you also be holy in all your conduct, 16 since it is written, “You shall be holy, for I am holy.”
1 Peter 3:7 ESV
Likewise, husbands, live with your wives in an understanding way, showing honor to the woman as the weaker vessel, since they are heirs with you of the grace of life, so that your prayers may not be hindered.
1 Peter 4:10 ESV
As each has received a gift, use it to serve one another, as good stewards of God's varied grace:
1 Peter 5:5 ESV
Likewise, you who are younger, be subject to the elders. Clothe yourselves, all of you, with humility toward one another, for “God opposes the proud but gives grace to the humble.”
1 Peter 5:10 ESV And after you have suffered a little while, the God of all grace, who has called you to his eternal glory in Christ, will himself restore, confirm, strengthen, and establish you.
2 Peter 1:2 ESV
May grace and peace be multiplied to you in the knowledge of God and of Jesus our Lord.
2 Peter 3:9 ESV The Lord is not slow to fulfill his promise as some count slowness, but is patient toward you, not wishing that any should perish, but that all should reach repentance.
2 Peter 3:18 ESV But grow in the grace and knowledge of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. To him be the glory both now and to the day of eternity. Amen.
Jude 1:4 ESV For certain people have crept in unnoticed who long ago were designated for this condemnation, ungodly people, who pervert the grace of our God into sensuality and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.
Revelation 22:21 ESV
The grace of the Lord Jesus be with all. Amen.

 

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Jude 1:4 For certain people have crept in unnoticed

These are religious, Christ rejecting Jews.
You can find them in Hebrews Chapter 6, and Chapter 10, and Acts 28:28

who long ago were designated for this condemnation, ungodly people,

"ungodly people"... Not born again Christians.

But hyper religious, self righteous, and deniers that Jesus is the only Way to the Father., and that Salvation is an unearned Gift that cant be lost.

who pervert the grace of our God into sensuality

"pervert the Grace of God" .....by teaching against the TRUTH.... by denying that if you believe that God's Salvation is completed by Christ, and you receive it by faith..... then you have it for as Long as God lives, and you are always kept righteous, exactly as you were made righteous, when God '"imputed Christ's righteousness", unto you., as "Grace through Faith".

These deceivers teach that God's righteousness, if taught that its a Gift that makes you always Righteous, is teaching you that you are receiving freedom to sin without consequence, and can live in sensuality.

So, their aim, their goal, their purpose...... is to convince you that God's Grace, when understood correctly, is authorizing carnality.
This is how they subvert the correct understanding, of God's Grace.

and deny our only Master and Lord, Jesus Christ.

Notice that these people are deniers of Jesus, and that is because they reject God's Grace as a FREE GIFT that places the Believer, apart from any and all self effort to try to maintain it.
These deceivers want to take the "GIFT" of God, and change it into "you are teaching freedom to live carnally and sensually", so that you will never understand God's Grace as GRACE. Instead you'll believe God's Grace when taught correctly is teaching "sensuality, and license to commit carnality".
JUDE teaches that this is their aim....its to subvert the correct understanding of God's Grace.

 

[amigo de christo]

If you want a 20,000 seat arena with your name on it, then teach "health and wealth".

if you want a bigger one and a TV ministry, then teach, Health, and wealth, and how to feel good about yourself.

If you want to build "soldiers for Christ' who know how to put on the Armor of God, then you teach Paul's Doctrine, only.

You're crowds wont be as large but they will be really good workers and doers and they wont fall away.

number three should say then you teach all things JESUS taught and later the apostels taught .
i never could understand why folks pit apostle against apostel , james against paul
or peter verses paul or etc . THEY ALL AGREED WITH JESUS THE CHRIST and they all
taught pure and lovely TRUTH . TRUTH by which a lamb would do well to learn and stay refreshed in daily .

 

[Grailhunter]

These are religious, Christ rejecting Jews.
You can find them in Hebrews Chapter 6, and Chapter 10, and Acts 28:28




"ungodly people"... Not born again Christians.

But hyper religious, self righteous, and deniers that Jesus is the only Way to the Father., and that Salvation is an unearned Gift that cant be lost.



"pervert the Grace of God" .....by teaching against the TRUTH.... by denying that if you believe that God's Salvation is completed by Christ, and you receive it by faith..... then you have it for as Long as God lives, and you are always kept righteous, exactly as you were made righteous, when God '"imputed Christ's righteousness", unto you., as "Grace through Faith".

These deceivers teach that God's righteousness, if taught that its a Gift that makes you always Righteous, is teaching you that you are receiving freedom to sin without consequence, and can live in sensuality.

So, their aim, their goal, their purpose...... is to convince you that God's Grace, when understood correctly, is authorizing carnality.
This is how they subvert the correct understanding, of God's Grace.




Notice that these people are deniers of Jesus, and that is because they reject God's Grace as a FREE GIFT that places the Believer, apart from any and all self effort to try to maintain it.
These deceivers want to take the "GIFT" of God, and change it into "you are teaching freedom to live carnally and sensually", so that you will never understand God's Grace as GRACE. Instead you'll believe God's Grace when taught correctly is teaching "sensuality, and license to commit carnality".
JUDE teaches that this is their aim....its to subvert the correct understanding of God's Grace.

I have no idea what you are talking about. I just copied and pasted scripture, all grace scriptures. I was not trying to make a point. I am adamantly opposed to Once Saved Always Saved, Universalism, and Calvinism. Sometimes when you are in fist fight, you end up taking a swing at a friend.

 

[quietthinker]

More about : God's Grace​

.....and isn't it interesting Behold, your focused condescending attitude towards his flawed followers is anything but Grace....and a country mile from God's......even in the face of your topic's title!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

To teach that free will is restored, means that the unbelievers had it, and lost it.

No bible verse even suggests this nonsense you are posting.

So, your theology, is religious sci-fi, courtesy of a devil, named John Calvin.

Maybe in your mind, but not according to Scripture. all are born lost and slavces to sin and have no will to choose God as per Romans and Corinthians and John. It was lost from Adam and passed on. At ones rebirth, free will is restored to that individual, or if you prefer, free will is given to that new believer.

Listen.....You're belief system, (theology).... is just the spoiled fruit of that man's Cross Rejecting theological insanity.

And i'll tell you again.
That you believe the lie of the Devil, that is Calvinism-Tulip-Hyper-Calvinism, ... as you stated that God can cause you to be SICK... when Jesus never made anyone SICK..
Dont you believe that Jesus is God?....
I think you do, so, you just spit on that......UNDERSTAND, ?
Did you not notice?
Cant think that deeply??, Cant see what you are doing?
Can you actually not connect those dots, because John Calvinism has so ruined your ability to see anything but that man's demonic Theology?

Once again, vapid accusations without a scintilla of any evidence other than your ex-cathedra proclamations. FAIL!

So, once again..

If you had a back issue, or a cancer issue, and you BELIEVE that God, is "testing you" or "predestined you to get muscular dystrophy".. or "get cancer"...

How would you then, Mr TULIP, MR 4 Points.. know if it was The DEVIL, who is doing it, when you BELIEVE God is "putting it on you"?

A.) YOU CAN'T.

So, as i told you.. "Calvin can get you killed, or the people you love".

Well as I don't believe in your opinion that you wrote above- you wasted lots of time writing it. BYW I am a 5 pointer, not four pointer.

 

[Grailhunter]

Calvinism is a lie and blasphemy against God!

But on the topic of God’s Grace….
Grace as a word….
The Grace of Christ….
Grace as what does Grace do for us….

What do you all think?

 

[Dan Clarkston]

So, your theology, is religious sci-fi