Moses Law : is NOT made for Christians #3

[PeterAndroz]

@PeterAndroz,
I don't think perseverance should be reduced to either "works" or "continuing belief" as though those are the only options.
My question isn't where Paul teaches that salvation is maintained by meritorious works. I agree that justification is by grace through faith apart from works of the law.

What I'm asking is why Paul repeatedly gives conditional warnings to believers.
For example, Colossians 1:23 says, "if ye continue in the faith." 1 Corinthians 15:2 says, "by which also ye are saved, if ye keep in memory what I preached unto you." Romans 11:22 warns, "otherwise thou also shalt be cut off."

Those warnings are not about earning salvation through works, but neither do they sound irrelevant.

If your position is that continuing to believe the gospel is necessary, then we may agree that Paul's warnings about continuing in faith are meaningful. If your position is that even abandoning belief has no effect on one's standing before God, then how do you understand Paul's warnings and conditions?

Here is what I consider is part of 'works' :-
Study the Bible.
Spread the Gospel
Based on your abilities, help others.
Keep commandments
............
-- My position/understanding is that it makes sense (I may be wrong) that since belief is the requirement to be saved/sealed that perseverance in belief must be ongoing yet some believe that 2 Tim 2:13 teaches otherwise.
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If you believe Paul teaches perseverance to remain Eph 4:30 SEALED also includes 'works' as above then Paul is contradicting himself in these verses :-
Titus 3:
5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Gal 2:
16Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Rom 3:
28Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Eph 2:
8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Rom 4:
5But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Rom 5:
1Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

 

[faithhopecharity]

Here is what I consider is part of 'works' :-
Study the Bible.
Spread the Gospel
Based on your abilities, help others.
Keep commandments
............
-- My position/understanding is that it makes sense (I may be wrong) that since belief is the requirement to be saved/sealed that perseverance in belief must be ongoing yet some believe that 2 Tim 2:13 teaches otherwise.
..
If you believe Paul teaches perseverance to remain Eph 4:30 SEALED also includes 'works' as above then Paul is contradicting himself in these verses :-
Titus 3:
5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost;
Gal 2:
16Knowing that a man is not justified by the works of the law, but by the faith of Jesus Christ, even we have believed in Jesus Christ, that we might be justified by the faith of Christ, and not by the works of the law: for by the works of the law shall no flesh be justified.
Rom 3:
28Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
Eph 2:
8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God:
9Not of works, lest any man should boast.
Rom 4:
5But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.
Rom 5:
1Therefore being justified by faith, we have peace with God through our Lord Jesus Christ:

if your saved you already have eternal salvation and already have received the promise! do you agree?

thks

 

[PeterAndroz]

if your saved you already have eternal salvation and already have received the promise! do you agree?

thks

The promise of Heaven entry, YES
c/- hearing,believing,trusting the 1 Cor 15:1-4, Eph 1:13, Eph 4:30 Gospel taught Gal 1:11-12 to ONLY Paul by Christ
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Rewards or loss in Heaven will be decided at JSOC based on he we lived after being saved
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Your 'deeds'/works/behavior/performance only decide your eternal rewards/loss
Rom 14:10
10But why dost thou judge thy brother? or why dost thou set at nought thy brother? for we shall all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.
1 Cor 3:10-15
10According to the grace of God which is given unto me, as a wise masterbuilder, I have laid the foundation, and another buildeth thereon. But let every man take heed how he buildeth thereupon.
11For other foundation can no man lay than that is laid, which is Jesus Christ.
12Now if any man build upon this foundation gold, silver, precious stones, wood, hay, stubble;
13Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.
14If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
15If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.
2 Cor 5:10
10For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things done in his body, according to that he hath done, whether it be good or bad.

 

[Davy]

My honest opinion of the OP: what a bunch of mumbo-jumbo of man's philosophy turned loose on The Bible.


Apostle Paul speaking:

1 Tim 1:8-11
8 But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully;

9 Knowing this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners, for unholy and profane, for murderers of fathers and murderers of mothers, for manslayers,
10 For whoremongers, for them that defile themselves with mankind, for menstealers, for liars, for perjured persons, and if there be any other thing that is contrary to sound doctrine;

11 According to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which was committed to my trust.
KJV


This is why there are pictures of Moses holding the Ten Commandment tablets in many U.S. courtrooms. The law given by God through Moses involving U.S. law, does that sound like some philosophical construct? No, of course not. Many of the laws given in The Old Testament through Moses are still applied in the law systems of the western Christian nations.

It's like Apostle Paul said, the law was not made for the righteous man, but for the sinner and the ungodly. It's simple.

Paul's idea of God's law applied to believers on Christ is 'conditional'. IF... we walk by our flesh, then we place ourselves back under the law. This is what Paul taught in Galatians 5. But walking by The Spirit means not being subject to the law, because doing the things of The Holy Spirit there is no law against. Paul also taught that in Galatians 5 also.

What about those men who try to say the law is dead for the Christian? They want you to think that we as Christians cannot slip up and sin anymore, which is a lie. Walk with Christ by The Holy Spirit, or walk with man and thus by your flesh, your choice as a Christian.