Most Prophecy Teachers Clearly Reject God's Word!

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Keraz

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There is no hint of a literal fulfillment in the NT because (1) It was literally fulfilled in the OT, and (2) It has been completely removed from the NT.
But the complete occupancy of all of the holy Land by God's faithful peoples, has never yet happened.
Paul, in Romans 9:24-26, reiterates Hosea's Prophecy of how the end time people of God will be in the very place that the ancient Israelites were, before their exile.

Plainly they: that is - we Christians; will be in the holy land, as Daniel 7:25 and Revelation 13 :7a both tell of God's people being there, when the 'beast' conquers them.
 
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As someone who has come to new understanding many times throughout my Christian life, I would just like to point out that the people you disagree with are not lying, nor rejecting God's word. They are simply understanding it differently. And yes, sometimes we, as Christians, will ignore (for lack of a better word) certain verses because they don't fit what we've already established in our minds to be true, but that is called cognitive dissonance and we're all susceptible to it.

When a presented fact does not fit with our already established facts, the dichotomy does not compute, so we have to discard one of the two facts. Naturally, most of us are going to discard the new fact, and hold onto what we've already established. This is human nature. It does not make one a bad person, or a liar, or a heretic.

In my experience, the only way someone is going to accept new facts is if they come into the conversation with an open mind. Some minds are more open than others, so when you come across a closed mind, insulting that person is not going to help. You're going to get frustrated yes, but the more you show your frustration, the more they close their mind. You can not open someone's mind, they have to do that on their own, but you can close it further, so be careful.
This is a 100 percent factual statement above.

One night I was praying unto the Lord and asking him why we as a church had so many answers for questions that had only one truth, like who Babylon is, who the Harlot is, who the 144,000 are et al, I got this answer "Ron, you guys already know it all".

So, while I agree, it is human nature, we are supposed to put on Christ in full, and try to lose that sin nature as best we can. Now (this is funny) lets look at the worldly types, they are all in 100 percent agreement so much so that it is frightening, like zombies they move in unison, they are like lets abort babies, promote homosexuality, and promote trans idealism unto captive kids, they are all like sycophant zombies following the god of this world Satan over a cliff, they seem to have no idea, but they all follow the piper. Meanwhile we the church are disorganized, we can never receive new things it seems, but God was only going to release the end time understandings in the end times, so by being intrinsic, we push away God's new end time revelations.

Here is the truth, the end times are nothing like we once thought. There will be no meat sacrifice taken away, instead the False Prophet forbids Jesus worship by the Jews (the 1/3 in Zech. 13:8-9) who repent. But everyone is tied to the old thought patterns, they can not see that the temple can not be defiled if its never been cleansed, God rent the temple, thus He left the temple, it can never be defiled until Israel repents and starts worshiping Jesus again, just before the DOTL arrives in Zech. 14:1. Try as one might, your thesis above is all to true, the majority have that mindset and its stuck there, they can not be reached with these facts. So, I have to come to the conclusion the real problem is we are "too worldly ourselves, as the church" so much so the holy spirit can not unify us or reach us as he is want to do.
 
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So Joshua and the Holy Spirit who inspired him were lying when they said:

"Jehovah gave unto Israel all the land which he sware to give unto their fathers".
No, of course not, you are just not taking in all of the info provided. We know God promised Israel land from the Euphrates all the way to a river in Egypt, its in scriptures, so its a "contradiction" even though God never contradicts Himself, we cause contradictions in many a varied way, by misinterpreting scriptures, by reading bad translations or by not taking in all the info.

Here you are not taking in all of the info, we know God promised more land than Israel received, so what is the rub? Well, that promise was "CONTINIGENT" on obedience, since Israel did not obey and kill every man, woman and child, God's full promise was never fulfilled, and that disobedience would later come back to haunt Israel who took in and served the false gods of those they allowed to live !! Thus God indeed gave Israel every part of the land He promised them contingent upon their actions. Israel did not receive all the land they were promised because of disobedience, but during the Kingdom Age their borders will be exactly what God's original promise was.
 
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No, of course not, you are just not taking in all of the info provided. We know God promised Israel land from the Euphrates all the way to a river in Egypt, its in scriptures, so its a "contradiction" even though God never contradicts Himself, we cause contradictions in many a varied way, by misinterpreting scriptures, by reading bad translations or by not taking in all the info.

Here you are not taking in all of the info, we know God promised more land than Israel received, so what is the rub? Well, that promise was "CONTINIGENT" on obedience, since Israel did not obey and kill every man, woman and child, God's full promise was never fulfilled, and that disobedience would later come back to haunt Israel who took in and served the false gods of those they allowed to live !! Thus God indeed gave Israel every part of the land He promised them contingent upon their actions. Israel did not receive all the land they were promised because of disobedience, but during the Kingdom Age their borders will be exactly what God's original promise was.
Whom to believe?

1. The Holy Spirit and Joshua
2. Anyone else

Who needs a hint?

More proof:

Nehemiah 9
7 Thou art the Lord the God, who didst choose Abram, and broughtest him forth out of Ur of the Chaldees, and gavest him the name of Abraham;
8 And foundest his heart faithful before thee, and madest a covenant with him to give the land of the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Amorites, and the Perizzites, and the Jebusites, and the Girgashites, to give it, I say, to his seed, and hast performed thy words; for thou art righteous:

Of course, if you don't believe the Holy Spirit and Joshua, why would you believe the Holy Spirit and Nehemiah.
 
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As someone who has come to new understanding many times throughout my Christian life, I would just like to point out that the people you disagree with are not lying, nor rejecting God's word. They are simply understanding it differently. And yes, sometimes we, as Christians, will ignore (for lack of a better word) certain verses because they don't fit what we've already established in our minds to be true, but that is called cognitive dissonance and we're all susceptible to it.

When a presented fact does not fit with our already established facts, the dichotomy does not compute, so we have to discard one of the two facts. Naturally, most of us are going to discard the new fact, and hold onto what we've already established. This is human nature. It does not make one a bad person, or a liar, or a heretic.

In my experience, the only way someone is going to accept new facts is if they come into the conversation with an open mind. Some minds are more open than others, so when you come across a closed mind, insulting that person is not going to help. You're going to get frustrated yes, but the more you show your frustration, the more they close their mind. You can not open someone's mind, they have to do that on their own, but you can close it further, so be careful.
Well said, through and through!

Much love!
 
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Sure; the Lord has given all of the holy Land to Israel. Obviously, He didn't mean the ethnic, Jesus rejecting Israelis, but the Spiritual Israelites, the peoples of faith and who trust in God and have accepted the Salvation offered by Jesus. Romans 9:24-26


Youi get a fail - for not reading all of what the Bible says about ancient Israel.
Read: Judges 1:18-36, it tells how every one of the 12 tribes failed to conquer the Canaanite peoples. They lived with them and that was the cause of their downfall, intermarriage and idolatry.

God's Promise will be fulfilled to His faithful peoples. John sees them worshipping God and the Lamb, as they live in peace and prosperity in ALL of the holy Land. Revelation 7:9
Keraz, you've amply demonstrated why you believe the land was not fully occupied, but how do you reconcile that with Joshua 21:43, which clearly says they have? Do you think it's a problem with the English translations?
 

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Keraz, you've amply demonstrated why you believe the land was not fully occupied, but how do you reconcile that with Joshua 21:43, which clearly says they have? Do you think it's a problem with the English translations?
The ancient Israelites did conquer all of the holy Land and what Joshua said was correct. But they failed to get rid of the Canaanites, as God told them to. This led to their apostasy and eventual exile from the Land.

There is coming a time when all of the holy Land will; be occupied by Gods faithful peoples. Many Prophesies, like: Isaiah 35, Ezekiel 20:34-38, Jeremiah 31 and Romans 9:24-26, tell about this wonderful time.
The Lord will protect His people and when Gog and his huge army attacks them, they will be wiped out. Ezekiel 37 to 38

If this does not happen, then Gods Promises to Abraham, of his [spiritual] descendants living in all of that area from the Nile to the Euphrates, will have failed.
 

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The ancient Israelites did conquer all of the holy Land and what Joshua said was correct. But they failed to get rid of the Canaanites, as God told them to. This led to their apostasy and eventual exile from the Land.

There is coming a time when all of the holy Land will; be occupied by Gods faithful peoples. Many Prophesies, like: Isaiah 35, Ezekiel 20:34-38, Jeremiah 31 and Romans 9:24-26, tell about this wonderful time.
The Lord will protect His people and when Gog and his huge army attacks them, they will be wiped out. Ezekiel 37 to 38

If this does not happen, then Gods Promises to Abraham, of his [spiritual] descendants living in all of that area from the Nile to the Euphrates, will have failed.
Thank you for that clarification.
 

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If this does not happen, then Gods Promises to Abraham, of his [spiritual] descendants living in all of that area from the Nile to the Euphrates, will have failed.
So I'm guessing you agree that these promises were made to Jesus, but do you really think that Christians from around the world will migrate to the middle east to occupy that land? Or do you think perhaps the land of the promise was a metaphor for a spiritual land?
 

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So I'm guessing you agree that these promises were made to Jesus, but do you really think that Christians from around the world will migrate to the middle east to occupy that land? Or do you think perhaps the land of the promise was a metaphor for a spiritual land?
The holy Land is all that area from the Nile to the Euphrates. The area which God will soon clear and cleanse, Deuteronomy 32:43, Jeremiah 10:18, Jeremiah 12:14, Zephaniah 1:14-18, +
Then the faithful Christian peoples will migrate there and will live in peace and prosperity, blessed by the Lord. Read Psalms 107, Isaiah 66:18b-21 and many other Prophesies about the great Second Exodus of the faithful and righteous people of God into their heritage.
 

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As confirmed in Joshua 21:43, God fulfilled His OT literal promise of the land to Israel. No dispen can deny that. In the NT, His promise is fulfilled spiritually in Christ and in those in Christ. Galatians 3:16,28,29; 2 Corinthians 1:20; Hebrews 1:1,2. There is no hint of a literal fulfillment in the NT because (1) It was literally fulfilled in the OT, and (2) It has been completely removed from the NT.
Wow, so a dispensation was completed and the next one started? Then that dispensation was completed and the next one started? You said it, so why do you have issues with dispensations?
 

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Wow, so a dispensation was completed and the next one started? Then that dispensation was completed and the next one started? You said it, so why do you have issues with dispensations?
Are you a denying dispen?
 

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As someone who has come to new understanding many times throughout my Christian life, I would just like to point out that the people you disagree with are not lying, nor rejecting God's word. They are simply understanding it differently. And yes, sometimes we, as Christians, will ignore (for lack of a better word) certain verses because they don't fit what we've already established in our minds to be true, but that is called cognitive dissonance and we're all susceptible to it.

When a presented fact does not fit with our already established facts, the dichotomy does not compute, so we have to discard one of the two facts. Naturally, most of us are going to discard the new fact, and hold onto what we've already established. This is human nature. It does not make one a bad person, or a liar, or a heretic.

In my experience, the only way someone is going to accept new facts is if they come into the conversation with an open mind. Some minds are more open than others, so when you come across a closed mind, insulting that person is not going to help. You're going to get frustrated yes, but the more you show your frustration, the more they close their mind. You can not open someone's mind, they have to do that on their own, but you can close it further, so be careful.
Prophecy 101

“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."
 

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God's promise to the Jewish people===
The Promised Land includes modern-day Israel, including Gaza and the West Bank, and Jordan, as well as parts of Egypt, Syria, Saudi Arabia, and Iraq
Israel and we can trust God.
Israel has yet to claim it all.
When simple, direct statements of fact in God's word are rejected, by saying "That's just your interpretation", it removes all certainty of God's revelation. If the scriptures are God's truth, it is one truth and it must mean what it states, or we are saying language is incapable of conveying certain truth. In that case why did God inspire the Holy Scriptures if they do not convey His truth clearly, in such explicit language?
When you say "God's eternal living Word", do you mean the Bible?
Have you never read the words of The Prophet: "Heaven and earth will pass away but my words will never pass away."
 

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Correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds to me like you're saying that there can be no contradictions in scripture, because it is the word of God. Is that what you're saying?

Not exactly. Yes there are errors in translations and even the promotion and agendas of many false doctrines. Thus, it is only the scriptures by spiritual discernment that are without contradiction. Even so, none of this is coincidence, but God's strength made perfect in weakness and the equal opportunity for all generations to choose life or death set before each by God.
 
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