Truth, honesty, humility, walking in truth, these things are important.
Being self-aware. Understanding how others see us. How we come across to others. I think these are all important.
We can gain, and grow, in love.
Much love!
My prayer as concerning those who fight against me on these boards.
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Being self-aware. Understanding how others see us. How we come across to others. I think these are all important.
We can gain, and grow, in love.
Much love!
No; official Catholic doctrine is that the Pope is only infallible when he speaks ex cathedra.
What is the proof that anyone should be receiving that he is wrong? Not so simple to state, is it? None of us in our flesh likes to be wrong or even worse to admit to someone else that we are wrong. I guess I have missed reading such an admission on your part. I am truly glad to hear that they have happened, because it helps me understand you a little better. I do have you in prayer!
I have found for me that the best thing it to go all the way down to the bottom... as if we did not hold any doctrines or beliefs that we hold and leave ourselves empty and open to God. I try to do this every day. Give God the opportunity to insert in us any assurances or changes that He sees fit to insert. This is my blanket give or take, but on a case by case basis as we actually encounter people, in the flesh or on forums like this one, we do not begin with presumptions about the other guy because of something we have heard or read or experienced about "people like that" [whatever groups we have decided to include within such presumptions].
Anything that is good coming through you is certainly of Him, but also be prepared to denounce in yourself anything that is not from Him. Paul wrote in a quotation from the OT that "every man is a liar" and anyone who is not always in the Spirit and always following the lead of the Spirit, will have "lies" mixed into what he says or teaches or preaches. Unintentional they may be but if they are contrary to God's Truth, they would still be lies.
Who among us never errs by allowing things into his words about the God the things of God which are wrong? Someone who had overcome it all as Jesus did, never lies. But who among us is to that point? There may be some, but I believe we do not know enough to say either, "I am" or "I am not" right there as an overcomer exactly and always where God wants us to be.
Quit trying to walk alone based on 'common sense'. 'Common sense', I believe gets a whole lot of followers of Christ into trouble. What is often common very often is not even good sense and seldom is in accord with God's Word.
You realize that now, but what then were you thinking when you initiated the thread with such a title question? Don't you talk to God regularly asking Him to help you stand always with Him and speak only when He wants to speak ? God is always right. We are only right when we are on His side. We should strive to always be there... but alone we cannot do it. It is impossible for men to stand with God without His help. But... He is always willing to help anyone who is sincerely asking of Him. No matter how close you believe you have come to God... never stop asking of Him and never stop admitting how insufficient your best efforts are in bringing you to His glory. You and I are never so high that we are worthy of Him.
Here it is, the world of the flesh:
"Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.
For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life, is not of the Father, but is of the world.
And the world passeth away, and the lust thereof: but he that doeth the will of God abideth for ever." I John 2:15-17
Good Ministers [=servants], may move beyond or may be moved beyond the lust of the flesh and the lust of the eyes first because they really immersed themselves in the right thing, but then as they were doing so well knowing so much and seeing such accomplishments along comes that third one, the pride of life, and their heads began to swell because they stop admitting to God their own insufficiency...
How clearly can you see His face? Don't stop seeking His face while time remains to you!
I don't know @Blood Bought 1953 so I won't speak of his situation. I have only read his name and cannot remember reading one of his posts. [I read very few posts these days.] Even if he were doing you wrong, you certainly need to learn how to turn that other cheek. Stop trying to do it alone. Ask for God's help. Keep on asking and keep on trying... asking God to take up the slack by adding that which you do not have. God does. Impossible for man but for God all things are possible. If you doubt God's ability, Ask Him to help you with that...
I won't advise you too closely about your wife. There may be a time when it is best to separate from an unbeliever, but with that I would listen closely to God and be very careful about what any man, including myself, tells you to do about your marriage.
I had a pastor when I was very young in the Lord tell me to divorce my wife and he would help me get custody of my children. At the time I had not even read the Bible one time, but I knew the man was wrong. That was back in the 1970's. My wife, [same wife] will celebrate with me our 49th anniversary this year.
As to loving your wife more than God, you do need God to help you with that. Loving your wife is a good thing, but you are out of balance on it as you know. I will be praying with you on it.
What people see in you does matter. You may always fall short, but never confess that it impossible for God. He can fix whatever needs to fixed, but you must pray for it and allow Him to work in you toward that end. Never say, you cannot measure up with His help. There is always room for growth and He will help us. Do not limit God by expressing doubt about His ability. Speak positively and ask God to make it more than words coming out of your mouth.
"...Lord, I believe; help thou mine unbelief." Mark 9:24
"And Jesus looking upon them saith, With men it is impossible, but not with God: for with God all things are possible." Mark 10:27
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Learn to practice as well as say what you believe. On a forum like this you already know there will be some who disagree. You do not have to win them all to your point of view. God may use you, but like Jeremiah you may preach and teach the truth and in the end no one will hear or accept. There is a time to be silent... and it may come before the other guy admits he is wrong. That may never happen. There are other things besides the one argument you cannot win [even being certain that you are right]
You cannot prove a point to the other person's satisfaction unless he is really open to it. You cannot open him! In any case only God gives any real increase to anyone. God may use you, but then again He may not. Don't push on it and get yourself into trouble with God as well as with man.
Remember that you want to communicate with people. Without compromising sometimes adjustments will accomplish God's will in the things. Don't press too hard and do not presume a person is completely wrong because he differs from you. You also may be wrong on points you believe.
Perhaps!
Actually I sometimes bypass you as well: Him for his content and you for your often too adamant tone especially when I am physically weary [very often these days].
In most cases I am more likely to agree with you than with him as he seldom has anything of his own. I don't need to hear repeatedly the official statements [doctrines or dogmas or whatever] of his church.
While I might discuss a thing with you, usually there are lots of others around who cover nearly every conceivable point. You already know that I do not agree with every thing you believe. And ... there are way too many people talking about too many things these days for me to keep up... so I must be selective...
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That's right, the two greatest commandments sum up the ten not replace them. Great point.
amigo de christo
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Come unto me all ye who are weary and I shall give Rest unto your souls .
Amadeus , i have found great peace in just keeping things simple . All the extra doctrines are just a nightmare .
Lets just keep it simple . Paul and them knew , TO be saved ONE had to beleive in JESUS , so they simply went out
and preached HIM and GOD gave the increase . Known unto GOD are those who will hear and those who will reject .
This is not known unto us . SO , lets just keep it simple and preach Christ and him crucified and teach HIS sayings
and the teachings also of the apostels and feast daily on our bibles .
Way too many folks get so far into mens doctrines that all they can do is continue to strive , and the doctrine of men
become their whole battle . WHEN all we had to do was just learn JESUS in that bible , and follow HIM
and just feast on all sound doctrine . I steer far and wide from entering into thoughts too high for me ,
ITS so peaceful just teaching the bible , JESUS , HIS sayings and simply having ALL HOPE above on HIM .
So, where I do not measure up, His grace has to cover me or I will never enter into the kingdom. For I cannot measure up.
Therefore, my only hope is His forgiveness and grace and I have to give up on trying to be righteous as a way to obtain favour with God. It is easy for me to fall into that trap; because the Lord has called me to preach the law as a schoolmaster to lead men to Christ and sometimes I can be blinded by my own preaching and forget that the purpose of it is to bring people to the end of themselves so that they stop trying to attain righteousness by law-keeping and so that they can obtain the righteousness of faith.
I do believe that in my battles with @Blood Bought 1953, in the heat of the battle in attempting to defend myself against his accusations, I have overcompensated and preached the law even more strongly; and in this I believe I have forgotten about the grace of the Lord in my attempt to better preach the law as a schoolmaster to lead men to Christ; and in my attempt to fight against the accusations that were leveled against me. Because the fact that I was accused made me dig in my heels and fight even harder to prove my point.
Nevertheless, even though I have again come to the realization that I am saved by grace and that my performance has nothing to do with my salvation, I will probably still continue to preach the law as a schoolmaster to lead men to Christ.
This post contains everything that I have been saying in here for months...if you truly believe these things, as I do......we seem to be in complete agreement.....our debate is over....
I have NO problem with anybody preaching Law—- just as long as they understand it’s true purpose, which as you say is to “ bring us to the End Of Ourselves” , “close our mouths” and lead us to the Savior.... it us the EXACT thing I have been saying...
Your understanding of Grace is also “Spot-On”......it is our “ Reasonable Service” to do our best to live a life that pleases God and the 613 Commandments Point the way to do that—— we do them for our Own Good! They are great, but they are not the recipe for Salvation.....Obedience to the Laws Of God will get you blessed—— they will NOT get you saved! ( by the deeds of the Law— NO Flesh will be Justified)..... It is putting your TOTAL FAITH in the Shed Blood Of Jesus and His Finished Work at the Cross That Saves........... it is Grace from Start to Finish...... Grace covers all of those sins that we are unaware of ( the thousands of Sins Of Omission, for example ) and it covers all sins that we do not have the Super Memory or Good Fortune to “ catch” before we die.....
We agree on so many things.....if you are in agreement with my last sentence in the previous paragraph —— our “feud” is over ......and forgotten. May God bless us both in the understanding of these things....
Therefore, my only hope is His forgiveness and grace and I have to give up on trying to be righteous as a way to obtain favour with God. It is easy for me to fall into that trap; because the Lord has called me to preach the law as a schoolmaster to lead men to Christ and sometimes I can be blinded by my own preaching and forget that the purpose of it is to bring people to the end of themselves so that they stop trying to attain righteousness by law-keeping and so that they can obtain the righteousness of faith.
I do believe that in my battles with @Blood Bought 1953, in the heat of the battle in attempting to defend myself against his accusations, I have overcompensated and preached the law even more strongly; and in this I believe I have forgotten about the grace of the Lord in my attempt to better preach the law as a schoolmaster to lead men to Christ; and in my attempt to fight against the accusations that were leveled against me. Because the fact that I was accused made me dig in my heels and fight even harder to prove my point.
Nevertheless, even though I have again come to the realization that I am saved by grace and that my performance has nothing to do with my salvation, I will probably still continue to preach the law as a schoolmaster to lead men to Christ.
This post contains everything that I have been saying in here for months...if you truly believe these things, as I do......we seem to be in complete agreement.....our debate is over....
I have NO problem with anybody preaching Law—- just as long as they understand it’s true purpose, which as you say is to “ bring us to the End Of Ourselves” , “close our mouths” and lead us to the Savior.... it us the EXACT thing I have been saying...
Your understanding of Grace is also “Spot-On”......it is our “ Reasonable Service” to do our best to live a life that pleases God and the 613 Commandments Point the way to do that—— we do them for our Own Good! They are great, but they are not the recipe for Salvation.....Obedience to the Laws Of God will get you blessed—— they will NOT get you saved! ( by the deeds of the Law— NO Flesh will be Justified)..... It is putting your TOTAL FAITH in the Shed Blood Of Jesus and His Finished Work at the Cross That Saves........... it is Grace from Start to Finish...... Grace covers all of those sins that we are unaware of ( the thousands of Sins Of Omission, for example ) and it covers all sins that we do not have the Super Memory or Good Fortune to “ catch” before we die.....
We agree on so many things.....if you are in agreement with my last sentence in the previous paragraph —— our “feud” is over ......and forgotten. May God bless us both in the understanding of these things....
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Actually, they explain how to keep them, Sum up would not be a proper fit,
if I love my neighbor, I will not covet
if I love my spouse I will not commit adultery
if I love my parents I will honor them.
It’s when our love turns to self in pride, we fall into sin, and that sin will eventually lead to breaking one of the ten,
Grace?
does this grace free us from keeping the commandments (as in Christ did it for us) or does it actually enable us to be holy and keep the commandments faithfully?
God makes it simple for people who only understand simple. For people willing and able to dig in deeper that is there as well... but sometimes that can be a dangerous thing for a person already tending to be proud of his abilities and accomplishments. This is include in what Jesus said here:
"Then said Jesus unto his disciples, Verily I say unto you, That a rich man shall hardly enter into the kingdom of heaven.
And again I say unto you, It is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God." Matt 19:23-24
Jesus is not talking only about money [as in "green back dollar bill" or "coin of the realm"] but that is also included. People with high I.Q.s, or an extensive educations, or born in a materially rich countries or countries with greater political and religious freedoms, or to a richer than the average family, or a person with very good physical health... and so forth... are all include in the words of Jesus. They have all of that stuff in their way standing effectively between them and God. They can still make it but the pathway is a more difficult one. Jesus clarifies what is to required of them versus what may be required of a poor man [in the same sense poor] here:
"But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more." Luke 12:48
Much is given... much is required! Americans are from my own experience frequently guilty of missing this point. More Americans are rich in the things I mentioned and others than probably in most or even all of the countries on planet Earth today. Are they doing more as individuals? Consider what Jesus says here:
"And Jesus sat over against the treasury, and beheld how the people cast money into the treasury: and many that were rich cast in much.
And there came a certain poor widow, and she threw in two mites, which make a farthing.
And he called unto him his disciples, and saith unto them, Verily I say unto you, That this poor widow hath cast more in, than all they which have cast into the treasury:
For all they did cast in of their abundance; but she of her want did cast in all that she had, even all her living." Mark 12:41-44
amigo de christo
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What a highly intellectual thinker i once was . World wise and proud of all that knowledge i had learned .
Praise GOD for drawing me to Christ . That mind was changed . I became dumb to that wisdom
through the knowledge of the truth .
Its as though i went from being a highly intellectual world wise man to being a simple small child .
OH but what a beauty this truly is . Let all praise the glorious and wonderful Lord .
I once thought i saw , but was made blind and now do SEE . OH let the Lord be praised . Yes indeed .
As the saying goes i once was blind but now i see . OH we need the LORD at all times . Without HIM we cannot do a thing .
Praise GOD for drawing me to Christ . That mind was changed . I became dumb to that wisdom
through the knowledge of the truth .
Its as though i went from being a highly intellectual world wise man to being a simple small child .
OH but what a beauty this truly is . Let all praise the glorious and wonderful Lord .
I once thought i saw , but was made blind and now do SEE . OH let the Lord be praised . Yes indeed .
As the saying goes i once was blind but now i see . OH we need the LORD at all times . Without HIM we cannot do a thing .
amigo de christo
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Oh when i spoke of all the extra doctrines , i was not speaking about doctrine in the bible .
Its all this calvin stuff , or rome stuff or etc . mens doctrines . Those are a nightmare unto the soul
Oh but every word of GOD is prescious . Let us glean the truth from our bible . And the SPIRIT
shall reveal as we ought to know . God keeps the lambs . And WHEN HE knows we need to know , HE lets us know
as we need to know . But let not pride infect any . For God gave unto lucifer the most gifts in heaven .
BUT HE became enamored with the gifts and himself . And many have fallen for the same pattern .
Let us seek GOD and the things of GOD , for the reason that we can simply serve HIM better . Let us be lowly
and just seek to exalt HIM in all things .
Its all this calvin stuff , or rome stuff or etc . mens doctrines . Those are a nightmare unto the soul
Oh but every word of GOD is prescious . Let us glean the truth from our bible . And the SPIRIT
shall reveal as we ought to know . God keeps the lambs . And WHEN HE knows we need to know , HE lets us know
as we need to know . But let not pride infect any . For God gave unto lucifer the most gifts in heaven .
BUT HE became enamored with the gifts and himself . And many have fallen for the same pattern .
Let us seek GOD and the things of GOD , for the reason that we can simply serve HIM better . Let us be lowly
and just seek to exalt HIM in all things .
You don’t have a choice of doctrines few or many but can only reject or believe what God has revealed who can neither deceive or be deceived!
the church teaches Matt 28:19 and we must accept instruction Lk 1:4
the church teaches Matt 28:19 and we must accept instruction Lk 1:4
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