Nebuchadnezzar's Statue vs. Heads of the Beast - How Would You Link Them?

[ewq1938]

"kingdoms" ? In Revelation 17:17, it says "kingdom" singular.

A king has one kingdom, not multiple kingdoms.

In Revelation 17:17 For God hath put in their hearts to fulfil his will, and to agree, and give their kingdom unto the beast, until the words of God shall be fulfilled.

In Daniel 7:23-24, the singular kingdom is that of the fourth beast. The ten horns (ten kings) arise out of the fourth kingdom.

Each king has a smaller kingdom within the larger global beast kingdom.

23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

The fourth kingdom was the Roman Empire.

No. Daniels 4th kingdom was defeated by a coming of God and judgement day which is not how Rome fell. The first 3 kingdoms also continue on after the 4th kingdom is destroyed. Nothing matches Rome.

The ten kings will arise out of the Roman Empire manifested in the end times - the EU.

Daniel does not say the horns of the defeated beast live on centuries later. The entire beast kingdom and it's horns are destroyed in Daniel 7 and no part rises up again in the future.

The 7 heads, as representing 7 kings in Revelation 17:10, are 7 kings that do not rule at the same time, but are sequential as indicated by the text.

No, the heads are mountains and the ten horns are kings. The heads/mountains are not kings.

The 7 heads exist at the same time but the 7 kings are consecutive and do not exist at the same time which proves the heads are not also the 7 kings. For your interp to work all the 7 kings have to exist at the same time but the text specifically says they do not since most have died very long ago.

 

[Davy]

A king has one kingdom, not multiple kingdoms.

Not what Daniel 7 & 8 and Revelation 17 shows.

The "ten horns" of the beast kingdom represents "ten kings" we are told, both in Daniel and in Rev.17. Dan.7 shows the "little horn", an 11th king, will come up among the ten horns, and will subdue 3 of the ten kings. That is pointing to a structure for the beast at the end that will have the "little horn" king over it all, then a 3 king division, and then a remainder 7 king division of the earth. So just as per old history, like in ancient Ireland, they had a great king over many other lower kings.

No. Daniels 4th kingdom was defeated by a coming of God and judgement day which is not how Rome fell. The first 3 kingdoms also continue on after the 4th kingdom is destroyed. Nothing matches Rome.

The actual Daniel 7 Scripture reveals the 4th beast linked with the final beast kingdom at the end of this world. It has not... been destroyed yet; it hasn't even manifested on earth yet today, but will at the very end of this world.

What settles this apparent 4th beast, 4th kingdom, confusion is the Daniel 2 Scripture that describes the Stone that will smite the final beast upon its feet of part iron mixed with part clay, and the WHOLE BEAST STATUE comes tumbling down TOGETHER; and then God's Eternal Kingdom is then setup forever (See Daniel 2:34-35).

The final beast of the feet represents the FINAL BEAST KINGDOM, and it will include all the PREVIOUS BEASTS WITH IT. That is what the coming "one world government" and "New Word Order" will be about when false-Messiah arrives in Jerusalem.

 

[Exegesis]

The problem I see with that is this...

The Daniel 2:34-35 Scripture shows the beast statue is struck upon its feet of part iron and part clay, and then the WHOLE comes tumbling down TOGETHER. And then an everlasting Kingdom is setup in its place.

Dan 2:34-35
34 Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.

35 Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.
KJV

That "stone" represents Lord Jesus Christ, and His future coming to destroy that beast.

The idea of all those pieces being broken 'together' means they ALL are together into ONE beast at the END of this world.

I agree with the above.

Thus the feet of ten toes of part iron and part clay actually represents a 5th beast in final at the end of this world that will carry all... the others. It will be the beast described in Revelation 13:1.

There is a lot of debate on the semantics of the terminology in Daniel, but yeah we are looking at the Beast in Revelation 13:1.

A "one world government" is the globalist's plan for the end. That is not headed by the EU. Those pointing to the EU are only using it as a mask. Globalists are located all over the world in many parts of the world. The secret Occult fraternities are a major part of that establishing of a New Word Order, as they have members in just about every nation, including Islamic nations. And they teach that all religions are equal, which is a prerequisite to the coming false-Messiah's one-world religion. He will claim they all are pointing to him as their savior, including Christianity.

That is a common view. I have studied those subjects most of my life. My opinion is that it is much worse than that, but that will have to wait for another day.

 

[Exegesis]

I appreciate the responses. I apologize if I do not respond. Things are getting busy for me in my 9 to 5 slave life.

 

[Jay Ross]

I believe that the main problem is trying to relate the Statue of Daniel 2 with the Beasts of Daniel 7 as being one and the same entity. This is not so. The statue prophecy is describing the nation entities that will/have exercised dominion over the land of Babylon from the Time of king Neb up and until this present time today.

The Daniel 7 prophecy is describing the Heavenly host who have exercised influence over people, people groups, kingdoms and empires although the people, people groups kingdoms and empires that have had dominion over Babylon may have also been influenced by the beastly heavenly hosts to do their bidding in oppressing other people, people groups, kingdoms or empires.

In around 20 years time the Kings of the earth will be judged for the parts that they have played in trampling God's sanctuary and His earthly hosts while the heavenly host beasts will also be judged and their influence over people on the earth drastically restrained for a time during the summer harvest season until they are released during the Little While period where they will come out against God's saints before the final time of Judgement.

Shalom

 

[CTK]

Not what Daniel 7 & 8 and Revelation 17 shows.

The "ten horns" of the beast kingdom represents "ten kings" we are told, both in Daniel and in Rev.17. Dan.7 shows the "little horn", an 11th king, will come up among the ten horns, and will subdue 3 of the ten kings. That is pointing to a structure for the beast at the end that will have the "little horn" king over it all, then a 3 king division, and then a remainder 7 king division of the earth. So just as per old history, like in ancient Ireland, they had a great king over many other lower kings.



The actual Daniel 7 Scripture reveals the 4th beast linked with the final beast kingdom at the end of this world. It has not... been destroyed yet; it hasn't even manifested on earth yet today, but will at the very end of this world.

What settles this apparent 4th beast, 4th kingdom, confusion is the Daniel 2 Scripture that describes the Stone that will smite the final beast upon its feet of part iron mixed with part clay, and the WHOLE BEAST STATUE comes tumbling down TOGETHER; and then God's Eternal Kingdom is then setup forever (See Daniel 2:34-35).

The final beast of the feet represents the FINAL BEAST KINGDOM, and it will include all the PREVIOUS BEASTS WITH IT. That is what the coming "one world government" and "New Word Order" will be about when false-Messiah arrives in Jerusalem.

Davy, did you ever consider that 2:34 and 2:35 do not represent the same event or the same time of the events they refer to? That 2:34, the Stone (Messiah) struck the feet (only) and broke apart the two elements within the feet - the iron and clay elements. While 2:35 does indeed represent the end of times when He will return an separate the wheat from the tares.

This is necessary since the Stone only refers to Jesus and He uses this to show how His first coming will sybolically strike the feet and break apart the clay from within the 4th kingdom of iron. This of course is Rome, and the clay represents the Jews that were captive within the powerful Roman Empire. In the "Interpretation Sequence" verses of chapter two, 2:40-45, God gives us the details of those events that take place AFTER the Stone has struck the feet. Without going into detail, this will now cause the clay to be broken away from the iron and we will find two different types of clay after the striking... the "pottery clay" represents those Jews who would accept Jesus as their Messiah and go out into the pagan world preaching the Good News. However, most at that time will be "ceramic clay" or thos Jews who rejected Jesus because they had a "hardened" heart." God could not use them as the "Potter" because they would not place their beliefs in the Messiah. They would continue in their pre-cross Jewish faith. So, chapte 2 proivides us with God's grand plan of salvation - He gives us His 4 kingdoms where all of His prophecies will be placed, and then He gives us the only two actions or events within His plan - His first coming where He will establish His church 2:34, and when He returns - 2:35.

Again, God then provides the macro view details of His plan in 2:40-45 and these verses fit within the "Dream Sequence" verses - big picture of the 4 kingdoms...


There is an awlful lot of activity and events that will take place in the coming chapters - almost all focusing of the Jews return to Jerusalem and awaiting their Messiah to arrive on the first day of the 70th week of years prophecy. But none of this could be interperted properly if 2:34 is misinterpreted... God's plan of salvation is presented in a few different ways - but always maintains the structure - same 4 kingdoms... same actors, etc.

In chapter 2, He gives us the blueprint of this prophetic structure - the borders and boundaries of the 4 and ony 4 kingdoms within His plan of restoration and salvation. This is at the kingdom level. In chapter 7, He gives us another view from a different angle - one from a "kings" view, and then in chapter 8, He gives us another view (same kingdoms) but this time He wants us to focus on the "horns" or powers that He reveals to get more of His prophecies revealed.

When one can interpret the verses / prophecies in Daniel and have His story be 100% consistent through these 12 chapters while ensuring these 4 kingdoms and their events all speak without contradiction, then you can see His messages ...

Just something to consider....

 

[Davy]

That is a common view. I have studied those subjects most of my life. My opinion is that it is much worse than that, but that will have to wait for another day.

I don't see how it can get any worse than a believer on Jesus Christ bowing in worship 'by mistake' to a fake Messiah which comes first working great signs and wonders. That kind of thing is actually what Apostle Paul was pointing to when he pulled from the parable about the barren woman of Isaiah 54, saying he wanted to present those in Christ to Him as "a chaste virgin" (2 Corinthians 11). Lord Jesus used that barren metaphor also to the deceived Jews that wept for Him on His way to be crucified (Luke 23:

Luke 23:27-31
27 And there followed Him a great company of people, and of women, which also bewailed and lamented Him.

28 But Jesus turning unto them said, "Daughters of Jerusalem, weep not for Me, but weep for yourselves, and for your children.

29 For, behold, the days are coming, in the which they shall say, 'Blessed are the barren, and the wombs that never bare, and the paps which never gave suck.'

30 Then shall they begin to say to the mountains, 'Fall on us'; and to the hills, 'Cover us.'

31 For if they do these things in a green tree, what shall be done in the dry?"
KJV

 

[Davy]

Davy, did you ever consider that 2:34 and 2:35 do not represent the same event or the same time of the events they refer to?

You don't expect me to take your above statement seriously, do you? It does not make sense. The Daniel 2:34-35 Scripture is very simple, and just to make sure its simplicity is understood, its events are repeated... in that same Daniel 2 Chapter for emphasis...

Dan 2:34-35
34 Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.

35 Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.
KJV

That last phrase above in red of course, is about the establishing of Christ's future Kingdom at His future return. That establishes when the end of that above prophecy will be. Therefore, the start of that beast system has to be within that same generation, at the end of this world just prior to Jesus' future return. This is so easy, I feel guilty having to try and explain it, because that Scripture is written in such simplicity. So ask yourself, why would you, or anyone else, want to try and change what it says as written?


Later on in that same Daniel 2 Chapter, those same events are repeated...

Dan 2:44-45
44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

45 Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.
KJV

Just to make sure... those events of Dan.2:34-35 actually means what it says, as written, we are given a REPEAT for emphasis, but with a more sure wording of the time of those kings being in the days when God will set up His future Kingdom, and break in pieces and consume all those false kingdoms setup at the very end of this world. That aligns with the Revelation 17 Scripture about the "ten horns" (ten kings) also, as it shows all 10 kings reign concurrently with the beast.

And when God repeats... a matter in His Word like that, within the same Chapter, that is for emphasis, meaning we are especially to pay attention to what is said, not instead trying to change what it says.

 

[CTK]

You don't expect me to take your above statement seriously, do you? It does not make sense. The Daniel 2:34-35 Scripture is very simple, and just to make sure its simplicity is understood, its events are repeated... in that same Daniel 2 Chapter for emphasis...

Dan 2:34-35
34 Thou sawest till that a stone was cut out without hands, which smote the image upon his feet that were of iron and clay, and brake them to pieces.

35 Then was the iron, the clay, the brass, the silver, and the gold, broken to pieces together, and became like the chaff of the summer threshingfloors; and the wind carried them away, that no place was found for them: and the stone that smote the image became a great mountain, and filled the whole earth.
KJV

That last phrase above in red of course, is about the establishing of Christ's future Kingdom at His future return. That establishes when the end of that above prophecy will be. Therefore, the start of that beast system has to be within that same generation, at the end of this world just prior to Jesus' future return. This is so easy, I feel guilty having to try and explain it, because that Scripture is written in such simplicity. So ask yourself, why would you, or anyone else, want to try and change what it says as written?


Later on in that same Daniel 2 Chapter, those same events are repeated...

Dan 2:44-45
44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.

45 Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.
KJV

Just to make sure... those events of Dan.2:34-35 actually means what it says, as written, we are given a REPEAT for emphasis, but with a more sure wording of the time of those kings being in the days when God will set up His future Kingdom, and break in pieces and consume all those false kingdoms setup at the very end of this world. That aligns with the Revelation 17 Scripture about the "ten horns" (ten kings) also, as it shows all 10 kings reign concurrently with the beast.

And when God repeats... a matter in His Word like that, within the same Chapter, that is for emphasis, meaning we are especially to pay attention to what is said, not instead trying to change what it says.

Well , I understand your comments… I do believe that 99.999% of folks believe what you mentioned, but that is what they have been taught and also because the two verses follow each other.

But these verses in the “Dream Sequence,” are given to us to reflect God’s establishing His structure of His plan of restoration and salvation for His people as they return to Jerusalem, and then, to all mankind (after He is rejected by His people and the Good News is preached to the world).

God establishes the 4 kingdoms where ALL of His prophecies will be placed / take place. Thus, He ensures we understand what kingdom and what time periods His prophecies belong in .

The only other verses in His “Dream Sequence,” are verses 2:34-35. And they do represent His first and second coming.

He comes as the Stone striking the feet (only) breaking apart the iron and the clay only. He is the Stone the builders rejected (2:34).

Verse 2:35 represents the return of Jesus - now referred to as a “Mountain.” The Stone has become a great “Mountain.” Further, if you look at the specific language in 2:35, Daniel continues to use a metaphor of the end time harvest - the threshing floor…. This only takes place at the harvest time —- not when Jesus came the first time.

But in order to see this, one has to understand how God is presenting His plan - these verses are His big picture , His blueprint that covers from Babylon to His second coming. Thus, He is only giving us the “structure” (kingdoms) where everything takes place and then, the only two actions or events that matter- His first coming to “set up or establish” His kingdom on the earth, and His return.

Finally, if you continue this approach in viewing presenting His plan of restoration and salvation within chapter 2, you will come to those “detail” verses known as the Interpretation Sequence” verses in chapter 2 where He provides the most important events that will take place BETWEEN 2:34-35.

The Interpretation Sequence verses in 2:40-45 give us those most important events that occur AFTER the cross and before His return.

So, try and interpret 2:40-45! Verse 2:40 is easy, but what do the rest of these verse tell us?

Now that God has given us His “blueprint or formal structure” where all of His prophecies will take place, He will then reveal more of the activity that takes place within these 4 kingdoms- chapter’s 7-12.
Chapters 7-12- same 4 kingdoms, same actors, but He will have us focus on these 4 kingdoms in different ways so He can reveal so much more…

The Stone that strikes the feet of the 4th kingdom - Rome, symbolically breaks apart His people, the Jews (clay) from symbolical captivity of the Roman Empire.

Daniel is THE most complicated and enigmatic book in Scripture and it is not as “easy” to interpret as you may believe.

So, before you write this off, I would respectfully ask you to try and interpret the verses 2:41-45.
They will confirm this approach and allow one to then properly interpret the later chapters in Daniel.
Let me know if you like to attempt this — I have not found anyone that has interpreted these verses yet.

Too difficult!

 

[MatthewG]

I don't think hitler is on my list. It's just to far out there, in my opinion.

 

[Davy]

Well , I understand your comments… I do believe that 99.999% of folks believe what you mentioned, but that is what they have been taught and also because the two verses follow each other.

Nah... that's just your... false assumption based on what YOU have been taught by MEN. What I showed you is the pure Word of God that needs no finagled fancy beat around the bush interpretation. It means exactly what it says, as written. The difference between you and I is that you would rather listen to men's doctrines instead of heeding the simplicity of The Word of God. Thus for that reason your understanding is obviously cut off.

 

[CTK]

Nah... that's just your... false assumption based on what YOU have been taught by MEN. What I showed you is the pure Word of God that needs no finagled fancy beat around the bush interpretation. It means exactly what it says, as written. The difference between you and I is that you would rather listen to men's doctrines instead of heeding the simplicity of The Word of God. Thus for that reason your understanding is obviously cut off.

You have a nice day.

 

[Exegesis]

Hi @CTK .

I would like to understand the following if you have time:

But these verses in the “Dream Sequence,” are given to us to reflect God’s establishing His structure of His plan of restoration and salvation for His people as they return to Jerusalem, and then, to all mankind (after He is rejected by His people and the Good News is preached to the world).

Has all of the above already happened? The returning to Jerusalem was before Jesus was born, correct? In other words, this is not referring to 1948, etc., correct?

This sounds like a Preterist view:

The Stone that strikes the feet of the 4th kingdom - Rome, symbolically breaks apart His people, the Jews (clay) from symbolical captivity of the Roman Empire.

How do you interpret this verse?

Daniel 2:43 "And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay."

Thanks.

 

[CTK]

Hi @CTK .

I would like to understand the following if you have time:



Has all of the above already happened? The returning to Jerusalem was before Jesus was born, correct? In other words, this is not referring to 1948, etc., correct?

I apologize if my comments to Davy above were not clear... it is difficult to incorporate everything that one believes in such a brief response....

The book of Daniel was written for the Jews. They were sent into exile to Babylon in 606 BC as punishment for disobeying God. But God would have Daniel write down all the events that he would experience while in Babylon during those 70 years. Essentially, these early chapters represented God's introduction to Nebuchadnezzar as the One true God and all of His attempts to have him recognize Him not just as Daniel's God but as His God as well. Fortunately for him, Nebuchadnezzar did come to accept Daniel's God as his God.

But God would also give Daniel His prophecies that covered the period from Babylon to the end of time, with the majority of these events / prophecies to take place before the end of the 70 weeks of years prophecy or 3.5 years after the cross. Clearly, Babylon, Medes-Persia, and Greece came to power before Imperial or pagan Rome conquered the known world (before Christ). When we take a look at chapters 2,7 and 8, I think you might agree that it is fairly easy to identify those verses that speak specifically to the first 3 kingdoms. In fact, God does not spend much time talking about them.... but the 4th kingdom of Imperial / pagan Rome is spoken of more than the other 3 kingdoms combined. It really dominates the book of Daniel in the later chapters.... this is of course, when the Messiah arrives, is crucified and establishes His church on the earth.

So the key is to be able to identify what kingdom, what actor, what time period are God's prophetic verses speaking to... and yes, most are speaking to this 4th kingdom. This is the time when the Jews are restored back in Jerusalem, they have reinstuted the Holy feast days, the Sabbatical cycles, the Levitical ceremonies.... everything is back the way it was prior to their exile.... with one exception - the Ark of the Covenant which was taken away and hidden by Jeremiah just before the Babylonians came to take the Jews away. This is critical because this is the only piece of furniture that was taken away or destroyed by the Babylonians that could not be restored by the Jews.

So God provided Daniel with the 70 weeks of years prophecy which predicted their return to Jerusalem, the restoration of their life style, the streets and walls, etc. This was indeed fully and completely restored by the Jews by the end of th 69th week (483 years srom 457 BC). Meaning, the only piece of furniture yet to be restored is the Ark and that could only be restored by God - in the form of Jesus, and He would be baptized in the Jordan on the first day of the 70th week. This would be the start of His ministry and was set aside for the final 7 years of the prophecy.

So most of Daniel speaks up to the end of this 70 weeks of years prophecy. This book is not about the 4 kingdoms or their conflicts but about the complete restoration of the Jews back to Jerusalem and the coming of their Messiah. There is nothing more important that recognizing the Book of Daniel was all about their restoration from Babylon and preparing for their coming Messiah.

This sounds like a Preterist view:

Well, I really / honestly do not use these terms because they really don't provide us with an understanding of His prophecies. Does a preterist mean that everything in Daniel already took place? Of course not. Does a futurist mean that everything takes place in the future - the end times? Of course not. One has to read and study His Word and it will tell us His Story.... He tells His Story through the 4 kingdoms as His people travel back to Jerusalem over the many years.

How do you interpret this verse?

Daniel 2:43 "And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay."
Thanks.

Well, I am surprised you brough forward 2:43 instead of 2:41 which begins some of the most complicated verses in Daniel. It would not make any sense by answering this question on a stand alone basis.... I would not understand my response to this if I did not already unpack 2:34, then 2:41-42. The key is 2:34 which tells us the Stone (Messiah) came to strike the feet (only) within the iron kingdom of Imperial / pagan Rome. This "striking" did not destroy the metal man image, but it did break "into pieces" the iron and the clay elements within the feet only. The iron, whether in the legs or within the feet represented the 4th kingdom of Imperial / pagan Rome. And tucked away within those feet of iron was the Jewish nation / people / God's people, Rome had indeed conquered the known world and this included God's people (remember, this prophecy is all about returning His people back to Jerusalem, and before Jesus would be baptized in the Jordan, there were indeed held captive within Rome). So, symbolically, God gave Daniel this prophecy where this Stone would break apart His people (the clay) from the iron kingdom (not in a military way, but spiritually separate His people by His coming).

Consequenlty, 2:34 is His first coming, and these difficult verses in 2:41-45 speak to those things that will take place as a direct result of His arrival / crucifixion. Verse 2:45 is clearly connected to 2:35 - the true end time return of Jesus, but between 2:34 and 2:35 we find those prophecies given to us by God that result within the 4th kingdom (beginning with the cross, the establishment of His church, the demise of Imperial Rome, the coming of the little horn, the appropriation of His church by the little horn, and this little horn will continue until the return of Christ where it will be destroyed without human hands (God).

Now, if you would like to take two steps back in these chapter 2 verses before we get to 2:43, and discuss 2:41-42, that would make more sense. As you probably know, 2:40 clearly identifies this kingdom as Imperial / pagan Rome - further, this is the 4th kingdom that will crush all the other kingdoms and become the world ruler after Greece. This should also tell us that if 2:40 is Rome, and it is, then the Stone certainly did not come to destroy the metal man statute.

So, would you mind offering your interpretation of 2:41? Will you please identify the actors, the time of this event, what is going on? Thanks.

 

[Exegesis]

Right on @CTK . I will check out your post and get back to you.

 

[Exegesis]

...everything is back the way it was prior to their exile.... with one exception - the Ark of the Covenant which was taken away and hidden by Jeremiah just before the Babylonians came to take the Jews away. This is critical because this is the only piece of furniture that was taken away or destroyed by the Babylonians that could not be restored by the Jews.

Thanks @CTK for bringing this up. I need to take a closer look at this situation.

Meaning, the only piece of furniture yet to be restored is the Ark and that could only be restored by God - in the form of Jesus...

Sprinkling blood on the Ark was very important. How was this accomplished?

Hebrews 12:24 "And to Jesus the mediator of the new covenant, and to the blood of sprinkling, that speaketh better things than that of Abel."

Sprinkled where? Without an Ark, this seems to be a problem.

So, symbolically, God gave Daniel this prophecy where this Stone would break apart His people (the clay) from the iron kingdom (not in a military way, but spiritually separate His people by His coming).

Interesting take.

Consequenlty, 2:34 is His first coming,

That is what I was curious about. I can see how the text can be interpreted that way.

...and these difficult verses in 2:41-45 speak to those things that will take place as a direct result of His arrival / crucifixion. Verse 2:45 is clearly connected to 2:35 - the true end time return of Jesus, but between 2:34 and 2:35 we find those prophecies given to us by God that result within the 4th kingdom (beginning with the cross, the establishment of His church, the demise of Imperial Rome, the coming of the little horn, the appropriation of His church by the little horn, and this little horn will continue until the return of Christ where it will be destroyed without human hands (God).

I see. Instead of cultural appropriation, the Little Horn did religious appropriation. Or maybe he did both. How rude... lol.

So, would you mind offering your interpretation of 2:41? Will you please identify the actors, the time of this event, what is going on? Thanks.

I think you already saw some of my interpretations on another forum. They don't quite align with yours, but that is typical for this topic. Everyone sees it differently. I will hopefully make a new thread on this when I get time.

 

[CTK]

Thanks @CTK for bringing this up. I need to take a closer look at this situation.

The different elements, the Temple, the sacred vessels, the Ark, etc., were taken or destroyed in a certain order. And they were all restored in that order in reverse with Jesus coming on the first day of the 70th week of the prophecy... since the Ark was the first item taken away by Jeremiah... this was of course purposeful... the Ark would never be found again because it would be replaced by Jesus.

Sprinkling blood on the Ark was very important. How was this accomplished?

The cross is where the blood was poured out.

Sprinkled where? Without an Ark, this seems to be a problem.

Jesus represented the Presence of God and His blood was indeed poured out for our sins.

Interesting take.



That is what I was curious about. I can see how the text can be interpreted that way.



I see. Instead of cultural appropriation, the Little Horn did religious appropriation. Or maybe he did both. How rude... lol.



I think you already saw some of my interpretations on another forum. They don't quite align with yours, but that is typical for this topic. Everyone sees it differently. I will hopefully make a new thread on this when I get time.

Do you have an interpretation for 2:41? Thanks.

 

[Exegesis]

The cross is where the blood was poured out.

Jesus represented the Presence of God and His blood was indeed poured out for our sins.

This aligns with my belief that the Holy Place was indeed Jesus when the crucifixion occurred:

Matthew 24:15 "When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:)"

I will be adding that to my notes.

Do you have an interpretation for 2:41? Thanks.

Sure:

Daniel 2:41 "And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters’ clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay."

My Interpretation: This is where the world is now. The planet is a divided kingdom. In other words, we have nations of all languages and races, generally separated into various countries, etc. This would be the miry clay. Although the power, might and technological craftiness of the Roman Empire fizzled out, its influence is still with us today. This would be the iron.

• Miry Clay: Human Race
• Iron: Strength, Power, Might, Iron Fist Rule, Economic Prosperity, Roman Law, Technological Craftiness, Spirit World, Etc.

The list is long as to the symbolism of iron.

 

[Exegesis]

I don't think hitler is on my list. It's just to far out there, in my opinion.

Yeah, an evil ruler that persecutes and destroys millions of God's set aside people is so unbiblical. What was I thinking?

It's all about that mean old Pope whos going to force us all to go to church on Sunday to fellowship and worship Jesus.

Can you imagine people going to Church on Sunday? That has to be the Mark of the Beast.

 

[MatthewG]

Yeah, an evil ruler that persecutes and destroys millions of God's set aside people is so unbiblical. What was I thinking?

It's all about that mean old Pope whos going to force us all to go to church on Sunday to fellowship and worship Jesus.

Can you imagine people going to Church on Sunday? That has to be the Mark of the Beast.

Evil is inherit within all of us. Idk what to say, I know I can be bent to do evil if I wanted to do so.