New Zealand to ban smoking

[Marymog]

If you read through the thread you will see I have pretty much answered your question.

You are willing to give up some liberty to keep people safe if they themselves won't choose safety. Where in the constitution does it say that it is YOUR responsibility or the governments responsibility to keep others safe from bad choices?

If a person chooses to smoke they are not being safe. What about ice cream, cookies, soda, chips and unsafe sporting activities such as sky diving, bungee cord jumping, gun enthusiast etc? Should the liberty of those choices be taken away also? When does it end? It’s a slippery slope…

Give me liberty or give me death…..

 

[Naomanos]

You are willing to give up some liberty to keep people safe if they themselves won't choose safety. Where in the constitution does it say that it is YOUR responsibility or the governments responsibility to keep others safe from bad choices?

If a person chooses to smoke they are not being safe. What about ice cream, cookies, soda, chips and unsafe sporting activities such as sky diving, bungee cord jumping, gun enthusiast etc? Should the liberty of those choices be taken away also? When does it end? It’s a slippery slope…

Give me liberty or give me death…..

I will agree to disagree.

 

[Marymog]

I will agree to disagree.

Hmmmm……there is nothing in the bill of rights and Constitution that the government can restrict personal choices. You think the government should violate the bill of rights and the constitution….I don’t! What more is there to say? I believe in free choice. You don’t….welcome to America!

Mary

 

[Naomanos]

Hmmmm……there is nothing in the bill of rights and Constitution that the government can restrict personal choices. You think the government should violate the bill of rights and the constitution….I don’t! What more is there to say? I believe in free choice. You don’t….welcome to America!

Mary

I will agree to disagree.

 

[Marymog]

It does also prove that smoking is harmful.

Harmful? So is eating high in fat food, not exercising, accepting a high stress job, engaging in risky behavior (multiple sex partners, sky diving, etc). Sooooo what other “harmful” behaviors would you like the government to ban?

Curious Mary

 

[Marymog]

It is you who does not get it, but I understand, liberty seems like an idol to you, so much so that even if an action is wholly unhealthy, you cannot see it. It's like you cannot see the forest through the trees.

I am all for liberty when it's appropriate, however, sometimes the government must step in because an individual will not make the right choice themselves. Smoking is wholly unhealthy and should be banned. That is why the government should dictate what to do in this matter. Not all matters, but this matter is what I am speaking of.

This is my opinion, take it or leave it, I can already guess what you'll do.

LIBERTY an IDOL??????????

Have you read the constitution or bill of rights kiddo?

 

[Marymog]

It's not just cancer it causes to though. There is also COPD and Emphysema. My mom smoked for years before she quit and she now has COPD, my step-dad's mom has COPD and her husband died of Emphysema. My step-dad's dad died of COPD and he smoked as well. My step-dad smoked and he likely has COPD. He will get screened for that in the coming months.

I likely have asthma due to my mom smoking while pregnant with me.

I am sorry to hear that the bad choices of others have caused you harm.

Mary

 

[Marymog]

I'm sorry, but I disagree. God gave us this world to use as we see fit logic doesn't always fly. This is one of those cases. God also says that our bodies are a temple, should they be defiled with smoke?

Some plants are healthy, some aren't and tobacco falls into that realm of unhealthy and it is indisputable that it causes cancer.

Should our bodies be defiled with other bad choices other than smoke? Ice cream, Doritos and M&M’s and Oreos (all of which I love, sparingly).

 

[Marymog]

I will agree to disagree.

I don’t care if you disagree with me. My concern is that you disagree with the constitution and the bill of rights……

 

[Naomanos]

LIBERTY an IDOL??????????

Have you read the constitution or bill of rights kiddo?

Okay. Conversation over. No need to call me kiddo.

 

[Marymog]

Okay. Conversation over. No need to call me kiddo.

Kiddo is not a bad word. It is ALSO considered a friendly term. If you have taken it as condescending then I apologize. It wasn’t meant that way….

None the less……Why do you want to take away my choice (liberty) to do my body harm?

Curious Mary

 

[Naomanos]

Kiddo is not a bad word. It is ALSO considered a friendly term. If you have taken it as condescending then I apologize. It wasn’t meant that way….

None the less……Why do you want to take away my choice (liberty) to do my body harm?

Curious Mary

Apology accepted.

I am in the medical field and I do not like that anyone chooses to harm themselves, especially with smoking and tobacco use.

Do you feel the same about seatbelts?

 

[stunnedbygrace]

So then should we just sit back and allow governments to be immoral?

And you never answered my question about my sofas. I asked you 2 or 3 times. Can u answer it please

I can only answer to say that the govt you want to protect you from the cancerous foam in sofas is the same govt demanding you take a kill shot.

I might also say if God could protect a follower against snake poison, as scripture says, I reckon He could save you from a sofa.

I could say more but I suspect most wish I could say less lol.

 

[Marymog]

I will agree to disagree.

New Zealand cracks me up:

New Zealand river granted same legal rights as human being

 

[Marymog]

Apology accepted.

I am in the medical field and I do not like that anyone chooses to harm themselves, especially with smoking and tobacco use.

Do you feel the same about seatbelts?

Thank you.

I also do not want anyone to harm themselves. Smoking slowley kills the body. There are other things that people choose to do that slowly kills the body. (ex. eating high in fat food, smoking, not exercising or being a couch potato). I do not want anyone to harm themselves with knives, guns, fire etc. either….but that is their choice and it will NEVER be stopped.

Not wearing a seatbelt does not cause harm to a person……unless they crash and then there is a small % of a chance they will cause harm to themselves. Not wearing it does not cause direct harm. Can you come up with another example that we can debate?

Respectfully, Mary

 

[JohnPaul]

Why not ban alcohol and fast food also?

 

[Marymog]

Why not ban alcohol and fast food also?

I forgot about alcohol and fast food. Thank you…. @Naomanos would consider banning these also? I suspect….

 

[Taken]

I shun the liberal agenda to hell . But pay close attention and take close heed to what i say next .
IF i were president and promised you all that i would end abortion and make it illegal
would you support such a law then . I have no problems following nor supporting any law or any leader
that would make ILLEGAL the things contrary to GOD . DOES that make me evil . DID it make KING david evil
to ENFORCE things . NOPE . What makes one evil is when they enforce or enact EVIL DEVILISH laws that are contrary TO GOD .
IF i were president i would make it illegal for gay marriage , for abortion , for anything contrary to GOD .
Of course this does not mean i would put to death anyone who did such a thing . MY POINT IS
it aint evil if a law gets enforced , IF that law supports GOD . Now i would never be president . I have zero desire for that .
My duty and the whole duty of the lambs is , PREACH JESUS and CORRECT and BUILD UP the CHURCH .

In the US, we do not elect a President to be our Leader, Health advisor, Educator, Preacher, Savior, Protector, Moral compass or Dictator.
We elect a Servant to uphold individuals God given right of Liberty, according to and within the limits of the US Constitution and Constitutional promulgated Laws.

The govy has exceeded its authority historically, regularly and exponentially... and why it and its sitting reps have the long standing duly earned Reputation of Corruption via their Underhandedness, Overstepping, Lying, Bribery, Theft, Immorality, Pretense, Oppression and Dictating.

The truth is God designed what establishes a “Happy gay Marriage”, between a man and a woman.
The US govy did not establish that, nor were they given ANY Constitutional authority to Dictate who can or can not marry, or who is obligated to join two people in marriage...
The govy took on the role of record keeping, and expanded their role of keeping records to Dictating WHO can, WHO must DO and WHO cannot DO... not only pertaining to marriages, but divorces, Life, Health, drugs, education, children, elderly, races, speaking, planting, harvesting, eating, travel, inventing, owning, buying, selling, on and on that they have become a Daily intrusion is every individuals life.

They are NOT my go to, advisor for anything. They repeatedly prove they are Corrupt, inept, conniving, underhanded and wicked. I do not advocate soliciting them for more laws and regulations. What they should be seated with is an Eraser, NOT a pen.
But I must say, the MASK they are donning is the only good thing they have accomplished in their 2 years of squatting in the People’s House.

 

[Marymog]

Why not ban alcohol and fast food also?

Good point….Hey, Maybe the US should consider banning fast food restaurants and only allow restaurants that have “home cooked meals”? but then again even those are not as healthy as cooking it yourself sooooo maybe ban family restaurants also? What a slippery slope…..

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I just came back from the grocery store. I go about once a month. I can usually guesstimate how much it will be by how full my cart is. I’m very good at it actually but I flunked miserably today. I thought about 200-220. It was 312.
I read last night something about inflation numbers. I’m thinking I read about close to 7% higher?
It’s more like 33 percent.
It was such a huge jump (and for a careful shopper who doesn’t buy many luxury items like lobster) that the thought hit me - is this what they call runaway inflation? It seems it’s definitely the lower end of it.

I don’t panic. I just kind of get intrigued and think, oh, I think this or that is happening…