No Escape : From Hell

[Taken]

as I pointed out hell is a small town in Michigan . please ,you can Google it for yourself

Ha ha… that’s true and it can freeze over.

 

[Deleted member 26788]

No indeed. WatchTower puppets TWIST the Hell of nearly every verse in the Bible for their master Satan, to lead people to Hell, even their own families!

I take it from your reply you don't want or care if scripture conflicts with other scripture ?? or could it be you don't understand the timeline and you are trying to mix things together inappropriately?

 

[Deleted member 26788]

No indeed. WatchTower puppets TWIST the Hell of nearly every verse in the Bible for their master Satan, to lead people to Hell, even their own families!

I continue to be curious how it is you know so much about what Satan likes. satan like this satan likes that. pitiful... Next you will be trying to telling me his name is Lucifer.

 

[TazzJazz]

Hosea 13:14.
Anyone like to comment on that Hebrew word Sheol there? It is translated in some English-Bible verses as Hell.

Catholic Translations
Douay-Rheims Bible
I will deliver them out of the hand of death. I will redeem them from death : O death, I will be thy death; O hell, I will be thy bite: comfort is hidden from my eyes.

Catholic Public Domain Version
I will free them from the hand of death; from death I will redeem them. Death, I will be your death. Hell, I will be your deadly wound. Consolation is hidden from my eyes.

 

[TazzJazz]

Hosea 13:14.
Anyone like to comment on that Hebrew word Sheol there? It is translated in some English-Bible verses as Hell.

Catholic Translations
Douay-Rheims Bible
I will deliver them out of the hand of death. I will redeem them from death : O death, I will be thy death; O hell, I will be thy bite: comfort is hidden from my eyes.

Catholic Public Domain Version
I will free them from the hand of death; from death I will redeem them. Death, I will be your death. Hell, I will be your deadly wound. Consolation is hidden from my eyes.

Hello, @locust !

In doing research for tonight's meeting, I found that Scripture. Hell will suffer a "deadly wound"!

 

[BreadOfLife]

It’s actually a very ancient belief...one that Jews held to long before Roman Catholicism destroyed Christianity.

The MaryCult destroyed Christianity, until Martin Luther and a few others showed up.

Birds of a feather share the SAME heresies.
Christ's Church CAN'T be destroyed.

You both may think that Jesus is a LIAR - but we Catholics don't:
Matt. 16:18
And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

 

[Behold]

And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

The revelation that Jesus is the Messiah, is the Christ.....is the foundation of Christianity.
This was Peter's revelation.

So, to get the correct understanding of the "Rock", you have to read Paul's epistles.

""""1 Corinthians 10:4 ........"""And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that ROCK was Christ.""""​

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And again Paul teaches.... that Jesus is the ROCK who is the foundation of the Body of Christ....​

Ephesians 2:20.....and Paul does acknowledge the apostles, but He then teaches that Jesus is absolutely the true foundation..​

"""" And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the Chief Cornerstone"""​

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[nedsk]

Reader,

Salvation is based on :

God's Grace
Christ's Sacrifice
Faith

Take any of those away, and you have no Salvation.
Add to any of those and you have denied The Cross.

Now, if a person goes to Hell.....its because they died in their sin, and that becomes in Eternity, = the unpardonable sin, because there is no forgiveness found for you if you have died in your sins.......unforgiven.
And the way you die in your sins, is to never be forgiven, which means you died a Christ rejector, never born again.
You have committed the Unpardonable sin and died.
And if you read Heb 10:26, you read where Jewish Christ rejectors are committing the unpardonable sin of rejecting theirr Savior, their Messiah.......Jesus The Lord.

So, THAT PERSON... Jew or Gentile, if they die today or tomorrow or yesterday, is now in Hell.

And what are they doing, Reader.?
They are trying to get out......... And how are they trying to get out of Hell?
They are telling God.....>"OH GOD< i DO BELIEVE.. OH GOD....I DO TRUST IN CHRIST">.... and God ignores them., forever.
FOREVER.
Why?
Because once you are in HELL, you SEE Hell,.... and you KNOW you are in it. .....So that is PROOF that God, and Hell and JESUS are all REAL.
And now you KNOW IT because you SEE IT....and that is not FAITH........That is "seeing is believing" and God requires FAITH in what you can't SEE to save you.......And that is why you have to TRUST in CHRIST before you DIE....as this way, you are believing in what you can't SEE, and that is Genuine FAITH that God accepts.

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If you are reading this and you are not a Christian.....Then Ive Good News for you. You dont have to go to Hell, and God is offering you Heaven instead, right now.
Will you take it ???
Will you accept God's offer of Heaven as your eternity, instead of Hell?
God has made it so simple and so easy...... to go to Heaven. All you have to do is give God your faith in Christ.
Now, be honest with yourself. Haven't you sinned? And dont you know that you need to be forgiven?
Well, Jesus died on THe Cross for YOU... so that you can be forgiven all your sin........and God only asks of you that you be honest about your sin..., and come to Jesus and trust in Him and God will forgive you, and God will make Heaven your eternal home this very day.

Will you come?
Will you take Jesus by faith as your Savior? Will you open your heart to Jesus?
Do it now.......Do it today and God will save you and forgive you and bring you into His LOVE and Grace and Heaven will become your eternal Home.

Dont wait.

So you're saying none of those by themselves is sufficient for salvation. Christ's sacrifice is meaningless without grace and faith

 

[BreadOfLife]

The revelation that Jesus is the Messiah, is the Christ.....is the foundation of Christianity.
This was Peter's revelation.

So, to get the correct understanding of the "Rock", you have to read Paul's epistles.

""""1 Corinthians 10:4 ........"""And did all drink the same spiritual drink: for they drank of that spiritual Rock that followed them: and that ROCK was Christ.""""​

And again Paul teaches.... that Jesus is the ROCK who is the foundation of the Body of Christ....​

Ephesians 2:20.....and Paul does acknowledge the apostles, but He then teaches that Jesus is absolutely the true foundation..​

"""" And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the Chief Cornerstone"""​

Very interesting that you jump on something that I WASN’T arguing.

I never mentioned the Peter/Rock debate. I simply quoted the Word of God to show you and your other anti-Jesus friend that you BOTH are inferring that He is a LIAR for saying that His Church was “destroyed”.
You BOTH have a lot of ‘spplainin’ to do when HE judges you . . ..

Nice deflection, though . . .

 

[Aunty Jane]

Birds of a feather share the SAME heresies.

How true! Look at Christendom….

Christ's Church CAN'T be destroyed.

You both may think that Jesus is a LIAR - but we Catholics don't:
Matt. 16:18
And I tell you, you are Peter, and on this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.

You are correct….NOTHING can destroy Christ’s church…..but history attests to the fact that Roman Catholicism never was that “church”.
The real “church” lived in those whom the Catholic Church put to death as heretics.…burned alive at the stake because of not believing in a god of hell and eternal torment, justifying the heinous murder of those who simply dared to speak the truth. (John 15:18-21)

When Jesus comes as judge of all the earth, his words will ring loudly in the ears of the real heretics…the ones claiming him as their “Lord”….but who deny him by their works. He will tell them….
”I NEVER KNEW YOU”…..(Matt 7:21-23) Never” means “not ever”, so since it’s institution in the 4th century, the Roman Catholic Church has “never“ represented Christ on earth. Neither have any in Christendom who teach any Roman Catholic doctrine.

History repeats because human nature does not change….what was “orthodox” religion among the Jews, in Jesus’ day, became unorthodox by the teachings of Jesus Christ, and through his apostles after his death.
A correction that the majority rejected as heresy.

People had two choices….either listen to Jesus and see the defection and hypocrisy of the religious leaders….or stay with their teachings that they had been given since infancy. The inconvenient truth verses the convenient lies. Which will we accept?

The “GATES OF HELL”…….there it is again….the fear mongering that is designed to force compliance to Catholic teachings.
“The gates of hades” simply means that the death of its members cannot prevent Christ’s “church” from achieving its mission. “Hades” is the grave, not a place of eternal torture. Martyrdom did not stop the preaching….it is God’s work! (Matt 24:14)

Those who accept “the ROCK” as Jesus Christ, have not fallen for the false teachings that Jesus warned us was coming. Christendom is a mirror image of first century Judaism. The majority will not see it. (Matt 7:13-14)

 

[BreadOfLife]

How true! Look at Christendom….

You are correct….NOTHING can destroy Christ’s church…..but history attests to the fact that Roman Catholicism never was that “church”.
The real “church” lived in those whom the Catholic Church put to death as heretics.…burned alive at the stake because of believing in a god of hell and eternal torment, justifying the heinous murder of those who simply dared to speak the truth. (John 15:18-21)

When Jesus comes as judge of all the earth, his words will ring loudly in the ears of the real heretics…the ones claiming him as their “Lord”….but who deny him by their works. He will tell them….
”I NEVER KNEW YOU”…..(Matt 7:21-23) Never” means “not ever”, so since it’s institution in the 4th century, the Roman Catholic Church has “never“ represented Christ on earth. Neither have any in Christendom who teach any Roman Catholic doctrine.

History repeats because human nature does not change….what was “orthodox” religion among the Jews, in Jesus’ day, became unorthodox by the teachings of Jesus Christ, and through his apostles after his death.
A correction that the majority rejected as heresy.

People had two choices….either listen to Jesus and see the defection and hypocrisy of the religious leaders….or stay with their teachings that they had been given since infancy. The inconvenient truth verses the convenient lies. Which will we accept?

The “GATES OF HELL”…….there it is again….the fear mongering that is designed to force compliance to Catholic teachings.
“The gates of hades” simply means that the death of its members cannot prevent Christ’s “church” from achieving its mission. “Hades” is the grave, not a place of eternal torture. Martyrdom did not stop the preaching….it is God’s work! (Matt 24:14)

Those who accept “the ROCK” as Jesus Christ, have not fallen for the false teachings that Jesus warned us was coming. Christendom is a mirror image of first century Judaism. The majority will not see it. (Matt 7:13-14)

Nice rant . . .

And not a SINGLE word of your diatribe will erase the fact that both YOU and @Behold said that Catholic Church “Destroyed” Christianity.

I never brought up the Catholic Church.
YOU did .. .

 

[Behold]

Nice rant . . .

And not a SINGLE word of your diatribe will erase the fact that both YOU and @Behold said that Catholic Church “Destroyed” Christianity.

Yes,
the MaryCult destroyed Christianity, by setting the bible on the shelf, and replacing it with "church traditions " in its place.
Also, The MaryCult has killed more people under the guise of "they are a heretic".. then Islam has killed people for "allah".
Thats a fact......>Historical.

And a MaryCult member will proudly and loudly announce that the more important and more correct and more vital teaching comes from "our church fathers"... ..whereas........ "that bible is good, but its not the final authority".
If you want the Final Authority.....put your bible in the Trunk and talk to a MaryCult PRIEST instead, is what the Catholic CULT will tell everyone, everywhere, and until Jesus comes back, and then He'll stop it.

And you know what the MaryCult created? @BreadOfLife ???
Sure you do.
They created the "DARK AGES" both spiritual and literal.......and Martin Luther realized it, and it was Jerome who cause MLuther to realize it.
Now, it was the Holy Spirit who caused MLuther (a Translator) to carefuilly read Jerome's translation and realize it was Jerome's and not Gods.
For example......Jerome mistranslated "Repentance" as "Penance"... = and MaryCult members have been doing penance ever since Jerome mistranslated "Repentance".
So, that is one "one of many" of Jeromes mistranslations.......and MLuther realized that the worst of Jerome's corruptions was regarding "Justification by Faith"......"without works or water baptism".
So, once MLuther realized that the MaryCult was corrupting the Gospel of "Faith".......He was lead of God to bring to LIGHT the True Gospel of "Justification by FAITH" that Paul teaches.. = no water, no works, no penance, no dying in a state of grace, no purgatory../,.... none of this MaryCult nonsense.

So, Christianity was re-awakened as: " Protestant", and the MaryCult has continued along its man-made Traditions dark path., and is still creating new man-made false doctrines......like.....>"asumption of mary"......and so many more.
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[BreadOfLife]

Yes,
the MaryCult destroyed Christianity, blah, blah, blah . . .

And there you go again - repeating your heresy . . .

Read carefully, son:
"... I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."

According to YOU - Jesus is a LIAR.
Good luck with that on the Day of Judgement . . .

 

[Aunty Jane]

Nice rant . . .

No rant, just clear Bible truth…..

And not a SINGLE word of your diatribe will erase the fact that both YOU and @Behold said that Catholic Church “Destroyed” Christianity.

It was foretold by Jesus himself…..”the wheat and the weeds”….the “wolves in sheep’s covering”….”by their fruits” we would recognize his true disciples. All of these highlight the failure of the Catholic Church to promote anything that Christ taught. (Acts 20:29-30)
Their “fruitage” is one that should elicit shame for the reproach brought on the name of Jesus Christ.

All of her doctrines are a direct departure from Christ’s teachings.
Genuine “Christianity” was “destroyed” by “the church” who set themselves up as the genuine article, centuries removed from the apostolic period, masquerading as the “Christian Faith” only to take on the trappings of pagan Roman sun worship, still very visible in “the church” to this day.

You can see them, but denial prevents you from acknowledging them. The Catholic Church does not resemble genuine “Christianity” in any way.…not even close.

I never brought up the Catholic Church.
YOU did .. .

By reiterating Catholic teachings, you clearly implicate that ones who taught you false Christianity.

 

[Behold]

Good luck with that on the Day of Judgement . . .

Born again Believers wont face Rev 20:11.

And i dont blame you for not being able to deal with my post regarding your dark ages Religion.

The Truth is.......If Mary could talk to you, she would tell you that you are in a CULT and to get out and take your family far, far, away.
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[Wish-it]

Good question.

Ruling with Jesus will be the born again "Church" the Tribulation Martyrs and the Old Testament Saints.
All of These wil have a Glorified Body.

Those who have not died during the Trib, will be under the direction of Jesus and those 3 groups, who are ruling with Jesus during the Millennial reign.
All who are being "ruled"... will be "believers".. both Jews and Gentiles.

So if that's the case, we are not reign with Him.
So thousands of rulers, but not subjects.

Good question.

Ruling with Jesus will be the born again "Church" the Tribulation Martyrs and the Old Testament Saints.
All of These wil have a Glorified Body.

Those who have not died during the Trib, will be under the direction of Jesus and those 3 groups, who are ruling with Jesus during the Millennial reign.
All who are being "ruled"... will be "believers".. both Jews and Gentiles.

Good question.

Ruling with Jesus will be the born again "Church" the Tribulation Martyrs and the Old Testament Saints.
All of These wil have a Glorified Body.

Those who have not died during the Trib, will be under the direction of Jesus and those 3 groups, who are ruling with Jesus during the Millennial reign.
All who are being "ruled"... will be "believers".. both Jews and Gentiles.

Except their seems to be a number of scriptures which that after will be unbelievers in the millennium.
Rom 2.14+, 1Cor 7.14, Zech 14.16+, Too 66.18+. I think the "churches" understanding on this subject needs re-investigating maybe

 

[Behold]

So if that's the case, we are not reign with Him.
So thousands of rulers, but not subjects.

Their will be people on earth to be ruled.
They were not "Raptured" before the Tribulation started.
And there will be Angels and the born again rule them also.

I think the "churches" understanding on this subject needs re-investigating maybe

We know that the Christians and Jesus will be ruling during the Millennium.....so, there has to be people to be ruled.

 

[Wish-it]

Their will be people on earth to be ruled.
They were not "Raptured" before the Tribulation started.
And there will be Angels and the born again rule them also.



We know that the Christians and Jesus will be ruling during the Millennium.....so, there has to be people to be ruled.

So are there unbelievers in the millennium in your opinion?

 

[BreadOfLife]

Born again Believers wont face Rev 20:11.

And i dont blame you for not being able to deal with my post regarding your dark ages Religion.

The Truth is.......If Mary could talk to you, she would tell you that you are in a CULT and to get out and take your family far, far, away.

No rant, just clear Bible truth…..

It was foretold by Jesus himself…..”the wheat and the weeds”….the “wolves in sheep’s covering”….”by their fruits” we would recognize his true disciples. All of these highlight he failure of the Catholic Church to promote anything that Christ taught. (Acts 20:29-30)
Their “fruitage” is one that should elicit shame for the reproach brought on the name of Jesus Christ.

All of her doctrines are a direct departure from Christ’s teachings.
Genuine “Christianity” was “destroyed” by “the church” who set themselves up as the genuine article, centuries removed from the apostolic period, masquerading as the “Christian Faith” only to take on the trappings of pagan Roman sun worship, still very visible in “the church” to this day.

You can see them, but denial prevents you from acknowledging them. The Catholic Church does not resemble genuine “Christianity” in any way.…not even close.

By reiterating Catholic teachings, you clearly implicate that ones who taught you false Christianity.

You're BOTH voming out the sae old manure.

The fact is that neither of you wants to own up to is that you BOTH inferred that Jesus is a LIAR by stating that His Church was "destroyed" at some point.

Two peoppl from different faith traditons puking up the SAME heresy . . .

 

[Aunty Jane]

You're BOTH voming out the sae old manure.

Well, if there is “manure” in religion, it will show by the actions and beliefs of those who hold to what is not truth.
What have the actions and beliefs of your church demonstrated down through history?
What did Jesus say….

“I have said all these things to you to keep you from falling away. They will put you out of the synagogues. Indeed, the hour is coming when whoever kills you will think he is offering service to God. And they will do these things because they have not known the Father, nor me.” (ESV)

The fact is that neither of you wants to own up to is that you BOTH inferred that Jesus is a LIAR by stating that His Church was "destroyed" at some point.

If your church is not the one that Jesus spoke about, then you are the ones calling a Jesus a liar.

Two peoppl from different faith traditons puking up the SAME heresy . . .

How many are puking yours? Seriously….a brief look at the history of your church demonstrates why Jesus can say “I never knew you”….


Can the church be proud of this…..are you? Where is Christ?