No Heaven if you don't mortify the deeds of the flesh

[Enoch111]

We cannot fulfill the lusts of the flesh and deceive ourselves in to believing that we will inherit God's Kingdom too.

While you may have good intentions with this OP, you will need to take another look at the passage you have quoted:

1. No one *inherits* the Kingdom of God. Sinners enter into the Kingdom of God through the New Birth (John 1:12,13; 3:3-5), and the gift of the Holy Spirit is purely by God's grace to the one who repents and believers on the Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 2:38).

2. The New Birth had made these Christians new creatures (the *new man*) in Christ: And have put on the new man [PAST TENSE], which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

3. Because they were new creatures in Christ they would have no desire to fulfil the lusts of the flesh: In the which ye also walked some time [PAST TENSE], when ye lived in them.

 

[Stan B]

While you may have good intentions with this OP, you will need to take another look at the passage you have quoted:

1. No one *inherits* the Kingdom of God. Sinners enter into the Kingdom of God through the New Birth (John 1:12,13; 3:3-5), and the gift of the Holy Spirit is purely by God's grace to the one who repents and believers on the Lord Jesus Christ (Acts 2:38).

2. The New Birth had made these Christians new creatures (the *new man*) in Christ: And have put on the new man [PAST TENSE], which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him:

3. Because they were new creatures in Christ they would have no desire to fulfil the lusts of the flesh: In the which ye also walked some time [PAST TENSE], when ye lived in them.

Enoch, Sort of neat, after erasing all the Scriptural caveats, nullifying much of which Scripture offers as a balance. When you cut out a big chunk of Scripture to make your point, then your post is of little value, other than to demonstrate how false teachers operate.

 

[brakelite]

I find it sadly disconcerting that whenever someone pops in and suggests such radical behaviour adjustments like turning away from all sin, there also appears a number of others declaring it unscriptural, undesirable, even impossible. Shall we sin that grace may abound? God forbid!
Is not the new man created in righteousness and true holiness? Is not that old man buried as a dead man? Or was he buried alive and you consider him still active and having greater power over you than the spirit of the Living God?
What God demands, He provides the power to do.
What God expects, is more than possible to them that believe.
Perfection is possible, but not the perfection so many allude to. Sanctification comes in two paradigms. The first is at the time of conversion, when we are sanctified and set apart for holy use. We are declared as sanctified. Then the process of sanctification which takes a lifetime which purifies us from every defilement and every blemish. The creating of the perfect character. That does take a lifetime...but...but...that does not mean we cannot in the meantime overcome sin. Overcome the fleshly lusts and carnal tendencies of the old man. Far from wanting to discourage anyone, I would encourage everyone that this is not only desirable, but scripturally sound, as we can do all things through Christ who strengthens us...and there has no temptation come to man that God has not provided a way of escape...and not only scripturally sound, not only desirable, but eminently possible through faith. How do I know this? Because Jesus proved it possible...He has shown the way and we are to walk in His footsteps.

 

[Willie T]

I find it sadly disconcerting that whenever someone pops in and suggests such radical behaviour adjustments like turning away from all sin, there also appears a number of others declaring it unscriptural, undesirable, even impossible. Shall we sin that grace may abound? God forbid!
Is not the new man created in righteousness and true holiness? Is not that old man buried as a dead man? Or was he buried alive and you consider him still active and having greater power over you than the spirit of the Living God?
What God demands, He provides the power to do.
What God expects, is more than possible to them that believe.
Perfection is possible, but not the perfection so many allude to. Sanctification comes in two paradigms. The first is at the time of conversion, when we are sanctified and set apart for holy use. We are declared as sanctified. Then the process of sanctification which takes a lifetime which purifies us from every defilement and every blemish. The creating of the perfect character. That does take a lifetime...but...but...that does not mean we cannot in the meantime overcome sin. Overcome the fleshly lusts and carnal tendencies of the old man. Far from wanting to discourage anyone, I would encourage everyone that this is not only desirable, but scripturally sound, as we can do all things through Christ who strengthens us...and there has no temptation come to man that God has not provided a way of escape...and not only scripturally sound, not only desirable, but eminently possible through faith. How do I know this? Because Jesus proved it possible...He has shown the way and we are to walk in His footsteps.

I guess the skepticism is just because the only place most of us ever find "perfect" people is when we see them typing from some remote computer online. LOL It might be interesting to follow some of these "New Men" around for a week or so, and see just how perfect their lives really are.

 

[brakelite]

I guess the skepticism is just because the only place most of us ever find "perfect" people is when we see them typing from some remote computer online. LOL It might be interesting to follow some of these "New Men" around for a week or so, and see just how perfect their lives really are.

Again, I think you are misunderstanding the perfection required. A rosebud, though immature, can still be perfect in its own sphere. So also Christians. We may not be perfectly mature, and our characters not perfectly formed...yet...but that does not mean we can not overcome sin. The perfection is found in our willingness to surrender...in our union with Christ and our cooperation with His Spirit working within. Perfection can be found in our resolve to love God with all our hearts and mind, and our neighbours as ourselves.
Now such may be rare, for as Christ said, it is a narrow road. But such is possible, because God is God, and that is what He specialises in...doing what men think impossible.

 

[Willie T]

Again, I think you are misunderstanding the perfection required. A rosebud, though immature, can still be perfect in its own sphere. So also Christians. We may not be perfectly mature, and our characters not perfectly formed...yet...but that does not mean we can not overcome sin. The perfection is found in our willingness to surrender...in our union with Christ and our cooperation with His Spirit working within. Perfection can be found in our resolve to love God with all our hearts and mind, and our neighbours as ourselves.
Now such may be rare, for as Christ said, it is a narrow road. But such is possible, because God is God, and that is what He specialises in...doing what men think impossible.

I'm not doubting a word you say, nor do I see it any differently. I am mainly just laughing at the blowhards who try to actually claim perfect thoughts and behavior.... as though they really do think they are somehow convincing people of their "Sainthood."

It's like, "I'm now Holy and perfect, and thus am qualified by God to tell everyone else how imperfect they are."

 

[justbyfaith]

No one *inherits* the Kingdom of God.

It seems you are saying that you think that there is no one who can truly abstain from the works of the flesh; for it is those who do not abstain who will not inherit the kingdom: but those who do abstain will indeed inherit the kingdom.

Gal 5:19, Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal 5:20,Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Gal 5:21, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

I guess the skepticism is just because the only place most of us ever find "perfect" people is when we see them typing from some remote computer online. LOL It might be interesting to follow some of these "New Men" around for a week or so, and see just how perfect their lives really are.

I know that the moment I began to have victory again over the sins mentioned in the scripture of the OP, other aspects of my Christian walk began to become less holy; such as my appearance of holiness in my behaviour on the internet. But I believe that this will also fall into place; and that when this occurs, God will even be bringing me closer to that state of perfection in this life that He promises in Hebrews 10:14, 1 John 3:9, and 1 Thessalonians 5:23-24...also Jude 1:24, 2 Peter 1:10, 1 John 2:10.

If you followed me around for a week or even a month, I don't think you would find much that you would be able to identify as sin. Of course, my attitude recently on these boards has perhaps not been up to par; at least, if you ask some of the people whose religion I have been proving to be a farce. They may indeed just be attacking the messenger in an attempt to discredit the message.

And I am also not saying that I am absolutely perfect. But I will say that the Lord has done a work in me; and that I am not the same person that I used to be. I have escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust; and if you followed me around for a month you would even see that this is the case. I try to be exemplary even when no one is looking but the Lord.

 

[Enoch111]

It seems you are saying that you think that there is no one who can truly abstain from the works of the flesh; for it is those who do not abstain who will not inherit the kingdom: but those who do abstain will indeed inherit the kingdom.

You have misunderstood what I said. Entrance into the Kingdom of God is by the grace of God and the finished work of Christ. And it is connected to the New Birth -- not by works of righteousness which we have done.

 

[Willie T]

It seems you are saying that you think that there is no one who can truly abstain from the works of the flesh; for it is those who do not abstain who will not inherit the kingdom: but those who do abstain will indeed inherit the kingdom.

Gal 5:19, Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Gal 5:20,Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Gal 5:21, Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.



I know that the moment I began to have victory again over the sins mentioned in the scripture of the OP, other aspects of my Christian walk began to become less holy; such as my appearance of holiness in my behaviour on the internet. But I believe that this will also fall into place; and that when this occurs, God will even be bringing me closer to that state of perfection in this life that He promises in Hebrews 10:14, 1 John 3:9, and 1 Thessalonians 5:23-24...also Jude 1:24, 2 Peter 1:10, 1 John 2:10.

If you followed me around for a week or even a month, I don't think you would find much that you would be able to identify as sin. Of course, my attitude recently on these boards has perhaps not been up to par; at least, if you ask some of the people whose religion I have been proving to be a farce. They may indeed just be attacking the messenger in an attempt to discredit the message.

And I am also not saying that I am absolutely perfect. But I will say that the Lord has done a work in me; and that I am not the same person that I used to be. I have escaped the corruption that is in the world through lust; and if you followed me around for a month you would even see that this is the case. I try to be exemplary even when no one is looking but the Lord.

Just as you started to say in the post quoted above, it is plain to see here: indignance, pride, offense, defensiveness, a heavy leaning toward prevarication, aggressive retaliation, and in some cases, almost gloating... from all of us. I strongly suspect that none of these propensities is anywhere near what God would see as moving too effectively toward "perfection."

 

[justbyfaith]

Why are you hostile to me, @Willie T? Is it not because I have showed your religion (mormonism) to be false?

mormons exposed.

 

[Willie T]

I guess you just bring Proverbs 26:4,5 to life for me.

 

[justbyfaith]

I guess you just bring Proverbs 26:4,5 to life for me.

Hey...I will continue to pray for you.

Mat 5:22, But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

 

[Enoch111]

Why are you hostile to me, @Willie T? Is it not because I have showed your religion (mormonism) to be false?

You lose all credibility with such foolish and false accusations. Willie is a genuine Christian affiliated with the Vineyard assemblies.

 

[justbyfaith]

You lose all credibility with such foolish and false accusations. Willie is a genuine Christ affiliated with the Vineyard assemblies.

I hope you mean "Christian".

Willie is not a "Christ". Matthew 24 speaks of how many will come in the last days saying "I am Christ," and shall deceive many.

 

[justbyfaith]

That Willie T. had access to the following and decided to promote it, is at least evidence that he is a mormon:

Listen to this "two-in-one" melody. Please don't get pig-headed.... listen to it all the way through.

Here's the Mormon song:
284 - If you could hie to Kolob
1. If you could hie to Kolob
In the twinkling of an eye,
And then continue onward
With that same speed to fly,
Do you think that you could ever,
Through all eternity,
Find out the generation
Where Gods began to be?

2. Or see the grand beginning,
Where space did not extend?
Or view the last creation,
Where Gods and matter end?
Methinks the Spirit whispers,
“No man has found ‘pure space,’
Nor seen the outside curtains,
Where nothing has a place.”

3. The works of God continue,
And worlds and lives abound;
Improvement and progression
Have one eternal round.
There is no end to matter;
There is no end to space;
There is no end to spirit;
There is no end to race.

4. There is no end to virtue;
There is no end to might;
There is no end to wisdom;
There is no end to light.
There is no end to union;
There is no end to youth;
There is no end to priesthood;
There is no end to truth.

5. There is no end to glory;
There is no end to love;
There is no end to being;
There is no death above.
There is no end to glory;
There is no end to love;
There is no end to being;
There is no death above.
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Though he may attend a Vineyard Fellowship, I believe that he has leanings towards mormonism and promoting that pov; as evidenced by the fact that he posted what I have quoted from him above.

 

[CharismaticLady]

I suspect we wouldn't be told to restore Brothers caught in sin with gentleness and love... if it was not anticipated that they would sin again (rather seriously, it seems) even after they had become Christians.
And if you are so weak in Biblical knowledge, Stan, that you require Chapter and Verse for the Scriptures I have already referenced in my posts..... then I suggest you might be only memorizing words on paper, and not taking it into your heart.

Matthew 5:48
Phillippians 4:13
Acts 2:38-39

 

[Willie T]

I hope you mean "Christian".

Willie is not a "Christ". Matthew 24 speaks of how many will come in the last days saying "I am Christ," and shall deceive many.

Oh, Can it. Are you asking people to nail you like a three year-old whenever YOU make a typo? Because, I for one, sure will oblige you if that is your desire. You knew full well, what *Enoch111* meant.

 

[justbyfaith]

I see that you edited post #33 in order to try to make me look like a liar.

But I say to you truly that I used the quote button on that.

To @Enoch111

 

[justbyfaith]

Oh, Can it. Are you asking people to nail you like a three year-old whenever YOU make a typo? Because, I for one, sure will oblige you if that is your desire. You knew full well, what *Enoch111* meant.

I do my best to make sure that all my posts are adequately edited by the time I am through with them so that there won't be any of those kinds of mistakes...so feel free to look for typos in any of my posts.

I may even provide some nice ones for you to jump on to prove that you are basically hostile.

 

[Willie T]

That Willie T. had access to the following and decided to promote it, is at least evidence that he is a mormon:





Though he may attend a Vineyard Fellowship, I believe that he has leanings towards mormonism and promoting that pov; as evidenced by the fact that he posted what I have quoted from him above.

"No", it means I know how to effectively use a computer Search Engine, whereas you might not even know what that is.