No longer a Sinner.

[Pearl]

I teach people to have victory over sin making them Saints of the Most High, while you teach them that they are sinners, so they act accordingly. My hands are free, let their blood be on your head.

I teach people who are born again into Christ that they are saints. No longer sinners because they are washed clean by the blood of the Lamb of God. Some churches/religions teach that infant 'baptism' gives a person new birth but because this isn't true the people are still sinners and act like sinners and have no power to overcome their sin.

Isaiah 1:18
‘Come now, let us settle the matter,’ says the Lord. ‘Though your sins are like scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they are red as crimson, they shall be like wool.

And I don't know what you mean by, 'let the blood be on your head'. Perhaps you yourself need to be born again and come into the light. But perhaps you can't handle the truth.

 

[07-07-07]

A sinner is someone who has not been born again. A saint is somebody who has been born again.

I apologize. I misread your post. I thought you said "A sinner is someone who has been born again. A saint is somebody who has been born again." Thereby, making no distinction between the two; please accept my apology. This is what led into us discussing that Churchgoers aren't being raised up to be Saints, since we are all sinners anyway.

 

[Pearl]

This is what you teach.



A born again sinner? That isn't what Jesus taught.

John 5
[29] If your right eye causes you to [a]sin, pluck it out and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.
[30]And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and cast it from you; for it is more profitable for you that one of your members perish, than for your whole body to be cast into hell.

You really don't get it do you? A born again person is no longer a sinner in God's eyes even though they may give way to temptation. Once you are born again you are accepted into God's family and become a saint. God doesn't have sinners in his family. He may though have saints whose flesh is weak and do things that they would rather not do.

The thing is though when Christians who have been born again commit acts that are sinful they recognise it and can seeks God's help to change. As the scriptures tell us:

Romans 12:2
Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is – his good, pleasing and perfect will.

 

[Pearl]

I apologize. I misread your post. I thought you said "A sinner is someone who has been born again. A saint is somebody who has been born again." Thereby, making no distinction between the two; please accept my apology. This is what led into us discussing that Churchgoers aren't being raised up to be Saints, since we are all sinners anyway.

I accept your very gracious apology. Easy mistake to make.

 

[07-07-07]

You really don't get it do you? A born again person is no longer a sinner in God's eyes even though they may give way to temptation.

Please explain what you mean by this. What kind of temptation does one give way to?

 

[Pearl]

Please explain what you mean by this. What kind of temptation does one give way to?

Well you know yourself the sort of temptation you yourself give way to. Perhaps it's being impatient with other road users. Perhaps it's watching the wrong programmes on TV. I think temptations may be different for everyone and we all fall into them sometimes.

 

[Behold]

Impossible. This conflating is why a large percentage of the Church members watch pornography and engage in other sins too; after all, we are all sinners anyway.

Impossible that the born again are Saints?

And the reason that believers are committing works of the flesh is because they have the same theology that you have... which is, ..."i'll always sin some, but then i confess and everything is good again".
And that is the Devil's theology.
Its not Paul's, and Paul got it from Jesus.

 

[07-07-07]

Well you know yourself the sort of temptation you yourself give way to. Perhaps it's being impatient with other road users. Perhaps it's watching the wrong programmes on TV. I think temptations may be different for everyone and we all fall into them sometimes.

The Scriptures teach to overcome temptations:

James 1
[12] Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.

 

[07-07-07]

Impossible that the born again are Saints?

And the reason that believers are committing works of the flesh is because they have the same theology that you have... which is, ..."i'll always sin some, but then i confess and everything is good again".
And that is the Devil's theology.
Its not Paul's, and Paul got it from Jesus.

There was a mistake in misreading what the poster had written. I certainly do not uphold the false doctrine that one can engage in the works of the flesh and inherit the Kingdom of God.

Romans 8
[13] For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.

Galatians 5
[19] Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
[20] Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
[21] Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.

 

[ChristisGod]

You really don't get it do you? A born again person is no longer a sinner in God's eyes even though they may give way to temptation. Once you are born again you are accepted into God's family and become a saint. God doesn't have sinners in his family. He may though have saints whose flesh is weak and do things that they would rather not do.

The thing is though when Christians who have been born again commit acts that are sinful they recognise it and can seeks God's help to change. As the scriptures tell us:

Romans 12:2
Do not conform to the pattern of this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind. Then you will be able to test and approve what God’s will is – his good, pleasing and perfect will.

ditto !

 

[Pearl]

The Scriptures teach to overcome temptations:

James 1
[12] Blessed is the man that endureth temptation: for when he is tried, he shall receive the crown of life, which the Lord hath promised to them that love him.

Absolutely. And we can only overcome temptation with the help of the Helper. So are you saying you never do anything wrong or have wrong thoughts? If you are you must be the only one as I have never yet met a Christian who could claim to be perfect.

 

[justbyfaith]

Absolutely. And we can only overcome temptation with the help of the Helper. So are you saying you never do anything wrong or have wrong thoughts? If you are you must be the only one as I have never yet met a Christian who could claim to be perfect.

If any Christian did claim to be perfect, the scriptures condemn him as having an improper attitude.

However, it should be clear that Hebrews 10:14 (kjv) is a reality in the practical sense for those who have received what is called the "second benefit" (2 Corinthians 1:15).

 

[marks]

It's very much Biblical.

Romans 6
[12] Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
[13] Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
[14] For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
[15] What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
[16] Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

The reasons why Jesus remains our intercessor is that we remain in fallen flesh, and still may sin.

So He intercedes for us.

Much love!

 

[07-07-07]

Absolutely. And we can only overcome temptation with the help of the Helper. So are you saying you never do anything wrong or have wrong thoughts? If you are you must be the only one as I have never yet met a Christian who could claim to be perfect.

Being tempted, and giving into temptation are two different things.

James 1
[2] My brethren, count it all joy when ye fall into divers temptations;
[3] Knowing this, that the trying of your faith worketh patience.
[4] But let patience have her perfect work, that ye may be perfect and entire, wanting nothing.

[14] But every man is tempted, when he is drawn away of his own lust, and enticed.
[15] Then when lust hath conceived, it bringeth forth sin: and sin, when it is finished, bringeth forth death.

 

[07-07-07]

The reasons why Jesus remains our intercessor is that we remain in fallen flesh, and still may sin.

So He intercedes for us.

Much love!

Jesus is indeed our intercessor, and I thank God for Him always. With that said, shall we continue in sin that grace may abound? Obedience is better than sacrifice.

Romans 6
[11] Likewise reckon ye also yourselves to be dead indeed unto sin, but alive unto God through Jesus Christ our Lord.
[12] Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof.
[13] Neither yield ye your members as instruments of unrighteousness unto sin: but yield yourselves unto God, as those that are alive from the dead, and your members as instruments of righteousness unto God.
[14] For sin shall not have dominion over you: for ye are not under the law, but under grace.
[15] What then? shall we sin, because we are not under the law, but under grace? God forbid.
[16] Know ye not, that to whom ye yield yourselves servants to obey, his servants ye are to whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?