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Earburner

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No, Rev 20 promises the future Millennium. You have fallen for the RCC's lies against it and the false "now-Millennium" they created.
No. All who believe in a literal one thousand years, to be still future, have fallen for the false Jewish concept of their unsaved mind.
In that concept, the seven day week is to be equated as being a period of 7000 years, whereby the 7th day of a 1000 years, is a type of sabbath.

Ever since the days of Pentecost, there is no time limit on God's Grace. (Rev. 3:20). "One day IS, to the Lord, AS a thousand years, and a thousand years AS one day". 2 Peter 3:7-13.

In other words, how God thinks about time, has not been applied to this world/earth, as to when its end shall be, even though in His foreknowledge, only He knows the exact literal last day.
All of that is being determined by Him, through His measurement of our repentance towards Him, through having faith in Jesus. When no more people repent towards Him, there will be no more Grace.

In the day that God the Father sends Jesus for His return in the fulness of His Glory, all of 2 Peter 3:7-13 will be fulfilled.
Mat. 24
[36] But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.

EDIT: in every way, the days of Pentecost, aka the Jewish "Feast of Weeks" is symbolic for the grain harvest.
God is still harvesting people
for His Kingdom.

 
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Yes, in the mind of this body of death, the natural man, you are correct. But, as we both know, by being born again we now have the mind of Christ, who is Eternal.
That is what I am saying. I should have been more clear.

In Christ, our inner man is sealed by His Eternal Holy Spirit unto the day of redemption. Therefore, for we who do walk/live in Christ, time is no more, because in Him, we shall now never die.
Where does it say in the Scripture: : being Born-Again means "time is no more"
 

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Im not certain what you mean when you say that "Christianity fabricates"..

What i can tell you is that everyone who hears Paul's gospel of the Grace of God, and believes, . their "faith is counted as righteousness" and they are "justified by Faith"., and given the new birth.


Jesus said..."You must be born again".
There is a difference between CHRIST-ianity (born again saints who learn by "the mind of Christ") and CHURCH-ianity (born again saints who learn by "the wisdom of men").
1 Cor. 2:5.


I said that CHURCH-ianity fabricates.
 

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Where does it say in the Scripture: : being Born-Again means "time is no more"
John 11
[26] And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

There is no such thing as time in God's Eternity. Time is only in our fleshly mind, of which has a beginning and an end.
We, who are born again, now do have the mind of Christ, who is Eternal.
 

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There is a difference between CHRIST-ianity (born again saints who learn by "the mind of Christ") and CHURCH-ianity (born again saints who learn by "the wisdom of men").
1 Cor. 2:5.


I said that CHURCH-ianity fabricates.

Paul teaches that the mind of Christ is to walk in the spirit.
Paul teaches that this place of spirituality, is to exist in the "renewed mind".

Carnal Religious people teach that trying to be good, trying to be righteous, trying to stay saved, trying to endure, trying to "act" like some idea they have of Christ's behavior.... is "Spiritual". is "Christian"...
Its not.
 
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John 11
[26] And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

There is no such thing as time in God's Eternity. Time is only in our fleshly mind, of which has a beginning and an end.
We, who are born again, now do have the mind of Christ, who is Eternal.
JESUS is speaking of the fact/Truth that when we First Rise in the New Birth of the Spirit of God it is unto Eternal Life = spirit only.

That Eternal Life has Time within it AND to which all of Creation is subject to = both the Saved and the Lost.

Time includes Now/Today/Gospel and "the End of this Age/His Second Coming" AND His promise of 1,000 years of thrones.

Time also includes the end/completion/finish of the literal 1,000 years which opens and releases satan for one LAST TIME.
 

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Revelation chapters 16, 19, 20, very same battle in parallel teachings

The book of Revelation is written in parallel teachings of same events, not chronological as dispensationalism falsely teaches
No, it is not written that way.

That is a private interpretation some human decided to apply to Revelation.

John never claims what he sees is the same event, but he has to keep looking at it from different perspectives.
 

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No, it is not written that way.

That is a private interpretation some human decided to apply to Revelation.

John never claims what he sees is the same event, but he has to keep looking at it from different perspectives.
Same progressing Event with various Viewpoints established\/given/defined for it's targeted Audience.
 
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Sorry, but at that time Lazarus was only resucitated. It was impossible for Christ to have given him a new and glorious Immortal body.
The blood of Christ had not been shed yet by Jesus, who only was to be the firstborn from the dead, until He returns from Heaven.
No he was not resuscitated. Lazarus was dead longer than Jesus' body was in the tomb.

That means Jesus was resuscitated as well. That would mean Jesus never died, but was near death, as you claim of Lazarus.

Jesus was the firstborn of God. Enoch and Elijah already were translated to not see death thousands of years prior to Jesus even being born. Your argument has no proof in Scripture, but only in your human imagination.
 
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You are still missing my point. I am not saying that he sojourned in the land of the Philistines in all of his days on the earth. That would be a dumb thing to claim, frankly. No, I'm saying that when it talks about him sojourning there for many days it's referring to all of the days he sojourned there rather than just some of the days he sojourned there. Do you understand what I'm saying now?

All of the days Abraham sojourned in the land of the Philistines were many. Even though many can be translated multitude of days, abundant days, plenteous days, etc. the Hebrew word rab, is not translated as 'all'.

Daniel's prophesy is what shall come to "thy people" in the latter days. Who are Daniel's people? They are Israel of faith, Israel of God (Ga 6:16). Are the 'latter days' limited to the days of Daniel? No. The latter days according to Peter began at Pentecost when the Spirit was poured out upon all (meaning without distinction, not without exception) people. (Acts 2:14-21) Peter writes the outpouring of the Holy Spirit was fulfillment of the Prophet Joel of what shall come to pass in the last days. Notice, not the last day, but the last days. That's because the prophets write that many things shall come in this time written as the Day of the Lord that would come. Not everything written from old about this time/age/era would come to pass in one day but that time that finally commenced with the coming of the Messiah would be made known through the sign gift that came when men from different tongues and nations began to speak in languages they did not know. Daniel's prophesy should be examined from the beginning.

Daniel 10:14 (KJV) Now I am come to make thee understand what shall befall thy people in the latter days: for yet the vision is for many days.

Daniel 10:21 (KJV) But I will shew thee that which is noted in the scripture of truth: and there is none that holdeth with me in these things, but Michael your prince.

Daniel 12:1 (KJV) And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the book.

Daniel 12:2-4 (KJV)
And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt. And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever. But thou, O Daniel, shut up the words, and seal the book, even to the time of the end: many shall run to and fro, and knowledge shall be increased.

Understand that Daniel's prophesy began to be fulfilled at the birth of Christ, when Michael stood up for "thy people" (Rev 12:) and there shall be a time of trouble as never seen before. A time when "thy people" shall be delivered, every one found written in the book. Daniel writes that his people of faith, who had died waiting for fulfillment of the promise came for those who had died waiting for Him to come. Like Christ, they too were awakened out of sleep and through their spirit ascended to heaven after Christ was resurrected from the grave. When He died, the body of Christ went into the tomb, but His spirit returned to the Father. (Lu 23:46) According to Solomon that is where every human spirit goes when the body died.

Ecclesiastes 12:7 (KJV) Then shall the dust return to the earth as it was: and the spirit shall return unto God who gave it.

The spiritual bodies of saints coming out of the graves was not seen or recorded by anyone throughout the Bible. But there are a multitude of the heavenly hosts that witnessed them going into the holy city, heavenly Jerusalem, a city whose builder and maker is God. This spiritual resurrection proves fulfillment of the words Christ spoke when He said whosoever lives and believes in Him, though he were dead yet shall he live, and his life shall be eternal.

The some that shall be awakened to shame and contempt will not with the faithful live again, because in death their spirit returned to the Father without eternal life that comes from the Spirit of God in us. They too will be bodily resurrected in these last days Daniel wrote would come, but it will be on the last day of this age, in the final hour coming, when the last trumpet sounds. They will be raised to life to stand before God at the GWTJ and judged according to what is written in the books and since they shall not be found written in the book of life they will be cast into the eternal lake of fire, that is the second death.

One last point, John writes of the hour coming, when there shall be a physical resurrection of ALL who have died on earth. The physical bodies of every human shall be raised to life again to either be reunited with a living eternal spirit, and bodies changed to immortal and incorruptible, OR raised for damnation.
 

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Dying in this world is not even remotely the same as being damned to Hell for ETERNITY. Discernment brother, come on.

Every mortal human still left alive on the same first earth shall be utterly destroyed by the all consuming fire that shall come down from heaven. NONE will survive! There will not be mortals left alive to repopulate the new earth for one thousand more years! Discernment brother, come on.
 
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Verse please?

When Christ comes again those of faith in Him, both who have physically died and those of faith who are still alive at His coming again shall be caught up to meet the Lord in the air, and the faithful saints shall be changed to immortal, and incorruptible. Before fire comes down from God out of heaven upon Gog (antichrists) and Magog (antichristians) the faithful escape God's wrath by being caught up to the Lord.

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 (KJV) For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

1 Corinthians 15:51-53 (KJV) Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

Revelation 20:7-9 (KJV) And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

At the same moment, the trump of God shall sound, the last/seventh trumpet, announcing the return of Christ. In the final conflict when time shall be no more, Satan and his minions have the last physically living saints still alive on this earth surrounded, but at that moment the saints are caught up to Christ until the wrath of God is finished. None left alive on this earth shall survive this fire from heaven. Paul describes this moment of time as "flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the Gospel of our Lord". Paul says this fire shall be everlasting destruction when He shall come to be glorified in His saints.

2 Thessalonians 1:8-10 (KJV) In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ: Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power; When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.
 

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When Christ comes again those of faith in Him, both who have physically died and those of faith who are still alive at His coming again shall be caught up to meet the Lord in the air, and the faithful saints shall be changed to immortal, and incorruptible. Before fire comes down from God out of heaven upon Gog (antichrists) and Magog (antichristians) the faithful escape God's wrath by being caught up to the Lord.

1 Thessalonians 4:16-17 (KJV) For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

1 Corinthians 15:51-53 (KJV) Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed, In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

Revelation 20:7-9 (KJV) And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison, And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea. And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

At the same moment, the trump of God shall sound, the last/seventh trumpet, announcing the return of Christ. In the final conflict when time shall be no more, Satan and his minions have the last physically living saints still on this earth surrounded, but


Thank you for your response.
 
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Same progressing Event with various Viewpoints established\/given/defined for it's targeted Audience.
Yes Revelation chapters 16, 19, 20, is the very same battle as you explain, in parallel teachings of the same event

Dispensationalism that many follow falsely teaches that the book of Revelation is Chronological in reading "False"

The book of Revelation is taught in parallel teachings of same events

Examples:

The 7th Vial and 7th Trump are parallel teachings of (The End)

Revelation 11:18 and Revelation 20:11-15 are parallel teachings of the (Final Judgement)

Jesus Is The Lord
 
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Yes Revelation chapters 16, 19, 20, is the very same battle as you explain, in parallel teachings of the same event

Dispensationalism that many follow falsely teach that the book of Revelation is Chronological in reading "False"

The book of Revelation is taught in parallel teachings of same events

Examples:

The 7th Vial and 7th Trump are parallel teachings of (The End)

Revelation 11:18 and Revelation 20:11-15 are parallel teachings of the (Final Judgement)

Jesus Is The Lord
Good Afternoon 7t7,

My post Post 328, i was only referring to His Second Coming up to chapter 20 verses 1-6

It is clear from Rev ch20 that a NEW Time Period BEGINS with the Second Coming of Christ.

That NEW Time Period was established beforehand by GOD in Genesis for us to SEE.

Peace and Blessing be upon you Today from our LORD Jesus Christ
 

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No, he was resurrected from the dead and he wasn't the only one before Christ resurrected.

I didn't say he was resurrected in an immortal body but he was resurrected from the dead.
Your claim is "False" Lazarus was "Raised From The Dead" not "Ressurected" as you falsely claim

The word "Resurrection" pertains to a future event at the second coming, when the believer receives their glorified immortal body

Jesus Is The Lord

John 12:1KJV
Then Jesus six days before the passover came to Bethany, where Lazarus was, which had been dead, whom he raised from the dead.
 
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It is clear from Rev ch20 that a NEW Time Period BEGINS with the Second Coming of Christ.

That NEW Time Period was established beforehand by GOD in Genesis for us to SEE.
What new time period begins at the "second coming", what is it called "eternity"?
 
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David in NJ

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What new time period, what is it called?
The NEW Time Period is called a couple of Names: in Revelation it is "the First Resurrection" AND deliverance from the Second Death.

Revelation 2: 8-11 These are the words of the First and the Last, who died and returned to life.

I know your affliction and your poverty—though you are rich! And I am aware of the slander of those who falsely claim to be Jews, but are in fact a synagogue of Satan.

Do not fear what you are about to suffer. Look, the devil is about to throw some of you into prison to test you, and you will suffer tribulation for ten days. Be faithful even unto death, and I will give you the crown of life.

He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches. The one who overcomes will not be harmed by the second death.

Rev 20: 4-5
Then I saw the thrones, and those seated on them had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image, and had not received its mark on their foreheads or hands. And they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.

The rest of the dead did not come back to life until the thousand years were complete.
( Name/Title given here) This is the first resurrection.
Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection!

(Name/Title of final Judgment) The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ,
and will reign with Him for a thousand years.