No More Death

[Spiritual Israelite]

The Gospel message about Christ is freely offered to all of humanity without exception. People from all nations, and kindreds, and tongues are able to hear the message of Christ; the Gospel. Those He did predestinate, them He also called, and He also justified, and glorified. Hearing the Gospel of salvation is not proof of being called by God. The hearing must be accompanied by saving faith that is the gift of God.

Romans 8:30 (KJV) Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

Who among all of mankind can be saved according to grace through faith? Whosoever among mankind who hears the Gospel and believes in Christ shall be saved.

Matthew 22:14 (KJV) For many are called, but few are chosen.

Many in this verse are whosoever or the whole number of those who shall be saved. In which shall be an innumerable multitude. In the same way the sojourn of Abraham in the land of the Philistines were many days, for they were not few, neither will the many who are called be any less than a great multitude, which no man could number.

It wasn't really my intention to have an ongoing discussion about Matthew 22:14. I referenced that in my attempt to show that the word translated as "many" or "multitudes" doesn't have to mean "not all", which is a fact.

But, since I strongly disagree with what you're saying here, I can't help but respond.

No, the "many" in Matthew 22:14 are not "the whole number of those who shall be saved". Did you read Matthew 22:1-13 to see the context of what Matthew 22:14 means? The gospel call to salvation is compared to an invitation to a wedding banquet. Jesus talked about those who had rejected the invitation in the beginning (the unbelieving Jews) and then the invitation went out to the highways (Gentile nations) after that. Those unbelieving Jews are among those who have been called. But, they are not chosen.

So, the many who are called are all people who are called to salvation, which is literally all people. They are the same people who God commands to repent, which is "all people everywhere" (Acts 17:30). So, the many who are called include all saved and all lost people. It is the chosen who make up "the whole number of those who shall be saved". Multitudes (many) are called to salvation, but relatively few answer the call (accept the invitation).

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

My understanding is the Jesus will resurrect Christians and they will rule on this earth with him in the age to come.

At the end of that age, Jesus will resurrect everybody else and then all will live in God's kingdom in the NEW earth.

How does your understanding line up with what Peter said here:

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare. 11 Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives 12 as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. 13 But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

"False"

There are two future resurrection that will take place on "The Last Day", the righteous will be "First" out of the future two resurrection that will take place

I agree. But, this does not change the FACT that Jesus Christ's resurrection was the first resurrection unto bodily immortality. So, the mass resurrection of the dead in Christ at His return is not the first resurrection. His resurrection was the first.

(First Resurrection) seen in Revelation 20:4-6 pertains to (The Dead In Christ Shall Rise First)

You're not making any sense. If that is the first bodily resurrection then the resurrection of the rest of the dead could not happen on the last day since the rest of the dead don't get resurrected until AFTER the thousand years. It does not say that those who have part in the first resurrection don't have part in the first resurrection until after the thousand years. Instead, it says those who have part in the first resurrection reign with Christ DURING the thousand years. Why do you ignore things like this? Even Premils don't do that.

Reformed Eschatology tries desperately to interpret this as Jesus Christ being the (First Resurrection) "False" as those seen in Revelation 20:4-6 are (The Souls) who are (The Dead In Christ)

Show me where "Reformed Eschatology" teaches this? Where do you even get that from? Or are you making that up?

Revelation 20:4-6KJV
And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

1 Thessalonians 4:16KJV
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:

Did you forget already when I showed the context of 1 Thess 4:16? That is NOT saying that the dead in Christ shall rise first before those who are not in Christ. That is saying that the dead in Christ will rise first BEFORE then being caught up to meet Christ in the air along with those who are still alive when He comes. That is the context of that verse. That has nothing to do with the order of mass bodily resurrections. But, you change the context to fit your understanding of the first resurrection.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

He won't answer direct questions when asked, running in complete diversion, a standard with the poster

The same can be said about you, though. There have been several times when you have ignored questions and, instead of directly answering them, you just repeat things that you had already said many times.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

i never alluded to anything = not once

God said this (not me) "Then all the survivors from the nations that came against Jerusalem will go up year after year
to worship the King, the LORD of Hosts, and to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles."

Last time i checked it is not advisable to go against God's words.

So, you believe that animal sacrifices will be reinstated when Christ returns? Celebrating the feast of tabernacles involves performing animal sacrifices. If you take that literally and believe it will occur when Christ returns then you are forced to believe in the reinstatement of animal sacrifices which completely contradicts what is taught in passages like Hebrews 8-10.

 

[David in NJ]

So, you believe that animal sacrifices will be reinstated when Christ returns? Celebrating the feast of tabernacles involves performing animal sacrifices. If you take that literally and believe it will occur when Christ returns then you are forced to believe in the reinstatement of animal sacrifices which completely contradicts what is taught in passages like Hebrews 8-10.

Zechariah 14:16 - "Then all the survivors from the nations that came against Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the LORD of Hosts, and to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles."

"Worship the King"
No animal sacrifice required.

 

[Truth7t7]

I agree. But, this does not change the FACT that Jesus Christ's resurrection was the first resurrection unto bodily immortality. So, the mass resurrection of the dead in Christ at His return is not the first resurrection. His resurrection was the first.

The scripture below (INTERPRETS) and gives the timing of the (First Resurrection) When The Thoysand Years Are (Finisged)

(The Rest Of The Dead) are waiting for their future resurrection, when the non-literal thousand years are "FINISHED", it then screams the "Interpretation" at the reader

(THIS IS THE FIRST RESURRECTION)

Your claim that the interpretation of (First Resurrection) being those saved and partaking in the resurrection of Jesus Christ 2,000 years ago is 100% "False"

(The Thousand Years Were Finished)
(This Is The First Resurrection)

Reformed Preterist Eschatology Is 100% False, In Its Interpretation Of (First Resurrection) Seen In Revelation 20:5 Below

Jesus Is The Lord

Revelation 20:5KJV
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

 

[Truth7t7]

Zechariah 14:16 - "Then all the survivors from the nations that came against Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the LORD of Hosts, and to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles."

"Worship the King"
No animal sacrifice required.

 

[Truth7t7]

As you have been shown several times, only the righteous saved are seen in Zechariah 14:16, it represents the eternal kingdom, not a millennial kingdom on this earth as you continue to claim

Zechariah 14:16 Who Will Be Left Of The Nations?​

You will closely note, Zechariah 14:16 & Isaiah 4:3-4 are "Parallel" readings of the same event, as Isaiah gives a clear account of those who are left, those who are found in the book of life, the final judgement has passed, eternity has begun "After" The Day Of The Lord

You will closely note in Isaiah 4:4 below, Jerusalem will be purged by the spirit of (Judgement) & (Burning)

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Only The Righteous Are Left, The Book Of Life "Was" Opened (Every One That Is Written Among The Living)

Zechariah 14:16KJV
16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Isaiah 4:3-4KJV
3 And it shall come to pass, that he that is left in Zion, and he that remaineth in Jerusalem, shall be called holy, even every one that is written among the living in Jerusalem:
4 When the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion, and shall have purged the blood of Jerusalem from the midst thereof by the spirit of judgment, and by the spirit of burning.

Revelation 21:24-27KJV
24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

 

[Patrick1966]

How does your understanding line up with what Peter said here:

2 Peter 3:10 But the day of the Lord will come like a thief. The heavens will disappear with a roar; the elements will be destroyed by fire, and the earth and everything done in it will be laid bare. 11 Since everything will be destroyed in this way, what kind of people ought you to be? You ought to live holy and godly lives 12 as you look forward to the day of God and speed its coming. That day will bring about the destruction of the heavens by fire, and the elements will melt in the heat. 13 But in keeping with his promise we are looking forward to a new heaven and a new earth, where righteousness dwells.

It seems that my "understanding" was a misunderstanding. But that's why I'm here, to share and to learn. Thank you for clearing that up for me!

 

[Patrick1966]

The same can be said about you, though. There have been several times when you have ignored questions and, instead of directly answering them, you just repeat things that you had already said many times.

He becomes very uncharitable to those who don't share his interpretations.

 

[David in NJ]

As you have been shown several times, only the righteous saved are seen in Zechariah 14:16, it represents the eternal kingdom, not a millennial kingdom on this earth as you continue to claim

Zechariah 14:16 Who Will Be Left Of The Nations?​

You will closely note, Zechariah 14:16 & Isaiah 4:3-4 are "Parallel" readings of the same event, as Isaiah gives a clear account of those who are left, those who are found in the book of life, the final judgement has passed, eternity has begun "After" The Day Of The Lord

You will closely note in Isaiah 4:4 below, Jerusalem will be purged by the spirit of (Judgement) & (Burning)

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Only The Righteous Are Left, The Book Of Life "Was" Opened (Every One That Is Written Among The Living)

Zechariah 14:16KJV
16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the Lord of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.

Isaiah 4:3-4KJV
3 And it shall come to pass, that he that is left in Zion, and he that remaineth in Jerusalem, shall be called holy, even every one that is written among the living in Jerusalem:
4 When the Lord shall have washed away the filth of the daughters of Zion, and shall have purged the blood of Jerusalem from the midst thereof by the spirit of judgment, and by the spirit of burning.

Revelation 21:24-27KJV
24 And the nations of them which are saved shall walk in the light of it: and the kings of the earth do bring their glory and honour into it.
25 And the gates of it shall not be shut at all by day: for there shall be no night there.
26 And they shall bring the glory and honour of the nations into it.
27 And there shall in no wise enter into it any thing that defileth, neither whatsoever worketh abomination, or maketh a lie: but they which are written in the Lamb's book of life.

Turn away from religious error.

Revelation chapter 21 is AFTER the 1,000 Year Rule

Zechariah 14:16-19
Then all the survivors from the nations that came against Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the LORD of Hosts, and to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles. And should any of the families of the earth not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of Hosts, then the rain will not fall on them. And if the people of Egypt will not go up and enter in, then the rain will not fall on them; this will be the plague with which the LORD strikes the nations who do not go up to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles. This will be the punishment of Egypt and of all the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles.

 

[Spiritual Israelite]

Zechariah 14:16 - "Then all the survivors from the nations that came against Jerusalem will go up year after year to worship the King, the LORD of Hosts, and to celebrate the Feast of Tabernacles."

"Worship the King"
No animal sacrifice required.

You obviously didn't get my point, so I guess I will have to spell it out to you. Do you stop reading at verse 16? Read the rest of the chapter from there.

Zechariah 14:17 If any of the peoples of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord Almighty, they will have no rain. 18 If the Egyptian people do not go up and take part, they will have no rain. The Lord[b] will bring on them the plague he inflicts on the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles. 19 This will be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles. 20 On that day holy to the Lord will be inscribed on the bells of the horses, and the cooking pots in the Lord’s house will be like the sacred bowls in front of the altar. 21 Every pot in Jerusalem and Judah will be holy to the Lord Almighty, and all who come to sacrifice will take some of the pots and cook in them. And on that day there will no longer be a Canaanitein the house of the Lord Almighty.

If you're going to take Zechariah 14:16 literally then you should take the rest of the chapter literally as well. If you do that then you should understsand that in order to celebrate and observe the feast of tabernacles, animal sacrifices are required to be made. Notice in verse 21 it talks about people coming "to sacrifice" using cooking pots. If this is all meant to be taken literally and meant to apply to a time period after Christ returns then that would imply that animal sacrifices will be reinstated because performing animal sacrifices is a part of the feast of tabernacles. Do you understand what I'm telling you?

 

[Truth7t7]

Turn away from religious error.

Revelation chapter 21 is AFTER the 1,000 Year Rule

No such thing as a 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom on this earth as you continue to claim

Jesus returns in fire and final judgment (The End) you deny this as you have been shown "several times"

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

 

[Earburner]

Says you. The other issue is it does not say they went up into heaven but went to Jerusalem. Clearly not a match. Rev 11 is future, not past.

You don't even know what the two witnesses are, let alone can identify the two olive trees of them.

I didn't say that the many saints, at the time of Jesus resurrection, were resurrected into heaven. We know that Jesus didn't ascend right away. He did not ascend into heaven until after 40 days had past. Acts 1:3.
I speculate that all who were bodily resurrected after His resurrection did also ascend with Him.

According to your understanding, are you thinking that the two witnesses are the OT and NT scriptures?

Then why did he receive the HS, if he already had the HS?

Mat 3:16 And Jesus, when he was baptized, went up straightway out of the water: and, lo, the heavens were opened unto him, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove, and lighting upon him:
Mat 3:17 And lo a voice from heaven, saying, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased.

Heb. 10
[5] Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou prepared me:
Jesus Himself is Holy Spirit and therefore entered into the fleshly body that His Father prepared for Him upon conception.

At His baptism, His Father who is also of Holy Spirit, joined Him. Therefore, God the Father who is Spirit only, now dwelled in God the Son's mortal flesh, and after His resurrection into Immortal flesh. Together, they are One in Holy Spirit.

This helps us to better understand how it is that through the flesh of Jesus, God can now dwell within us.
Heb. 10
[16] This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, saith the Lord, I will put my laws into their hearts, and in their minds will I write them;
[17] And their sins and iniquities will I remember no more.
[18] Now where remission of these is, there is no more offering for sin.

[19] Having therefore, brethren, boldness to enter into the holiest by the blood of Jesus,
[20] By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the VEIL, that is to say, HIS FLESH;
Without the sacrifice of Jesus, the Father never would be able to dwell within us, which has always been His deepest desire.
God the Father needed the sacrifice of His Son, just as much as we need Him.

So then, when we repent towards God, and invite the Spirit of Jesus to dwell within us, the Father who dwells within Him (Jesus himself, is His Father's house), comes with Jesus to dwell within us, being together, one in Holy Spirit. John 14:9, Luke 11:13, Rev. 3:20, John 3:3-8, Rom. 8:8-9, 1 John 5:12-13

 

[rwb]

It wasn't really my intention to have an ongoing discussion about Matthew 22:14. I referenced that in my attempt to show that the word translated as "many" or "multitudes" doesn't have to mean "not all", which is a fact.

But, since I strongly disagree with what you're saying here, I can't help but respond.

No, the "many" in Matthew 22:14 are not "the whole number of those who shall be saved". Did you read Matthew 22:1-13 to see the context of what Matthew 22:14 means? The gospel call to salvation is compared to an invitation to a wedding banquet. Jesus talked about those who had rejected the invitation in the beginning (the unbelieving Jews) and then the invitation went out to the highways (Gentile nations) after that. Those unbelieving Jews are among those who have been called. But, they are not chosen.

So, the many who are called are all people who are called to salvation, which is literally all people. They are the same people who God commands to repent, which is "all people everywhere" (Acts 17:30). So, the many who are called include all saved and all lost people. It is the chosen who make up "the whole number of those who shall be saved". Multitudes (many) are called to salvation, but relatively few answer the call (accept the invitation).

The Gospel was ordained to go out unto the Gentile nations because prior to the first advent the Gentiles had no knowledge of the Messiah. How are they too among the called if "many called" are all people since they lived and died without hearing the Gospel call?

 

[David in NJ]

You obviously didn't get my point, so I guess I will have to spell it out to you. Do you stop reading at verse 16? Read the rest of the chapter from there.

Zechariah 14:17 If any of the peoples of the earth do not go up to Jerusalem to worship the King, the Lord Almighty, they will have no rain. 18 If the Egyptian people do not go up and take part, they will have no rain. The Lord[b] will bring on them the plague he inflicts on the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles. 19 This will be the punishment of Egypt and the punishment of all the nations that do not go up to celebrate the Festival of Tabernacles. 20 On that day holy to the Lord will be inscribed on the bells of the horses, and the cooking pots in the Lord’s house will be like the sacred bowls in front of the altar. 21 Every pot in Jerusalem and Judah will be holy to the Lord Almighty, and all who come to sacrifice will take some of the pots and cook in them. And on that day there will no longer be a Canaanitein the house of the Lord Almighty.

If you're going to take Zechariah 14:16 literally then you should take the rest of the chapter literally as well. If you do that then you should understsand that in order to celebrate and observe the feast of tabernacles, animal sacrifices are required to be made. Notice in verse 21 it talks about people coming "to sacrifice" using cooking pots. If this is all meant to be taken literally and meant to apply to a time period after Christ returns then that would imply that animal sacrifices will be reinstated because performing animal sacrifices is a part of the feast of tabernacles. Do you understand what I'm telling you?

n that day holy to the Lord will be inscribed on the bells of the horses, and the cooking pots in the Lord’s house will be like the sacred bowls in front of the altar. 21 Every pot in Jerusalem and Judah will be holy to the Lord Almighty, and all who come to sacrifice will take some of the pots and cook in them.


When you have guest over for dinner = you cook

There are no more blood sacrifices for sin being instituted here.

 

[David in NJ]

No such thing as a 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom on this earth as you continue to claim

Jesus returns in fire and final judgment (The End) you deny this as you have been shown "several times"

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

God makes the Declarations of His Will = we are Called to believe His Declarations.

God establish a literal 1,000 years in Genesis and confirmed it by saying it again in Revelation.

Jesus answered, “It is written: ‘Man shall not live on bread alone,but on every word that comes from the mouth of God."

 

[Earburner]

n that day holy to the Lord will be inscribed on the bells of the horses, and the cooking pots in the Lord’s house will be like the sacred bowls in front of the altar. 21 Every pot in Jerusalem and Judah will be holy to the Lord Almighty, and all who come to sacrifice will take some of the pots and cook in them.


When you have guest over for dinner = you cook

There are no more blood sacrifices for sin being instituted here.

Yes! Zech. 14 is now!! Ever since Pentecost.

 

[David in NJ]

Yes! Zech. 14 is now!! Ever since Pentecost.

NOPE - wrong again

Then the Lord will go forth
And fight against those nations,
As He fights in the day of battle.
And in that day His feet will stand on the Mount of Olives,
Which faces Jerusalem on the east.
And the Mount of Olives shall be split in two,
From east to west,
Making a very large valley;
Half of the mountain shall move toward the north
And half of it toward the south.

Thus the Lord my God will come,
And all the saints with You = 1 Thessalonians 4:13-18