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When we are complete living soul once again, as we were at creation, we will be complete/perfect.
I noticed that you purposely did not quote my last sentence** from post #638, so here it is again:
"What did you think, that we being "partakers of the divine nature", is only an expression for our future immortaliy?? No, it's right NOW.
"We HAVE this treasure [of God Himself] in earthen vessels [our mortal bodies]."
2 Cor. 4:7.

**Just that scripture alone, should tell us all WHAT the NEW Earth shall be.
1 John 5:12-13.

Does my **last sentence, immediately above, offend you?

Of course, I am thinking that it might, mainly because it is not a popular concept among the doctrines of the indoctrinated, by those who view the scriptures through the lens of "church-ianity", aka "the wisdom of men".
1 Cor. 2:5

So, if it does offend you, then you should know that I have the understanding of Jesus' death, resurrection and ascension from God the Father's point of view, and not only from our view.

God doesn't care to live on a planet, whether it be remodeled or brand new.
In fact, when you really think about, Jesus hasn't needed a planet for these past 2,023 years.

God the Father's deepest desire, since Adam, has always been to permanently dwell within each of us, and then take us into His Eternity, upon Jesus' Glorious return, when we shall also be made into the likeness of Jesus.
Why? God the Father is a Spirit, having neither shape or form.

As I also did say in 638:
The Father needed the sacrifice of His Eternal Son, just as much as we do.
Otherwise, God Himself would not be able to dwell within our "earthen vessels" AT ALL.

We each were created FOR HIMSELF, and not for a planet!
 
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Nope! You still are not seeing it.
To be born again by His Holy Spirit, is not a sign around your neck saying that you are born again, just because you read His words.
It's simply said in the following way:
Rom. 8:8-9
[8] So then they that are in the flesh [only] cannot please God.

[9] But ye are not in the flesh [only], but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you.
Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

That means NO resurrection into ANY kind of life, whatsoever. Whether that be IMMORTALITY OR MORTALITY.

All of such will remain condemned and dead for all eternity. Why?
John 3:18.......because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

Through faith in Christ, we already have Eternal Life. The vehicle of that Gift is His ETERNAL Holy Spirit. We are just waiting for His return from Heaven, to be immortalized into His likeness.
Again, 1 John 5:12-13.

You're not saying anything new, anything I disagree with. What is it you think I am still not seeing? Our discussion was regarding Old Covenant faithful saints belonging to the spiritual Kingdom of God and how/when they ascended to heaven. The only reason I engaged with you is because you seem to believe they were not saved until after Pentecost. I believe the Spirit being WITH them, though not yet IN them, they were saved according to grace through faith that came from the Spirit when they heard of the Messiah who was to come to redeem them, and they believed.

The other part of our discussion was when we are made in the likeness of Christ. You seem to think I need to be told the Spirit in us is not seen through physical sight, but rather understood through faith? We are in the likeness of Christ spiritually when we are born again and have His Spirit in us. But that is not physically made known and will not be completely like Christ with immortality and incorruptible until we are physically resurrected, and our bodies changed. Until the end of this age of time we know with blessed assurance through His Spirit in us that what Christ has begun in us, He will complete.

This verse is true for men/women of faith no matter when they lived and died. If in life we believe in Christ, we have eternal life according to grace through faith.

Philippians 1:6 (KJV) Being confident of this very thing, that he which hath begun a good work in you will perform it until the day of Jesus Christ:
 

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I noticed that you purposely did not quote my last sentence** from post #638, so here it is again:
"What did you think, that we being "partakers of the divine nature", is only an expression for our future immortaliy?? No, it's right NOW.
"We HAVE this treasure [of God Himself] in earthen vessels [our mortal bodies]."
2 Cor. 4:7.

**Just that scripture alone, should tell us all WHAT the NEW Earth shall be.
1 John 5:12-13.

Does my **last sentence, immediately above, offend you?

Of course, I am thinking that it might, mainly because it is not a popular concept among the doctrines of the indoctrinated, by those who view the scriptures through the lens of "church-ianity", aka "the wisdom of men".
1 Cor. 2:5

So, if it does offend you, then you should know that I have the understanding of Jesus' death, resurrection and ascension from God the Father's point of view, and not only from our view.

God doesn't care to live on a planet, whether it be remodeled or brand new.
In fact, when you really think about, Jesus hasn't needed a planet for these past 2,023 years.

God the Father's deepest desire, since Adam, has always been to permanently dwell within each of us, and then take us into His Eternity, upon Jesus' Glorious return, when we shall also be made into the likeness of Jesus.
Why? God the Father is a Spirit, having neither shape or form.

As I also did say in 638:
The Father needed the sacrifice of His Eternal Son, just as much as we do.
Otherwise, God Himself would not be able to dwell within our "earthen vessels" AT ALL.

We each were created FOR HIMSELF, and not for a planet!

I've never said that we are not NOW, when we are born again, partakers of His divine nature spiritually, through His Spirit in us! That does NOT make us the new earth. That is a promise from God that we shall inherit the new earth forever. Your statement does not offend me, I simply don't believe you have rightly understood. If you had said that only those of faith shall inhabit the new earth, then I would agree.

I do however find it offensive that you seem to think that anyone who disagrees with this view of believers being the new earth is because we have been indoctrinated by men. You say are, "those who view the scriptures through the lens of "church-ianity", aka "the wisdom of men"." Then you go on to claim, "So, if it does offend you, then you should know that I have the understanding of Jesus' death, resurrection and ascension from God the Father's point of view, and not only from our view." This comes across as extremely arrogant and self-righteous.

You need to understand God DOES NOT NEED MAN - MAN NEEDS GOD! But God desires to have a relationship with mankind out of love for us. If God did not desire to have a relationship with mankind, it makes no sense for Him to create man. God created man with total autonomy, knowing that man would NEVER of their own free will choose to submit to another being. Not even to the Creator for life everlasting. Man will always choose death over life if it means they must submit their will to another. Mankind with unfettered free will always chooses to be master of their destiny. Without knowing what is good and what is evil, God knew man would need to learn of these emotions themselves. To have and understand love and hate must be experienced. If God created man without complete autonomy, with Him directing their every step, then man would have been nothing more than God's puppet on a string. God desired to have from man the same kind of love that He has for us. So before creation the triune God-head ordained a way that man too could have unselfish love from a pure heart like His, and would love Him as He does them. It's so wonderfully amazing this love of God that is so rich and pure and willing to give Himself so that His people will be like Him, and fully see Him as He is, able with pure hearts to love Him as He loves us.
 

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The only reason I engaged with you is because you seem to believe they were not saved until after Pentecost. I believe the Spirit being WITH them, though not yet IN them, they were saved according to grace through faith that came from the Spirit when they heard of the Messiah who was to come to redeem them, and they believed.
Yes, we are dancing around that one issue. But, the following extreme, for understanding, is what we all must agree to:
Rom. 8
[9] But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if ANY MAN have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

The same applies to all the people of faith, who died under the OC.
Though all were dead, they were STILL in waiting for "The Promise", being that of "the [literal] Spirit of Christ", of which was given to them upon Jesus' resurrection, as shown in Rev. 6:9-11.

Now, here is the understanding, of which most Christians are not learning:
God the Father could not and cannot permanently  DWELL WITHIN any man, who is "from beneath", at anytime.
However, because Jesus is the Eternal Son of the Father, the sacrifice of Jesus' LITERAL shed blood, being LITERALLY poured out of the mortal flesh of His mortal body, ALLOWS the Father AGAIN to dwell within Jesus!! Now you know why Jesus said: "Father, why hast thou FORSAKEN me?"

In that time of Jesus dieing on the Cross, His Father actually DID LEAVE Him. Why?
Jesus had taken upon Himself "the sin of the world", and God the Father cannot permanently dwell in any being that is sinful, even Jesus, who in that moment "was made to be sin for us", aka. "The Lamb OF God".
2 Cor. 5:21
Now, during His resurrection, the Father re-entered His Son, and now they both ARE TOGETHER in Jesus, being One again, aka One in Holy Spirit.
As a result, when we receive Jesus into our life to be our Savior, the Father who dwells within Jesus , comes with Him to be in us.
Rev. 3:20

Therefore, whosoever rejects the Son, does also reject the Father, who is now permanently within Jesus, with Jesus Himself being the VIEL, through His flesh, for the sake of the Father, as well as for ours. For no man shall look upon the Face of the Father and live.
Heb. 10
[20] By a new and living way, which he hath consecrated for us, through the veil, that is to say, his flesh;

Exodus 3
[20] And he said, Thou canst not see my face: for there shall no man see me, and live.
 
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God doesn't care to live on a planet, whether it be remodeled or brand new.


That's not what God says.

1Ch_23:25 For David said, The LORD God of Israel hath given rest unto his people, that they may dwell in Jerusalem for ever:

Rev_5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

Psa_37:9 For evildoers shall be cut off: but those that wait upon the LORD, they shall inherit the earth.

Psa_37:11 But the meek shall inherit the earth; and shall delight themselves in the abundance of peace.

Psa_37:22 For such as be blessed of him shall inherit the earth; and they that be cursed of him shall be cut off.

Mat_5:5 Blessed are the meek: for they shall inherit the earth.

Job_19:25 For I know that my redeemer liveth, and that he shall stand at the latter day upon the earth:

Zec 14:16 And it shall come to pass, that every one that is left of all the nations which came against Jerusalem shall even go up from year to year to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, and to keep the feast of tabernacles.
Zec 14:17 And it shall be, that whoso will not come up of all the families of the earth unto Jerusalem to worship the King, the LORD of hosts, even upon them shall be no rain.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.

Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.


Rev 21:10 And he carried me away in the spirit to a great and high mountain, and shewed me that great city, the holy Jerusalem, descending out of heaven from God,
Rev 21:11 Having the glory of God: and her light was like unto a stone most precious, even like a jasper stone, clear as crystal;
Rev 21:12 And had a wall great and high, and had twelve gates, and at the gates twelve angels, and names written thereon, which are the names of the twelve tribes of the children of Israel:
Rev 21:13 On the east three gates; on the north three gates; on the south three gates; and on the west three gates.
Rev 21:14 And the wall of the city had twelve foundations, and in them the names of the twelve apostles of the Lamb.
Rev 21:15 And he that talked with me had a golden reed to measure the city, and the gates thereof, and the wall thereof.
Rev 21:16 And the city lieth foursquare, and the length is as large as the breadth: and he measured the city with the reed, twelve thousand furlongs. The length and the breadth and the height of it are equal.
Rev 21:17 And he measured the wall thereof, an hundred and forty and four cubits, according to the measure of a man, that is, of the angel.
Rev 21:18 And the building of the wall of it was of jasper: and the city was pure gold, like unto clear glass.
Rev 21:19 And the foundations of the wall of the city were garnished with all manner of precious stones. The first foundation was jasper; the second, sapphire; the third, a chalcedony; the fourth, an emerald;
Rev 21:20 The fifth, sardonyx; the sixth, sardius; the seventh, chrysolite; the eighth, beryl; the ninth, a topaz; the tenth, a chrysoprasus; the eleventh, a jacinth; the twelfth, an amethyst.
Rev 21:21 And the twelve gates were twelve pearls; every several gate was of one pearl: and the street of the city was pure gold, as it were transparent glass.
Rev 21:22 And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.



It is not man who will go to heaven to dwell with the Father and Jesus in the eternity but the Father and Jesus dwelling with Man upon the new Earth!

Heaven is the temporary dwelling place for God, angels and the spirits of the dead saints. The eternal home for all is the new Earth.
 

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I've never said that we are not NOW, when we are born again, partakers of His divine nature spiritually, through His Spirit in us! That does NOT make us the new earth. That is a promise from God that we shall inherit the new earth forever. Your statement does not offend me, I simply don't believe you have rightly understood. If you had said that only those of faith shall inhabit the new earth, then I would agree.
My form of delivery is necessary, so that most here would know what it is that we are inheriting exactly.

For me to use the words "inhabit" the new earth", does not define what the NEW Earth is.
But, since I have made a clear distinction between "the New earth" being our Immortal flesh, as opossed to "the New earth" being a planet, I would not be surprised that you might not agree with me, as will be the case for most others.
The key word is "treasure".
2 Cor. 4
[7] But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.
Mat. 6
[21] For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.
 

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Heaven is the temporary dwelling place for God, angels and the spirits of the dead saints. The eternal home for all is the new Earth.
If you can think this through, WHICH earth did Jesus sacrifice His life for, even for the sake of the Father, of whom He had pity on because of His longsuffering over us.

Now, thanks be to God the Father and God the Son who came from Heaven and became the sacrificial Lamb of God for the sins of all people.
If you ARE born again by His Holy Spirit, then take a look in your mirror, and you will see the "Promised Land" for YOU...."whereIN dwelleth righteousness", being that of God's Righteousness.

I do believe, if you allow "the mind of Christ" within you, to digest this for you, "the wisdom of men" of your "natural mind", that we all have been made accustomed to, will wage war (enmity) immediately.
1 Cor. 2:5.

Heavenly Jerusalem is not about
literal buildings and structures, and the like, on a new or remodeled planet, but rather it
is about people IN the KoG, who is Jesus, being Himself His Father's House in which God the Father dwells. Didn't you know that YOU ARE a mansion??

To be IN Jesus, is to be IN the KoG.
 
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You're not saying anything new, anything I disagree with. What is it you think I am still not seeing? Our discussion was regarding Old Covenant faithful saints belonging to the spiritual Kingdom of God and how/when they ascended to heaven. The only reason I engaged with you is because you seem to believe they were not saved until after Pentecost. I believe the Spirit being WITH them, though not yet IN them, they were saved according to grace through faith that came from the Spirit when they heard of the Messiah who was to come to redeem them, and they believed
Saying it that way, I agree with you. I just wanted us to be clear that prior to Jesus' resurrection, being Himself the First resurrection, the Firstborn from the dead, there were no others that preceded Him into the kingdom heaven, such as many try to believe.
 

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Which Earth? lol None.
Lol...WRONG!
Right from the beginning God the Father's deepest desire has always been that He would live within man, which He created out of earth. This planet is not even an option, if He couldn't. The planet earth is nothing to Him without us.

If it weren't for Noah finding Grace in God's eyes, this planet earth and the earth we are created from, we and everything in it, would've been long gone.
Gen. 6
[5] And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.
[6] And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.
[7] And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

[8] But Noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD.
And still, here we are. But now, all of us, through faith in Jesus, are FINDING the opportunity for all, to freely receive Grace from God.

But one day, and probably soon now, through "the mark of the beast", man will STOP seeking His Grace, by no longer repenting towards Him. In that last day, He will send Jesus in all His Glory for ALL of His saints to be WHERE HE IS ALSO!
What?
Nope, definitely not another new planet, or a "make over" of this old one! We ARE the NEW earth,....wherein dwelleth righteousness.
 
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Nope, definitely not another new planet, or a "make over" of this old one! We ARE the NEW earth,....wherein dwelleth righteousness.


We are NOT the new Earth of Rev 21.
Jesus did NOT die on the cross for an Earth.
 

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Saying it that way, I agree with you. I just wanted us to be clear that prior to Jesus' resurrection, being Himself the First resurrection


Jesus is not the first resurrection mentioned in Rev 20. The FR is called "they", a group of people resurrected from the dead.

Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
 

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We are NOT the new Earth of Rev 21.
Jesus did NOT die on the cross for an Earth.
Jesus is not the first resurrection mentioned in Rev 20. The FR is called "they", a group of people resurrected from the dead.

Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
No!! Jesus IS THE FIRST resurrection absolutely, AND if you ARE "a partaker of the divine nature"**, then you ARE having PART in the First resurrection, who ONLY IS Jesus.

So, are you "risen with Christ"?
You really do know, but "church-ianity" has corrupted the truth, and is leading many astray into the Jewish fable of a fictitious future about another 1000 years, on a planet that God does not care about, and will destroy anyways. Surely, you must have heard it 100 times, but you don't believe it:
2 Peter 3
[10] But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
[11] Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
[12] Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
[13] Nevertheless we, according to "his promise", look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
So, what did you think? Peter had a "private interpretation", against the Jewish fable of an additional 1000 years, AFTER THE DAY of the Lord?? NO.

**Col. 2
[12] Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
**Col.3
[1] If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.

So where IS the Promise Land?
You actually DON'T KNOW!!
Here's a "clue":
In 2 Peter 3:13 "Where-in" does the Righteousness of God now dwell?

EDIT: For all 27 verses of Rev. 21, verses 1 and 2 is all that is said of anything about a New heaven and a New earth.
[1] And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
[2] And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
So then, just by those words alone, a HUGE assumption is being made by most of church-ianity. And that is:
the New heaven and the New earth, is going to be similar to the old.
By assumption, many believe that there will be a New planet, with New galaxies, suns, moons and stars.

However, we can "put the brakes on" for that, because we are also told in Rev. 21:
[22] And I saw no temple therein: for the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are the temple of it.
[23] And the city** had no need of the sun, neither of the moon, to shine in it:
for the glory of God did lighten it, and the Lamb is the light thereof.

Q1
. Where in any of the above, does one see a New heaven and a New earth, that will be anything similar to what now is??
Ans. Nothing
Q2. What in that chapter do we see for a description?
Ans. Nothing! It's not there.

**Note: a city of "mansions", aka people. John 14:2. The word "mansions" in the TR Greek uses the same word for "garnished" Mat. 12:43-45.
Q3. In Matthew, what was it that was "swept and garnished"? Since this is a parable, what would that be symbolic of?
Ans. A person (or people) coming to repentance, asking God to be forgiven of their sins, through the shed blood of Christ.

Q4. In that parable, WHY were the evil spirits able to gain re-entrance into the person?
Ans. The Gift of God's permanent indwelling of His Holy Spirit was NOT asked for! Luke 11:13, Rev. 3:20.
That is what I call "a half way home professing christian, who is
fallen short of being born again"
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They have received the forgiveness of sins, through faith in the shed blood of Christ, BUT they NEVER followed His leading, for them to receive the Gift of God's Holy Spirit. Luke 11:13, John 3:3-8, Rev. 3:20.

Therefore, until they do receive the Holy Spirit of God, they remain UNsealed unto the day of redemption, and in that Day of Christ's return, Rom. 8:9 WILL BE APPLIED to them.
 
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Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
YES!! I KNOW!!
I am one of those, who are "they".
Ever since Pentecost, each born again Christian, in THEIR lifetime, is and has been reigning WITH Christ, who is WITHIN them NOW. We each are His ambassadors, for the preaching and teaching of the Gospel of God, Who is Christ Himself.

What 1000 years? Why do you think it must be literal, when it is symbolic for this time of God's Grace, wherein He has set NO time limit of it's length, but rather measures it by the willingness of men to repent towards Him through faith in Jesus.
No more repentance? Then no more planet earth, literally!!
 
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Abraham's bosom is not scriptural.

However, the "book of Remembrance" to God is scriptural. Malachi 3:16.
All of such are seen in Rev. 6:9-11, receiving "the Promise" of the permanent indwelling of the Holy Spirit of God [on Pentecost], symbolized as a "white robe", being given to each who were under the altar, symbolizing those who were remembered by God, who died in faith under the OC.
Jesus did not get your post in time: Luke 16:22

"And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;"
 

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Ever since Pentecost, each born again Christian, in THEIR lifetime, is and has been reigning WITH Christ, who is WITHIN them


That isn't what Rev 20 is talking about. Saved Christians will physically die, then be physically resurrected and they will rule over the nations with Christ. No one is doing that yet because the resurrection is future not past or current.
 

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Jesus did not get your post in time: Luke 16:22

"And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried;"
No. The story about Abraham's bosom is not factual. It's a parable, based on a semi-fictitious story, in order to deliver a single truth.
What is the single truth that Jesus revealed in that parable?
 

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No. The story about Abraham's bosom is not factual. It's a parable, based on a semi-fictitious story, in order to deliver a single truth.
What is the single truth that Jesus revealed in that parable?
So Jesus was telling a joke? You have not explained that Jesus was wrong for using the words Abraham's bosom. Since this is not called a parable, I will keep pointing out that were Jesus' exact words.

Do you claim Jesus was just backing up some Jewish tradition? If, so you are claiming Jesus was in error for doing so. Otherwise you are going through a lot of trouble to deny the Word of God.

Since Jesus did not explain the account as it was not a parable, you can make up anything you want and call it a truth, but still going out of your way to deny the Word of God.
 

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That isn't what Rev 20 is talking about. Saved Christians will physically die, then be physically resurrected and they will rule over the nations with Christ. No one is doing that yet because the resurrection is future not past or current.
Rev. 20:1-15 According to the "Progressive Amillennial view", the understanding is
that "a thousand years" IS NOW, being symbolic of God's Grace through Christ, to ALL the world, ever since Pentecost.

20:1-3
A. "In chains of darkness"- Satan no longer has access to God's throne. He also no longer has the Light of God's truth.
B. Bottomless pit is this earth, the place of satan's grave and his endless death.

20:4.
The Three Stages of the Church, during God's present Age of Grace, through faith in Jesus.
All those who are martyred, are symbolized as being "beheaded", beginning with the martyrdom of John the Baptist and Stephen.
A. The Early church age: the12 disciples etc., being the witnesses of Christ's death and resurrection, suffered martyrdom. Also, let's not forget about those saints who were being thrown to the lions in Rome.

B. The Mid-church age: called the "Reformation age". Numerous "protestant saints", who protested against the RCC, suffered martyrdom. Martin Luther comes to mind, by whom today, we know of the Lutheren Church.
By 1611, Protestants were the first to publically "publish" the gospel (in 1611 the first printed bible) to all the world, preaching: "salvation by faith alone".
Edit: Mark 13
[10] And the gospel must first be published among all nations.

C. The End-time church age: those who refuse the "mark of the beast", "should be killed" (martyred).
One should read "Fox's Book of Martyrs". It's a history of all reported martyrs, since the "Early church age".

20:5
A. "The rest of the dead", are those who are in Christ, and died in Christ, being those who were not martyred, but were born again, and then lived out their physical lives having "the faith of Jesus".

20:6
A. All born again Christians are made to be "partakers [having part] of the divine nature", who is Christ, "the FIRSTborn from the dead", being Himself "the FIRST resurrection". If you and I are "partakers", then we ARE having part in Christ's resurrection, who at the moment, is the only FIRST resurrection.

20:7-8
A. "...Is AS a thousand years" is symbolic in meaning of God's Age of Grace, which is the "Promise" He made through the OT prophets, etc.
Psalm 90:4, 2 Peter 3:8.

Jesus Himself is that "Promise".
Since Pentecost, God's Grace HAS BEEN made available to all, through His Son. From His death and resurrection, to the Day of His Glorious return, is the period of God's Age of Grace.
His Grace ENDS when no more people come to Him in repentance, and for NO OTHER reason. In the day that He alone decides that His Grace shall STOP, He will send Jesus to redeem ALL His saints.
Mat. 24:14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.

B. Satan shall be released from the restraining influence that the gospel message has had on him, while it was being preached in all the world, and has hindered Satan immensely.
When one is honest with themselves, they can see that the gospel message is now waning in the world, and those that remain to be "the man of sin", "the natural man", are on the rise in every social platform and structure that there is, working at being openly "lawless", which is "that spirit of antichrist".

C. Satan is now deceiving and driving ALL the nations (Gog and Magog) into lawlessness, gathering them together to the battle of Armageddon. (Gog and Magog, and Armageddon are the SAME event of "flaming fire" coming down from Heaven, who is Jesus- 2 Thes. 1:8).
However, in the midst of that prophecy, there shall come the time of when "the mark of the beast" will be issued, under a new economic paradigm of "Digitized money".

The "beast" will have evolved (now visibly in process) into it's FINAL form, of a tyrannical "Economic Master" over the world, with the UN as it's image, of which shall CAUSE ALL to take "the mark", in the form of a "Digital ID".

20:9
A. [9] And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about [individually]**, and the beloved city [collectively]** and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them., who is Jesus, returning from heaven "in flaming fire".
(In the TR Greek, Rev. 20:9 reads:
(Edit 1) "and they went up to the breadth of the earth and surrounded the intercession (correction "interference") of the saints and the beloved city, and fire came down from God out of heaven and consumed them").

See also 2 Thes. 1:8 about the fire that consumes them.
I urge you to examine the word
(Edit 2) "intercession" (correction: "interference"- in the TR Greek: παρεμβολὴν) of Rev. 20:9 (KJV).
(Edit 3): Rom. 8:26, Heb. 7:25. It will be that "they" of the world shall attempt to cut off God's provisions of their basic needs of/for the "camp of the saints"(KJV). That attempt, will be the "mark of the beast".

We, who are born again are each a "CAMP" unto the Lord. A "camp" of any sort, is a temporary dwelling place.
It is He who is dwelling within our temporary mortal flesh.

"The Feast of Tabernacles"/temporary shelters-booths", is about God dwelling within our mortal flesh, and NOT about the Jews and their vain religious observance.
2 Cor. 4:7 But we have this treasure in earthen vessels, that the excellency of the power may be of God, and not of us.

** Note: We ourselves, individually and collectively, ARE that holy city.

20:10
A. For all the details, see 2 Thes. 1:7-10.
In the KJV, for the above verses, please notice the word "when". It is written two times.
It WILL BE a simultaneous event. Redemption for the saved and destruction for the unsaved!!
 
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So Jesus was telling a joke? You have not explained that Jesus was wrong for using the words Abraham's bosom. Since this is not called a parable, I will keep pointing out that were Jesus' exact words.

Do you claim Jesus was just backing up some Jewish tradition? If, so you are claiming Jesus was in error for doing so. Otherwise you are going through a lot of trouble to deny the Word of God.

Since Jesus did not explain the account as it was not a parable, you can make up anything you want and call it a truth, but still going out of your way to deny the Word of God.
You are lacking some scriptural insight:
Mat. 13:34-35
34. All these things spake Jesus unto the multitude in parables; and without a parable spake he not unto them:
35. That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by the prophet, saying, I will open my mouth in parables; I will utter things which have been kept secret from the foundation of the world.

What is the single truth, that is to be learned in that parable of the Rich man and Lazarus?
 
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