No Pre-Trib Rapture, The Church Will Be Present On Earth To See The Tribulation And Second Coming

[David H.]

There are (Two) resurrections on this (Last Day) the righteous are blessed to be in the (First Resurrection) to eternal life, on such the (Second) death resurrection has no power.

1.) (First) Resurrection To Life
2.) (Second) Resurrection To Damnation, The Second Death

And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. Revelation 20:4

Are you the one taking away words from the prophecy of this book? It is obvious this comes after the mark of the beast, because these people did not worship the beast, and the beast rules for 42 mionths which has not happened yet, so therefore, You are simply WRONG.

If we are truly living in the millennium as you surmise, you must prove that the beast already ruled for 42 months and mandated his mark for all the world to receive Both rich and poor, and that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark and this mark was reinforced by the false prophet who sent fire down from heaven to validate this mark and make the image of the beast come to life, and this ain't NERO as his power was never worldwide, nor did he have a false prophet sending fire down from Heaven etc, etc.

 

[michaelvpardo]

I believe all 3 items mentioned below were historically "Literal", cant judge a book before you open its cover

What do your believe?

1.) Do you believe the plagues of Egypt under Moses/Aaron were "literally" brought upon Pharaoh and Egypt as written?

2.) Sodom and Gomorrah "literally" destroyed by fire from heaven?

3.) Elisha and "literal" fire from heaven?

Thanks, Jesus Is The Lord

By the way, I dont know if the Hebrew has a word for lightning. Lightning, very high current electrical discharge, frequently produces fire. I've seen electricians that were badly burnt while working on high power sources through "arc flashes." There's a verse in scripture somewhere about handling the wicked with iron weapons and chains. I dont think its coincidental that iron is one of the best conductors among all metals.

 

[Truth7t7]

If we are truly living in the millennium as you surmise, you must prove that the beast already ruled for 42 months and mandated his mark for all the world to receive Both rich and poor, and that they could not buy or sell unless they had the mark and this mark was reinforced by the false prophet who sent fire down from heaven to validate this mark and make the image of the beast come to life, and this ain't NERO as his power was never worldwide, nor did he have a false prophet sending fire down from Heaven etc, etc.

As In (Item #1) "Bold Red" Below, The Non-Literal 1,000 Years Ends At The Second Coming "Future", That Is "Clearly" Explained Below

Satan is "Currently" bound from "One Specific Purpose", And One Only?

"Deceive The Nations" To Battle

The Non-Literal 1,000 Years (Revelation) 20:1-6 Are Taking Place Now In The Lords Spiritual, And Will Cease At The Future Second Coming

(Item #1) If A Tribulation Saint Were To Die One Day Before The Second Coming, He Enters Into The Non-Literal 1,000 Year Reign

Many That Promote Millennialism Falsely Teach, Satan Cant Be Presently Bound Because Evil Exist In The World?

Satan Is Presently Bound As Is Clearly Seen In (Revelation) 20:7-8 Below That Interprets (Deceive The Nations) Is To Battle, Not General Evil In The World Presently.

Satan Is Loosed At The End Of The Tribulation When The 6th Vial Is Poured Out As Seen In (Revelation) 16:12, The Deception Is Devils In False Miracles Going Forth To The Kings Of The Earth, To Gather Them To The Final Battle

(Revelation) 20:1-9KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

(Revelation) 16:12-14 & (Revelation) 20:7-8 Same Deception In Gathering The Nations To The Very Same Final Battle In "Parallel" Teachings Of The Same Event

(Revelation) 16:12-17KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

 

[David H.]

Okidoki, but I don't know that there's really a distinction between a watchman and a prophet. I've heard this before, but haven't actually seen it in scripture. Was Jonah a watchman or a prophet? I only ask because he preached " yet 40 days and Ninevah will be destroyed ". It happened eventually, but a long time after those 40 days were long past. The prophets were always those sent to national authorities to warn them of their sin and error, and to call them to repentance. Its assumed that the church is the prophet to the world now in that we have His Spirit within us, but in the church the purpose of prophesy is to reveal hidden sin. When the pastor preaches something that brings conviction, isn't that the Spirit of prophesy speaking through thIn Fact the worde pastor and working on the heart of those convicted? And if the pastor is in error and living sinfully, you would hope that the church elders would confront him (or her), but not all churches have spiritual elders. Some have no elders at all. Who then, confronts a pastor who has "gone off the reservation " and causing the congregation to sin through imitation? The body of Christ cannot function properly with missing parts.

Samuel was a seer before he was a prophet, David had Seers in his presence and prophets also. A Prophet has the gift of Prophecy a seer has the gift of discerning of spirits. in fact the Hebrew word for seer and and discernment are the same word. Every believer can receive a word of Prophecy, but not all are prophets, a prophet is never wrong, Even Jonah was right eventually although his warning was heeded it only delayed the inevitable. A watchmen sees an impending judgment and warns of it That Judgment may come to pass or it may be averted, or the watchmen may be crying wolf when there is none, they do so because of the burden of a watchmen (read Ezekiel 33) A watchmen precedes a prophet, and if heard can avert judgment as they are like God's last stab at showing mercy.

Before the end comes, you will see many watchmen come and many will be rejected and mocked for doing so. Some will be heard, and then the judgment on them averted, Most will react like Balaam did and beat his donkey. We who are called to be watchmen know this and expect this and are prepared for this.

Pray about this, and ask the Spirit to guide your studies of this if you feel inclined.

 

[Truth7t7]

By the way, I dont know if the Hebrew has a word for lightning. Lightning, very high current electrical discharge, frequently produces fire. I've seen electricians that were badly burnt while working on high power sources through "arc flashes." There's a verse in scripture somewhere about handling the wicked with iron weapons and chains. I dont think its coincidental that iron is one of the best conductors among all metals.

Your response has nothing to do with the questions below

What do your believe?

1.) Do you believe the plagues of Egypt under Moses/Aaron were "literally" brought upon Pharaoh and Egypt as written?

2.) Sodom and Gomorrah "literally" destroyed by fire from heaven?

3.) Elisha and "literal" fire from heaven?

Thanks, Jesus Is The Lord

 

[David H.]

As In (Item #1) "Bold Red" Below, The Non-Literal 1,000 Years Ends At The Second Coming "Future", That Is "Clearly" Explained Below

Satan is "Currently" bound from "One Specific Purpose", And One Only?

"Deceive The Nations" To Battle

The Non-Literal 1,000 Years (Revelation) 20:1-6 Are Taking Place Now In The Lords Spiritual, And Will Cease At The Future Second Coming

(Item #1) If A Tribulation Saint Were To Die One Day Before The Second Coming, He Enters Into The Non-Literal 1,000 Year Reign

Many That Promote Millennialism Falsely Teach, Satan Cant Be Presently Bound Because Evil Exist In The World?

Satan Is Presently Bound As Is Clearly Seen In (Revelation) 20:7-8 Below That Interprets (Deceive The Nations) Is To Battle, Not General Evil In The World Presently.

Satan Is Loosed At The End Of The Tribulation When The 6th Vial Is Poured Out As Seen In (Revelation) 16:12, The Deception Is Devils In False Miracles Going Forth To The Kings Of The Earth, To Gather Them To The Final Battle

(Revelation) 20:1-9KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog, and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

(Revelation) 16:12-14 & (Revelation) 20:7-8 Same Deception In Gathering The Nations To The Very Same Final Battle In "Parallel" Teachings Of The Same Event

(Revelation) 16:12-17KJV
12 And the sixth angel poured out his vial upon the great river Euphrates; and the water thereof was dried up, that the way of the kings of the east might be prepared.
13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs come out of the mouth of the dragon, and out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet.
14 For they are the spirits of devils, working miracles, which go forth unto the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 Behold, I come as a thief. Blessed is he that watcheth, and keepeth his garments, lest he walk naked, and they see his shame.
16 And he gathered them together into a place called in the Hebrew tongue Armageddon.
17 And the seventh angel poured out his vial into the air; and there came a great voice out of the temple of heaven, from the throne, saying, It is done.

Again, you fail the test. Simple logic is not working here. The mark of the beast had to occur more than a thousand years ago according to your logic, for the saints must rule and reign with Christ a thousand years, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING CURRENT BUT SOMETHING HISTORICAL THE ONUS OF WHICH IS ON YOU TO PROVE. It had to happen at least a thousand years ago, a worldwide mark, a false prophet sending firedown from Heaven etc.

If you cannot see this error in your logic, then you are simply deceiving yourself.

 

[michaelvpardo]

Follow the order.
The Saved and Born Again ARE the Converted.
The Converted ARE the members of Christ's Church.
Correct, Christ's Church, the Saved, the Converted ARE NOT appointed to WRATH.

Wrath is a consequence for Rejecting the Lord God....really? You are confused God should be angry and pour out wrath on those who believe in the Lord God?



Tribulation IS ALL ABOUT WRATH and Destruction....ofcourse the catching up those not appointed to wrath is significant to conversation and your accusations.

No, tribulation is all about the judgment of all flesh as was the flood (and about salvation). The book of the Revelation talks about a whole lot of saints that come out of the tribulation, not just 144 thousand.
13Then one of the elders asked me, “These in white robes—who are they, and where did they come from?”
14 I answered, “Sir, you know.”
And he said, “These are they who have come out of the great tribulation; they have washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Revelation 7:13-14
If you read the entire chapter you'll see that this verse applies to the 144 thousand from the twelve tribes and a great multitude beyond counting from every nation on Earth.
Is God pouring out His wrath upon people that He's saving through the gospel? Do you see the illogic in that?

 

[michaelvpardo]

Your response has nothing to do with the questions below

What do your believe?

1.) Do you believe the plagues of Egypt under Moses/Aaron were "literally" brought upon Pharaoh and Egypt as written?

2.) Sodom and Gomorrah "literally" destroyed by fire from heaven?

3.) Elisha and "literal" fire from heaven?

Thanks, Jesus Is The Lord

What is it about "absolutely " that you don't understand ?

 

[michaelvpardo]

Samuel was a seer before he was a prophet, David had Seers in his presence and prophets also. A Prophet has the gift of Prophecy a seer has the gift of discerning of spirits. in fact the Hebrew word for seer and and discernment are the same word. Every believer can receive a word of Prophecy, but not all are prophets, a prophet is never wrong, Even Jonah was right eventually although his warning was heeded it only delayed the inevitable. A watchmen sees an impending judgment and warns of it That Judgment may come to pass or it may be averted, or the watchmen may be crying wolf when there is none, they do so because of the burden of a watchmen (read Ezekiel 33) A watchmen precedes a prophet, and if heard can avert judgment as they are like God's last stab at showing mercy.

Before the end comes, you will see many watchmen come and many will be rejected and mocked for doing so. Some will be heard, and then the judgment on them averted, Most will react like Balaam did and beat his donkey. We who are called to be watchmen know this and expect this and are prepared for this.

Pray about this, and ask the Spirit to guide your studies of this if you feel inclined.

And the last 2 witnesses?

 

[michaelvpardo]

Samuel was a seer before he was a prophet, David had Seers in his presence and prophets also. A Prophet has the gift of Prophecy a seer has the gift of discerning of spirits. in fact the Hebrew word for seer and and discernment are the same word. Every believer can receive a word of Prophecy, but not all are prophets, a prophet is never wrong, Even Jonah was right eventually although his warning was heeded it only delayed the inevitable. A watchmen sees an impending judgment and warns of it That Judgment may come to pass or it may be averted, or the watchmen may be crying wolf when there is none, they do so because of the burden of a watchmen (read Ezekiel 33) A watchmen precedes a prophet, and if heard can avert judgment as they are like God's last stab at showing mercy.

Before the end comes, you will see many watchmen come and many will be rejected and mocked for doing so. Some will be heard, and then the judgment on them averted, Most will react like Balaam did and beat his donkey. We who are called to be watchmen know this and expect this and are prepared for this.

Pray about this, and ask the Spirit to guide your studies of this if you feel inclined.

I'm not trying to be obstinate about this, but what I meant is that while you see watchman used in regard to a prophet (Ezekiel) you don't find the term used in the "offices" of the church, because prophesy is a gift of the Spirit not limited to an "office" and the gifts weren't distributed evenly, some people having multiple gifts.
4 There are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 There are differences of ministries, but the same Lord. 6 And there are diversities of activities, but it is the same God who works all in all. 7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to each one for the profit of all: 8 for to one is given the word of wisdom through the Spirit, to another the word of knowledge through the same Spirit, 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healings by the same Spirit, 10 to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another discerning of spirits, to another different kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. 11 But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually as He wills. 1 Corinthians 12:4-11
When Paul mentions the order of service of the church he doesn't mention watchmen.
27 Now you are the body of Christ, and members individually. 28 And God has appointed these in the church: first apostles, second prophets, third teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings, helps, administrations, varieties of tongues. 29 Are all apostles? Are all prophets? Are all teachers? Are all workers of miracles? 1 Corinthians 12:27-29
Please don't misunderstand me brother, I'm not saying that you're wrong or incorrect. I'm just saying that I don't see it. If anything I would consider evangelists "watchmen " as they preach the gospel to a world under condemnation in order to turn them from judgment. I'm not getting the distinction.
No worries though. In my life I've written to presidents, ministry leaders from radio and TV, a pope, and even spiritists and psychics, as well as to individuals on these boards, always with the same purpose, but with scriptural arguments after being born again. There was no power in my early ministry at all, but the word, given life by His Spirit is power.

 

[David H.]

And the last 2 witnesses?

Look at the word witnesses in the greek, these are the last two, and they fulfill the number mentioned in the fifth seal. (Revelation 6:11)
G3144 - martys - Strong's Greek Lexicon (kjv) (blueletterbible.org)

They are Prophets with the Gift of Prophecy, the last two saints.

 

[David H.]

Please don't misunderstand me brother, I'm not saying that you're wrong or incorrect. I'm just saying that I don't see it. If anything I would consider evangelists "watchmen " as they preach the gospel to a world under condemnation in order to turn them from judgment. I'm not getting the distinction.

Now the acts of David the king, first and last, behold, they are written in the book of Samuel the seer, and in the book of Nathan the prophet, and in the book of Gad the seer, (1 Chronicles 29:29)

why were both words seer and prophet used in the same verse? Is there a difference? Is there a New testament precedent for this concept?

Here is what I know: And I beheld, and, lo, in the midst of the throne and of the four beasts, and in the midst of the elders, stood a Lamb as it had been slain, having seven horns and seven eyes, which are the seven Spirits of God sent forth into all the earth. (Revelation 5:6)

I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear; and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. (Revelation 3:18)

What The LORD has shown me is that we are living in the final church age, the age of Laodicea. As such, this generation has been blinded By the lack of vision, and this is evident in the utter lack of Discernment that is seen in the church Today. But by the same token, this is the church that is promised vision should they heed the warnings found in that letter. It is this church, the overcomers who overcome as Christ overcame That have the eyes to Judge the spirits, the world, and the angels. The Problem is no one likes to be called a Laodicean, and rightfully so as this is the most scolded of the seven churches, But the most vital to the end times.

I Do not know how many forums I have been on when I start saying these things and the naysayers come out in droves, the "would be Philadelphians" being the hardest to reach, Much of it is pretrib dogma they have been taught, and their own escapist mentality. Some of it is their pride, and inability admit they are the least of the churches, and instead assume they are "good with God" AKA the cult of textualism saying they are in need of nothing, In others it is outright self deception and denial of a problem. the point being they are in a state of complacency and are not growing Spiritually. Much of what they preach is doctrinally sound, but Spiritually dead, there is no Revelation, no vibrancy, no life and as I said before they hold this up as the standard for the Christian faith when it is far from it.

A seer sees and perceives these things, and has the ability warn of them, So You mentioned Joel Richardson (i think it was you?) he is one who I would call a seer, and not a Prophet. Many of your so called Youtube prophets (I am not talking of the false ones who are doing so for gain and fame) But the ones who have a heart for truth are seers and not prophets. There is a Big danger when one first receives this vision which is to use it for gain (Balaam's error), and the temptation to make yourself out to be something special in God's plan (the Elijah complex) And God will not open the eyes of those who are not ready to see for these reasons. Thus this final outpouring of this gift of the Spirit which has largely been withheld from the Laodicean age will come upon them as the latter rain, when their heart is in the right place corporately and they all begin to embrace their Laodicean Identity. This is the "Amen" Generation, the culmination of the church age, and it is the Blood of the lamb and the word of our testimony that overcomes, we are all His witnesses (Martys) Of all of us there will be two left in the very end and then Judgment.

Whether you see this or not depends on if you are ready to see this. It is not something I or any scholar can completely reason But is taught by the Holy Ghost. You cannot be taught if you have the mindset that you know it all already, Hence my catch phrase "can the teacher be taught". So Many in the church are in a state of satisfaction of what they know, But "my people are destroyed for the lack of Knowledge..." (Hosea 4:6) I Do not see this in you per/se as you have been more than receptive to what I am saying But I cannot open your eyes for you, that you must choose to do yourself.

God Bless.

 

[Truth7t7]

Again, you fail the test. Simple logic is not working here. The mark of the beast had to occur more than a thousand years ago according to your logic, for the saints must rule and reign with Christ a thousand years, THIS IS NOT SOMETHING CURRENT BUT SOMETHING HISTORICAL THE ONUS OF WHICH IS ON YOU TO PROVE. It had to happen at least a thousand years ago, a worldwide mark, a false prophet sending firedown from Heaven etc.

If you cannot see this error in your logic, then you are simply deceiving yourself.

No failure whatsoever, the Antichrist, 3.5 year tribulation, and mark of (The Beast) are "future" and the thousand years ends at the second coming of Jesus Christ

 

[Truth7t7]

I Do not see this in you per/se as you have been more than receptive to what I am saying But I cannot open your eyes for you, that you must choose to do yourself.

God Bless.

You acts as if you maintain the truth, you deny (Then Cometh The End) In 1 Corinthians 15:23-24, you believe and teach a future Millennium Kingdom on this earth after the second coming, something not found in the scripture.

And you suggest the opening of eyes?

"Big Smiles"!

 

[David H.]

No failure whatsoever, the Antichrist, 3.5 year tribulation, and mark of (The Beast) are "future" and the thousand years ends at the second coming of Jesus Christ

So they are both yet to come, which makes you a pre-millennialist, a different sort of one one but a premillennialist nonetheless, as they are yet future events. The Mark of the beast MUST precede the Millennium according to Revelation 20:6 otherwise the saints will not be ruling and reigning for a thousand years with Christ. SEE how simple logic works. It is a chicken and egg thing, the thousand years is intricately tied to the mark of the beast which must precede the thousand years and there is no way around it without creating a contradiction in the Word of God. I trust the Word of God is True and if my view causes a contradiction it is my view that is wrong, and not the Word of God.

 

[Truth7t7]

nonetheless, as they are yet future events. The Mark of the beast MUST precede the Millennium according to Revelation 20:6 otherwise the saints will not be ruling and reigning for a thousand years with Christ. SEE how simple logic works. It is a chicken and egg thing, the thousand years is intricately tied to the mark of the beast which must precede the thousand years and there is no way around it without creating a contradiction in the Word of God. I trust the Word of God is True and if my view causes a contradiction it is my view that is wrong, and not the Word of God.

You continue to "Shout Millennium"?

Jesus Christ Dissolves this earth by fire, there'll be Millennium On This Earth, You "Willfully" Dent The Scripture Below, To Maintain The False Teaching

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation?

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ?

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

[Truth7t7]

nonetheless, as they are yet future events. The Mark of the beast MUST precede the Millennium according to Revelation 20:6 otherwise the saints will not be ruling and reigning for a thousand years with Christ. SEE how simple logic works. It is a chicken and egg thing, the thousand years is intricately tied to the mark of the beast which must precede the thousand years and there is no way around it without creating a contradiction in the Word of God. I trust the Word of God is True and if my view causes a contradiction it is my view that is wrong, and not the Word of God.

Can you find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

1.) Physical Earthly Kingdom?
2.) Physical Earthly Throne?
3.) Physical Mortal Humans?

The Above Claims (Don't Exist)?

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ?

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time?

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

 

[Truth7t7]

So they are both yet to come, which makes you a pre-millennialist, a different sort of one one but a premillennialist nonetheless, as they are yet future events. The Mark of the beast MUST precede the Millennium according to Revelation 20:6 otherwise the saints will not be ruling and reigning for a thousand years with Christ. SEE how simple logic works. It is a chicken and egg thing, the thousand years is intricately tied to the mark of the beast which must precede the thousand years and there is no way around it without creating a contradiction in the Word of God. I trust the Word of God is True and if my view causes a contradiction it is my view that is wrong, and not the Word of God.

When Jesus Christ Returns It Will Be (The End) Not The Start Of A Millennial Kingdom On Earth

As scripture clearly teaches below in 1 Corinthinas 15:23-24 , when Jesus Christ returns then comes (The End)

Many disregard (Then Cometh The End) as they desire to see a mortal Millennial Kingdom on earth, after the coming of Jesus Christ

afterward they that are Christ's at his coming. Then cometh the end, not a Millennial Kingdom on this earth as many falsely claim

(Then Cometh The End)

(Death Is Swallowed Up In Victory)

1 Corinthians 15:21-26 & 51-54KJV
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,
52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.
53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
54 So when this corruptible shall have put on incorruption, and this mortal shall have put on immortality, then shall be brought to pass the saying that is written, Death is swallowed up in victory.

 

[David H.]

Can you find the things claimed by those teaching a Literal 1,000 year Millennial Kingdom On This Earth in Revelation 20:1-6 below?

1.) Physical Earthly Kingdom?
2.) Physical Earthly Throne?
3.) Physical Mortal Humans?

The Above Claims (Don't Exist)?

Revelation 20:1-6 Is 100% In The Lords (Spiritual) Angel, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ?

100% Spiritual Realm, No "Literal" Time?

2 Peter 3:8KJV
8 But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

Revelation 20:1-6KJV
1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

 

[Truth7t7]

Triple Face Palm For Your Denial Of Gods Clear Words Presented, There Will Be No Millennial Kingdom On This Earth

Many claim Jesus will literally return and rule "On This Earth" In A Millennium this being false in deception

Jesus warned his followers against this teaching, Jesus wont be found anywhere upon this earth as many claim

The Antichrist will be in Jerusalem, claiming to be Messiah Returned, "Beware"!

"Believe It Not" "Go Not Forth"

Matthew 24:23-27KJV
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.

Revelation 13:13-14KJV
13 And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live.

Revelation 19:20KJV
20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.