On How to be saved

[Dave L]

Acts of the Apostles 2:38-39 is a conditional promise. The Holy Ghost is promised to those who fulfill the condition.

We receive the Holy Spirit along with the New Birth when we hear the word and believe. Baptism and repentance follows.

 

[justbyfaith]

It is, but it is a gift of grace, not works as you make it out to be.

Surrendering to being baptized in Jesus' name is not a work. Is it a work to confess Jesus before men? (see Matthew 10:32, Luke 12:8). Yet doing this proves to be salvational for those who do it!

 

[Dave L]

Surrendering to being baptized in Jesus' name is not a work. Is it a work to confess Jesus before men? (see Matthew 10:32, Luke 12:8). Yet doing this proves to be salvational for those who do it!

It follows believing.

 

[justbyfaith]

We receive the Holy Spirit along with the New Birth when we hear the word and believe. Baptism and repentance follows.

Not according to Acts of the Apostles 2:38-39.

 

[justbyfaith]

It follows believing.

And if it doesn't follow?

 

[Dave L]

Not according to Acts of the Apostles 2:38-39.

“He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.” (Mark 16:16) (KJV 1900)

 

[Dave L]

And if it doesn't follow?

Why would it not follow if a person believes?

 

[justbyfaith]

Faith without works is dead. Believing without confessing Jesus before men, the result: He will not confess you before the Father and the angels of God. To not confess Him is to deny Him, as Greg Laurie used to preach.

Because there are two types of believing: mental assent (dead faith, so to speak) and a heart faith, which is unto righteousness (Romans 10:10), which is a living faith. See also Matthew 3:15.

 

[justbyfaith]

Why would it not follow if a person believes?

Because they are told, "it ain't necessary."

 

[Dave L]

Faith without works is dead. Believing without confessing Jesus before men, the result: He will not confess you before the Father and the angels of God. To not confess Him is to deny Him, as Greg Laurie used to preach.

Are you saved because you do good works? Or do you do good works because you are saved?

 

[Dave L]

Because they are told, "it ain't necessary."

Who tells people that?

 

[justbyfaith]

edited #328.

 

[Dave L]

Faith without works is dead. Believing without confessing Jesus before men, the result: He will not confess you before the Father and the angels of God. To not confess Him is to deny Him, as Greg Laurie used to preach.

Because there are two types of believing: mental assent (dead faith, so to speak) and a heart faith, which is unto righteousness (Romans 10:10), which is a living faith. See also Matthew 3:15.

If you believe, you will do all these things from a loving heart.

 

[justbyfaith]

Are you saved because you do good works? Or do you do good works because you are saved?

The point being, that if there aren't works, the faith is dead; and will not avail to save you. Now of course I believe that a man is saved through faith in Jesus Christ alone: specific works must follow to prove that the faith was genuine.

Who tells people that?

You, by your doctrine.

 

[Dave L]

The point being, that if there aren't works, the faith is dead; and will not avail to save you. Now of course I believe that a man is saved through faith in Jesus Christ alone: specific works must follow to prove that the faith was genuine.



You, by your doctrine.

What doctrine says this?

 

[justbyfaith]

If you believe, you will do all these things from a loving heart.

In the Acts passage, the people did not get baptized out of a loving heart. They did so because they were pricked to the heart.

 

[Dave L]

In the Acts passage, the people did not get baptized out of a loving heart. They did so because they were pricked to the heart.

= love and remorse for their national sins of crucifying Christ.

 

[justbyfaith]

What doctrine says this?

The doctrine that you are preaching. You don't know your own doctrine?

 

[Dave L]

The doctrine that you are preaching. You don't know your own doctrine?

You are accusing me of something I never said.

 

[justbyfaith]

= love and remorse for their national sins of crucifying Christ.

I don't see that love was involved in their repentance. The love of God is shed abroad in the heart by the Holy Ghost, whom they received as the result of being baptized.