On How to be saved

[justbyfaith]

Again, the way I see it, baptism in water in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth is for the remission of sins; and it is a conditional promise of the Holy Ghost in Acts of the Apostles 2:38-39.

 

[justbyfaith]

Get this one done.

 

[Dave L]

Again, the way I see it, baptism in water in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth is for the remission of sins; and it is a conditional promise of the Holy Ghost in Acts of the Apostles 2:38-39.

Acts 2:38 is not about salvation. Jesus says whoever believes has eternal life. You must believe (have eternal life) before you would ever repent. Acts 2:38 is about saved (believing) Jews entering the New Covenant and receiving the Holy Spirit, unique to the New Covenant.

 

[justbyfaith]

Baptism in Jesus' name is for the remission of sins; and the Holy Ghost is absolutely promised to those who fulfill the condition of the promise!

 

[Dave L]

Baptism in Jesus' name is for the remission of sins; and the Holy Ghost is absolutely promised to those who fulfill the condition of the promise!

Cornelius received the Holy Spirit before being baptized.

 

[justbyfaith]

We have already talked about this in this very thread...Cornelius and friends was a special circumstance because God was working to include the Gentiles in the church against the will of those in the circumcision group.

Notice that in Acts 10, Peter said, "Can anyone forbid water, that these should not be baptized, even as we?" Then he baptized them all in the name of the Lord.

So the point is, Peter did not exclude baptism for them as a means of completing their salvation (see Mark 16:16; 1 Peter 3:20-21; Romans 6:1-6; Colossians 2:11-15, esp. v.12, & Romans 4:11; Galatians 3:27; Ezekiel 36:25-27; Acts of the Apostles 22:16, etc.).

 

[Dave L]

We have already talked about this in this very thread...Cornelius and friends was a special circumstance because God was working to include the Gentiles in the church against the will of those in the circumcision group.

Notice that in Acts 10, Peter said, "Can anyone forbid water, that these should not be baptized, even as we?" Then he baptized them all in the name of the Lord.

So the point is, Peter did not exclude baptism for them as a means of completing their salvation (see Mark 16:16; 1 Peter 3:20-21; Romans 6:1-6; Colossians 2:11-15, esp. v.12, & Romans 4:11; Galatians 3:27; Ezekiel 36:25-27; Acts of the Apostles 22:16, etc.).

Jesus says whoever believes has eternal life. You must believe (have eternal life) before you would desire repentance and baptism. Acts 2:38 is not about salvation. It is about saved believing Jews entering the New Covenant.

 

[justbyfaith]

Also, concerning 1 Corinthians 1:17; compare 1 Corinthians 1:16 to Acts of the Apostles 18:8; with John 4:2 for reconciliation of the apparent contradiction.

 

[justbyfaith]

Jesus says whoever believes has eternal life. You must believe (have eternal life) before you would desire repentance and baptism. Acts 2:38 is not about salvation. It is about saved believing Jews entering the New Covenant.

You would be separating remission of sins and receiving the Holy Ghost from salvation, then.

 

[Dave L]

Also, concerning 1 Corinthians 1:17; compare 1 Corinthians 1:16 to Acts of the Apostles 18:8; with John 4:2 for reconciliation of the apparent contradiction.

But nobody would get baptized if they didn't already believe (have salvation).

 

[justbyfaith]

Of course, my pov is that baptism in Jesus' name serves as a point of contact for our faith; and that it has saving power: not necessarily that one cannot be saved without it.

 

[Dave L]

You would be separating remission of sins and receiving the Holy Ghost from salvation, then.

Remission of sins happens for all who believe. People receive the Holy Spirit along with the New Birth in the New Covenant. Repentance and baptism follows because they believe, obviously.

 

[justbyfaith]

But nobody would get baptized if they didn't already believe (have salvation).

Actually, when a person is convicted of sin, that is the moment when they are called upon to be baptized if the minister is ministering properly. It seals the deal of repentance in that person's life.

 

[Dave L]

Of course, my pov is that baptism in Jesus' name serves as a point of contact for our faith; and that it has saving power: not necessarily that one cannot be saved without it.

I received baptism in Jesus' name (as a trinitarian) because I believe and have the Holy Spirit. Who would do this if they didn't believe (have salvation according to Jesus)?

 

[Dave L]

Actually, when a person is convicted of sin, that is the moment when they are called upon to be baptized if the minister is ministering properly. It seals the deal of repentance in that person's life.

Believing = salvation. The rest follows.

 

[justbyfaith]

Remission of sins happens for all who believe. People receive the Holy Spirit along with the New Birth in the New Covenant. Repentance and baptism follows because they believe, obviously.

I preach baptism in Jesus' name as the cure of all assurance issues. Acts of the Apostles 2:38-39 is an absolute promise for all those who fulfill the condition of the promise.

 

[justbyfaith]

salvation...repentance...baptism...remission of sins...receiving the Holy Ghost?

Isn't receiving the Holy Ghost a major part of salvation?

 

[Dave L]

I preach baptism in Jesus' name as the cure of all assurance issues. Acts 2:38-39 is an absolute promise for all those who fulfill the condition of the promise.

Acts 2;38 is not about salvation. The believing Jews (already saved) got baptized and received the Holy Spirit through the words Peter spoke.

 

[Dave L]

salvation...repentance...baptism...remission of sins...receiving the Holy Ghost?

Isn't receiving the Holy Ghost a major part of salvation?

It is, but it is a gift of grace, not works as you make it out to be.

 

[justbyfaith]

Acts 2;38 is not about salvation. The believing Jews (already saved) got baptized and received the Holy Spirit through the words Peter spoke.

Acts of the Apostles 2:38-39 is a conditional promise. The Holy Ghost is promised to those who fulfill the condition.