On What day did YOUR Messiah Die?

[tim_from_pa]

I'm not replying to anyone specifically, but after a goings around with Goinheix earlier, I'm sorry it all had to come to that.

For the umpteenth time, this is why it's important to understand God's calendar and what the dates on that calendar signified.
And to reiterate, the dates "written in stone" so-to-speak are Nisan 10, 14, 15 and the "morrow after the Sabbath". Then there's Pentecost 7 weeks later on the 50th day, which makes that also "the morrow after the Sabbath". Then there's Tishri 1, 10, 15 and 22 (the last 8th day). They all have to do with the work of Christ taking place on those dates and for the redemption of mankind.

Since the Jews rejected Christ, there has been such a Gentilian attitude for want of a better word that anything Jewish no longer mattered, when indeed they had the OT scripture that foreshadowed Christ. In other words, the Jews did not recognize the symbolism in the OT (i.e. "Moses wrote of me") but since they follow the Law yet the Gentile Christians threw out the baby with the bathwater, including the calendar and replaced it by a solar calendar of Baal. The Hebrew calendar was lunar, and the Jews kept not only the Law, but the feast days to this very day and thus preserved it all until the time of Christ Coming again.

Of course when we create a calendar from Babylon or our own imagination, then this mix-up takes place which is taking place here in this thread before our very eyes. I'm not claiming special knowledge, but I just simply take the dates mentioned in the bible and apply them without some song and dance interpretation the way I like them to be. I don't start with a preconceived notion and make the bible dates "fit" which whether the likes of Goinheix wants to admit or not, was exactly what he was doing.

Again, He died late on the 14th to fulfill Passover. Interred for Unleavened Bread (sundown) as the 15th began. He was in the grave 3 days and 3 nights i.e. 15+3=18 so he arose the 18th (Saturday sundown by our reckoning as the 18th began). We know that Sunday was Firstfruits, so the 18th was on a Sunday. Now make a simple calendar and project back to the day of the week that the 14th fell on. It's all math, and there's only one way it works out. Simple as that. I just can't fathom how people come up with all other types of (mathematically unsound) solutions and think it sounds reasonable. Incredible.

 

[Eccl.12:13]

the gospels plainly stipulate that he was crucified on the day before the sabboth and rose before dawn on the day after the sabboth. back then the sabboth day was saturday.

the question is;;; was he in the ground 3 days and 3 nights as he predicted? i get 2 nights and 1 day

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How could Jesus be in the grave for 3 days AND 3 nights, as He said He would, if He was buried the day before the "weekly" sabbath and rose the day AFTER the "weekly" sabbath.....the first day of the week? That is IMPOSSIBLE!

Jesus HAD to be killed and in the grave on the PASSOVER!

We know that Jesus ate the Passover meal, was then captured, tried, crucified and buried ALL on the Passover.

And what was the next day that followed? A "HIGH" sabbath, NOT the weekly sabbath!

For how could the weekly sabbath follow the day Christ was buried AND satisfy the timeline Jesus said He would be in the grave?

"For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."


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[sniper762]

you guys are trying to explain "traditional" teachings and trying to justify them. "sabboths" that you eroneuosly substitute for "sabboth day" (actual bible scripture) are not the same. the crucifiction day as well as the burial day was just before the "sabboth day" (friday) and he rose just before dawn on the day after the "sabboth day" (sunday), thus 72 hours, like it or not

 

[Eccl.12:13]

"...the crucifiction day as well as the burial day was just before the "sabboth day" (friday) and he rose just before dawn on the day after the "sabboth day" (sunday), thus 72 hours, like it or not."

Could you please tell us just how you get a full 72 hours from Fri.at evening till Sun. while it was yet DARK, meaning the sun had not come up yet?

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[RichardBurger]

There have been many people, that have come up with strange ways to MAKE what they practice try to fit God's word.

When all they had to do was search God's word to find the right answer. But doing that could cause them to be as an 'outcast' among their family, friends and church.

If you ask most people, "When was Jesus killed?", most will say on "Good Friday." And when asked, "How do you know.", or, "Can you prove that from the scriptures?, most cannot! As a matter of fact, most do not know why they do the things that they do. But they do them anyway.

My Messiah died on the day we now call Wednesday and was raised on the Sabbath Day. On what day did YOUR Messiah die and rise?

Well....for a change, let's let God's word, and God's word alone tell us when Jesus died.

First let's read WHY Jesus had to die.

Isa.53
[5] But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
[6] All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
[7] He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
[8] He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.

God's word tells us Jesus died for the sins of man.

Now let's read when Jesus died;

Dan.9
[26] And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
[27] And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.

So now we have a day. Daniel tells us that Christ was to die in the middle of the week. For us today that would be Wednesday. Daniel also tells us he shall cause the sacrifice to stop.

Now let's read how long Jesus was to be in the grave;

Matt.12
[40] For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Mark 8
[31] And he began to teach them, that the Son of man must suffer many things, and be rejected of the elders, and of the chief priests, and scribes, and be killed, and after three days rise again.

John 2
[19] Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

So Matt., Mark, and John all heard the same thing.

Now let's hear Jesus describe a day to us;

John 11
[9] Jesus answered, Are there not twelve hours in the day? If any man walk in the day, he stumbleth not, because he seeth the light of this world.

Now let's read what happened the moment Jesus died;

Matt.27
[50] Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
[51] And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;

Mark 15
[37] And Jesus cried with a loud voice, and gave up the ghost.
[38] And the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom.

Luke 23
[44] And it was about the sixth hour, and there was a darkness over all the earth until the ninth hour.
[45] And the sun was darkened, and the veil of the temple was rent in the midst.
[46] And when Jesus had cried with a loud voice, he said, Father, into thy hands I commend my spirit: and having said thus, he gave up the ghost.


Now let's read what Mary found, "...While it was yet dark...";

John 20
[1] The first day of the week cometh Mary Magdalene early, when it was yet dark, unto the sepulchre, and seeth the stone taken away from the sepulchre.

Matt.28
[1] In the end of the sabbath, as it began to dawn toward the first day of the week, came Mary Magdalene and the other Mary to see the sepulchre.
[5] And the angel answered and said unto the women, Fear not ye: for I know that ye seek Jesus, which was crucified.
[6] He is not here: for he is risen, as he said. Come, see the place where the Lord lay.

Mary found nothing, because Jesus had risen.


Well...let's review:

• Daniel told us that the Messiah would die, "...in the midst of the week..."
• Daniel told us that the Messiah's death would stop the sacrifice.
• Jesus tells us there are (12) hours in a day.
• Jesus said He would be in the grave for (3) days and (3) nights.
• On the first day of the week, while it was yet dark, Mary found the grave empty.

So let's start putting the pieces together;

Daniel was told that Jesus would die in the middle of the week, so let's start there;

Since Jesus became our Passover, everything that applied to the Passover lamb HAD to apply to Jesus. The Passover lamb HAD to die on the day of the Passover. So according to what was told to Daniel, Jesus had to die sometime between our Tue. evening and Wed. evening. This must be the case because Tue. at sunset starts the next day Wed.

And the moment Jesus died the veil of the temple was torn into (2) parts. No veil means no more sacrifices.

So we have Jesus in the grave BEFORE the sun sets on the day we call Wed. And since we know that Jesus, still calulated a day to be (12) hours we know that He had to be in the grave for a total of (72) hours, (3) periods of day at (12) hours each AND (3) periods of night at (12) hours each; after all, Jesus Himself said, "For as Jonas was three days and three nights in the whale's belly; so shall the Son of man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth."

So from Wed. at sunset to Thur. at sunset, would give us (1) 24hr period. From Thur. sunset to Fri. sunset would give us (1) 24hr period. And from Fri. sunset to Sat.sunset would give us (1) 24hr. period. So that would cover the time that Jesus said He would be in the grave; 3 days AND 3 nights.

And what did Mary find when she went to Jesus tomb, while it was yet dark? Nothing! Because just as Jesus said, He would ONLY be in the grave for (72) hours, 3 days and 3 nights and not a second more.

Just as Jesus had to be in the grave BEFORE the sun set, He also had to be out of the grave BEFORE the sun set.

That would mean that Jesus rose from the grave on the Sabbath day. Yes!!!! The same Sabbath day that He set aside and made Holy. The same Sabbath day that He said will be observed forever. The same Sabbath that He said the following of;

"For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day."

Now all of what we just read goes hand in hand with everything in God's word. We did not have to go to an outside source to understand anything. We did not have to look up and try to find what the "Jews of the day" did, or how the "Jews of the day measured time.", because Jesus already told us; (12hrs). We didn't have guess what day it was because it was already told to Daniel; (the midst of the week).

All we had to do was to use the information God gave us and a little common sense.


My Messiah died on the day we now call Wednesday and was raised on the Sabbath Day. On what day did YOUR Messiah die and rise?

To the believing Jews, Jesus was/is their Messiah and King. --- I am a Gentile and to me, Jesus is my savior, Gentiles were never promised a Messiah and King.