Once Saved Always Saved (Eternal Security)

[Armadillo]

Your opinion is not scripture.

o

What the Greek meaning is, is not from my opinion.

 

[Armadillo]

I really don't know why I engage with you Job, with your one sentence responses that fit your agenda and glossing over what is written, it must be those grave clothes I see you wearing that need to come off.

 

[Job]

If you re-read my posts, I never said we deny Christ. You said I said it. You are fixated on it. Stop, read.

There are your words right there.

Peter heard the rooster crow 3 times and 3 times he denied Jesus.

Don't we all need to hear the rooster crow?

o

 

[Job]

What the Greek meaning is, is not from my opinion.

My bible is in English.

o

 

[Job]

I really don't know why I engage with you Job, with your one sentence responses that fit your agenda and glossing over what is written,

Actually most of my post are nothing but the written word.

o

 

[Job]

it must be those grave clothes I see you wearing that need to come off.

Insults are an indication that your stumped.


They don't bother me. You're the one that has to account for them.

o

 

[Stranger]

I have a question.

If God said to you that you could decide the salvation He offers as to whether or not you could lose it, what system would you choose?

Stranger

 

[GodsGrace]

I have a question.

If God said to you that you could decide the salvation He offers as to whether or not you could lose it, what system would you choose?

Stranger

The system that says I could lose it.

And anyway, OSAS is NOT biblically correct.
I see talking back and forth here but no scripture.

 

[mjrhealth]

The system that says I could lose it.

And anyway, OSAS is NOT biblically correct.
I see talkinga back and forth here but no scripture.

2Ti 2:12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
2Ti 2:13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

So I guess as long as we dont cast Him out lke a devil we are OK, but of course believing takes faith, who has teh faith to believe?? I do.

 

[GodsGrace]

Salvation is a one-time event by the washing of the blood of Jesus and that once you are saved, you cannot do anything to lose your salvation and that God will never take away your salvation, because he gave us eternal life. All believers are permanently sealed unto the day of redemption by the indwelling of the Holy Spirit. This is an essential fundamental doctrine of Christ for salvation, if you don't not believe this, you're making God a liar, and not having faith toward him. The believer didn't work to get salvation; therefore the believer cannot work to keep salvation. This is not the P (Perseverance of the Saints) of TULIP in Calvinism philosophy.

You know why this is fundamental and essential for salvation? Because the Bible says so.

1 John 5:10 (KJV) He that believeth on the Son of God hath the witness in himself: he that believeth not God hath made him a liar; because he believeth not the record that God gave of his Son. And this is the record, that God hath given to us eternal life, and this life is in his Son.

If someone never believed in once saved always saved or if saved always saved, then they're not saved. It's that simple.
Clearly here we see that someone must believe the record that God gave of his Son or else they are not believing in God and are actually making him a liar. There are 4 fundamental points that consist of this record.

1. God hath given us eternal life. It's not Allah, it's not Buddha, it's not a futuristic. It's God.
2. It's a gift. God hath given. A gift is free and unearned. You can't work for this gift or earn it. All you have to do is receive it by believing on Jesus. (John 1:12)
3. Eternal life. He gave us eternal life. Not temporary life, pending life or conditional security. Eternal means forever. If you can lose your salvation then that's not eternal and God lied. But we know that God cannot lie.
   
4. This life is in his Son. This life is only in his Son, because Jesus is the way, the truth and the life. He's the only way to heaven. That's what you have to believe.

Now let's look on certain verses which exegete once saved always saved. Look what Jesus said here:

John 6:47 (KJV) Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that believeth on me hath everlasting life.

John 3:15 (KJV) That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

If you were to fall away and be implied that you are not saved at the moment, then that's not eternal life! One thing I want to stress is that this is not the P (Perseverance of the Saints) in TULIP of Calvinism philosophy. The name itself shows a false gospel of perseverance and works for salvation. You don't have to endure to the end to be saved.

Clearly the Bible makes it clear that salvation is by grace through faith alone without works.

◦ Romans 4:5 - But to him that worketh not, but believeth on him that justifieth the ungodly, his faith is counted for righteousness.

◦ Ephesians 2:8-9 - For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: Not of works, lest any man should boast.

◦ Romans 3:20 - Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.


John 3:3 (KJV) Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

How can you get unborn? You can't!

John 3:15 (KJV) That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.

Does it say temporary life or conditional security life? No! So don't call Jesus a liar!

The most famous Bible verse of all proves eternal security!

John 3:16 (KJV) For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.

John 3:18 (KJV) He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.

John 3:36 (KJV) He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him.

John 4:13-14 (KJV) Jesus answered and said unto her, Whosoever drinketh of this water shall thirst again: But whosoever drinketh of the water that I shall give him shall never thirst; but the water that I shall give him shall be in him a well of water springing up into everlasting life.

You're passed from death to life. It's a done deal! A one time event of just putting your faith on Jesus.

John 5:24 (KJV) Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that heareth my word, and believeth on him that sent me, hath everlasting life, and shall not come into condemnation; but is passed from death unto life.

You're not going to come into condemnation.

John 6:35 (KJV) And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst.

John 6:37 (KJV) All that the Father giveth me shall come to me; and him that cometh to me I will in no wise cast out.

He will in NO WISE cast us out! Wow what an amazing promise!

John 6:40 (KJV) And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

John 6:53-54 (KJV) Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you. Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

Saved Christians will never perish!

John 10:28 (KJV) And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.

John 11:25-26 (KJV) Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live: And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

If you're saved, you're never going to die, believest thou this?

Romans 6:23 (KJV) For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

Romans 8:14-17 (KJV) For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, they are the sons of God. For ye have not received the spirit of bondage again to fear; but ye have received the Spirit of adoption, whereby we cry, Abba, Father. The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with him, that we may be also glorified together.

Nothing shall seperate me from the love of God!

Romans 8:38-39 (KJV) For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord.

The Holy Spirit seals us unto the day of redemption with his down-payment.

2 Corinthians 1:22 (KJV) Who hath also sealed us, and given the earnest of the Spirit in our hearts.

Ephesians 4:30 (KJV) And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

Ephesians 1:13-14 (KJV) In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise, Which is the earnest of our inheritance until the redemption of the purchased possession, unto the praise of his glory.

Titus 1:2 (KJV) In hope of eternal life, which God, that cannot lie, promised before the world began;

Even if we stop believing, you cannot lose your salvation nor will God ever take your salvation!

2 Timothy 2:13 (KJV) If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

God bless!

You quoted too much stuff.
Let's take Ephesians 2:8-9

Why did you leave out Ephesians 2:10
Do good works scare you?

Are we supposed to do them or not?

Are we saved for our works?
Do we remain saved for our works?

 

[GodsGrace]

2Ti 2:12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
2Ti 2:13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.

So I guess as long as we dont cast Him out lke a devil we are OK, but of course believing takes faith, who has teh faith to believe?? I do.

What does it mean to believe?

 

[GodsGrace]

This chapter is talking about the tribulation in end times. You can't just take it out of total context like that.

Matthew 24:21-22 (KJV) For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

It says no flesh be saved. So verse 13 is simply talking about getting your flesh saved. Not spiritual salvation.

ndured to the end in Matthew justmeans they survived the tribulation on earthphysically. Not salvation

Did Job answer this?

It may be speaking about the end times, but Jesus DID say that he that holds on to the end will be saved.

IOW, tribulation will not shake our faith in Him.
We have tribulation every day. We have trouble all the time.
Are we keeping our faith?
Do we continue to believe?


Jesus said that unless our righteousness surpases that of the pharisees, we shall not enter into the Kingdom of Heaven. Does our righteousness surpass that of the pharisees? And what does this even mean?
Mathew 5:20

 

[Job]

What does it mean to believe?

John 20
29 Jesus said to him, “Thomas, because you have seen Me, you have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet have believed.”


o

 

[mjrhealth]

What does it mean to believe?

Well i suppose its more a knowing than a believing, many "believe" in Jesus but not many actually "know" him. Its a bit like the queen, many have read countless books about her, yet they do not know her and certainly are not her friend, because to be ones friend one must spend time with them, So i guess in this account I know I am saved, simply because Jesus is faithful to accomplish all that He set out to do, see He gets all the glory, isnt it so wonderful.

God bless

 

[GodsGrace]

Well i suppose its more a knowing than a believing, many "believe" in Jesus but not many actually "know" him. Its a bit like the queen, many have read countless books about her, yet they do not know her and certainly are not her friend, because to be ones friend one must spend time with them, So i guess in this account I know I am saved, simply because Jesus is faithful to accomplish all that He set out to do, see He gets all the glory, isnt it so wonderful.

God bless

Believe means much more. When one believes in Jesus it means that
he is a disciiple of Jesus, he follows Him, he learns from him, he copies the behavior and attitudes of the Lord, he wants to please him and do as he says, he trusts Him.

So believing (in Christianity) means:

° to be a disciple
° to follow
° to learn from
° to copy the behavior
° to copy the attitudes
° to trust

 

[Stranger]

The system that says I could lose it.

And anyway, OSAS is NOT biblically correct.
I see talking back and forth here but no scripture.

That is interesting. It would be interesting to know why. Is it because you identify it with Calvinism, which I know you dislike?

I do see OSAS as Biblical, though some explanation must be given about 'saved'. But once one is born-again, I believe heaven is his eternal destiny and that will not change. His walk will be up and down, of course, but his eternity is secured.

The main point I suppose I base this on is the doctrine of imputation whereby we, by faith, receive the righteousness of Christ, and Christ receives our sins. (Rom.1:17, 3:22, 4:6-8)

Since it is the righteousness of Christ, we can neither improve on it, or take away from it by our good or bad deeds.

Stranger

 

[GodsGrace]

That is interesting. It would be interesting to know why. Is it because you identify it with Calvinism, which I know you dislike?

I do see OSAS as Biblical, though some explanation must be given about 'saved'. But once one is born-again, I believe heaven is his eternal destiny and that will not change. His walk will be up and down, of course, but his eternity is secured.

The main point I suppose I base this on is the doctrine of imputation whereby we, by faith, receive the righteousness of Christ, and Christ receives our sins. (Rom.1:17, 3:22, 4:6-8)

Since it is the righteousness of Christ, we can neither improve on it, or take away from it by our good or bad deeds.

Stranger

I agree on everything including imputation.
We are not righteous of ourselves, we are imputed the righteousness of Christ.

If the conditions you state above are kept, one can be sure of his salvation.
If one abandons Jesus, he can no longer be saved.
We must abide in Jesus to be saved. HE is the vine that saves us.
John 15:5-6

If we abandon Him and return to a LIFE OF SIN, how could we possibly still be saved?
2 Peter 2:20-22

The walk will be up and down, yes. Sinning has nothing to do with this unless, as I said above, it becomes a life of sin and thus Jesus is abandoned.

As far as my choice. Here's why:

A Calvinist says that God chooses us.
If one falls away, they'll say that the person was never saved to begin with.
The choice is never of the person. He doesn't choose to be saved, and he doesn't choose to become lost again.

Arminianism believes in Free Will.
I choose to accept Jesus as my Savior.
I choose to stay with Him.
I choose to leave Him. (if I want to, although I can't imagine why)

If I end up with the enemy, it will be because of MY decision,
Not because GOD put me there.

That is my reasoning.

 

[101G]

Believe means much more. When one believes in Jesus it means that
he is a disciiple of Jesus, he follows Him, he learns from him, he copies the behavior and attitudes of the Lord, he wants to please him and do as he says, he trusts Him.

GG, to know God is to hear God. and to Know God is to understand God. and to understand him, leads to in obeying him. to sum it all up, one as a son, (meaning male and female), have a relationship with God our Father. and that relationship never changes. only broken fellowship is to our sin, which was paid in full for. so we must get to Know our Father. the best example I can give is our own selves with our earthly fathers. there was no rules in growing up, just learning. LOVE of the relationship GREW, and we all enjoyed the fellowship in that growing up. when we grew up then we could laugh with father about the whippings he gave us, but the LOVE overcame all. this is what it's like our heavenly Father, but much much more.

Just remember you're his child, meaning the relationship never changes. only the enjoyment of that relationship can be interrupted by our sins, which can quickly be removed by confession, (see 1 John 1:9). just as our earthly didn't punish us for every wrong doing, neither will our heavenly Father. second we have an advocate who intercede on our behalf. we can't lose, the deck is stack for us who TRUST/BELIEVE him. I am persuaded as our brother Paul. Romans 8:38 "For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord". that I bank on, or have FAITH in

hoped this help

 

[GodsGrace]

GG, to know God is to hear God. and to Know God is to understand God. and to understand him, leads to in obeying him. to sum it all up, one as a son, (meaning male and female), have a relationship with God our Father. and that relationship never changes. only broken fellowship is to our sin, which was paid in full for. so we must get to Know our Father. the best example I can give is our own selves with our earthly fathers. there was no rules in growing up, just learning. LOVE of the relationship GREW, and we all enjoyed the fellowship in that growing up. when we grew up then we could laugh with father about the whippings he gave us, but the LOVE overcame all. this is what it's like our heavenly Father, but much much more.

Just remember you're his child, meaning the relationship never changes. only the enjoyment of that relationship can be interrupted by our sins, which can quickly be removed by confession, (see 1 John 1:9). just as our earthly didn't punish us for every wrong doing, neither will our heavenly Father. second we have an advocate who intercede on our behalf. we can't lose, the deck is stack for us who TRUST/BELIEVE him. I am persuaded as our brother Paul. Romans 8:38 "For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers, nor things present, nor things to come, Nor height, nor depth, nor any other creature, shall be able to separate us from the love of God, which is in Christ Jesus our Lord". that I bank on, or have FAITH in

hoped this help

I agree.
As you said in the highlighted above NOTHING can separate us from the love we have for God. We can even experience tribulation, but God will help us through it, and I've even been mad at Him at times, but He helps us and it passes and we constinue on our path.

I do believe that WE can separate OURSELVES from God.
This would be the sin of denying the Holy Spirit.
If we deny God, He will deny us.

Other than that, we are Always safe in His hands.

I know of some Christians who believe that NO MATTER WHAT THEY DO, they will Always be saved if they just walked down that isle and accepted Jesus that one time.
THIS I cannot agree with.

 

[101G]

I do believe that WE can separate OURSELVES from God.
This would be the sin of denying the Holy Spirit.
If we deny God, He will deny us.

WHAT!, you say that you're a christian, and on the other hand can, or might deny him. that don't wash. did you not hear, "he will never FORSAKE, OR leave US". IF HE DENY US, HE DENY HIMSELF. and that want fly. scripture to back this up, 2 Timothy 2:13 "If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself". read GG.