Once saved, always saved is a myth.

[Taken]

Is the bible true? Is it "God breathed?"

Yes…

If so, do not all scripture passages support the same truth? Then, one must not accept a doctrine that is no confirmed in all scripture.

ALL Scripture IS TRUE.

ALL Scripture “DOES NOT APPLY THE SAME TO ALL of manKIND”.

Being an Individual, YOU (and God) knows your True Belief.

By what YOU believe that parallels Scripture…that Scripture would APPLY to YOU.

Some Believe IN God…that would apply to the individual.

Some do NOT Believe IN God…that would apply to the individual.

Some believe, but have NOT been Converted..(They are NOT Sanctified and CAN fall away.)

Some believe, and HAVE Become Converted…(They ARE Sanctified and can NEVER fall away.)

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Michiah-Imla]

ALL Scripture “DOES NOT APPLY THE SAME TO ALL of manKIND”.

“Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.” (Isaiah 45:22)

“…their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.” (Romans 10:18)

Look unto God and to ALL OF HIS WORDS!!

So:

“Cease, my son, to hear the instruction that causeth to err from the words of knowledge.” (Proverbs 19:27)

 

[Taken]

Is the bible true? Is it "God breathed?"

You can do a bible search…
Shall be saved…
ARE Sanctified (saved and set apart).

Jesus’ offering… was the opportunity for a man to RECEIVE…sanctification……NOW
A saved soul…………..NOW
A born again spirit….NOW

Why the emphasis on NOW?
Because…in ORDER and WAY, for a man to receive…
A saved soul….
A born again spirit…

ONE THING MUST OCCUR…
** A bodily death, whereby the man physically DIES….having belief IN HIS HEART.

There ARE warnings to men “NOT CONVERTED”….who believe in their Heart…TO KEEP believing…ENDURING…HOPING they do not FAIL…..become enticed by an evil spirit, or wicked men to reject God…..
BECAUSE….IF…they DO bodily die Beliving…
“THEY WILL BE SAVED”.

Jesus’ offering for SANCTIFICATION for salvation NOW…(before a PHYSICAL Death)…..is Opting to BECOME “bodily crucified with Jesus’ body”….

That BODY, is “accounted” DEAD (crucified with Christ Jesus)….called a “LIVING SACRIFICE”….
An Individual Freelly Makes that Choice, and by the man’s OWN WORD declares his Oath for God to receive His BODY upon it’s physical Dead…(wash it in Jesus’ blood, cleanse, justify, etc.)
His Soul is THEN saved.
His Spirit is THEN born again of Gods Seed.
The Lords Spirit dwells with-IN that man, keeping that man UNTO God, all the days remaining of that mans Physical bodily life.
He simply waits for the “formality” of physical bodily death.

Quick reference;

Rom 12:
[1] I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that ye present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable unto God, which is your reasonable service.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Taken]

“Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.” (Isaiah 45:22)

“…their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.” (Romans 10:18)

Look unto God and to ALL OF HIS WORDS!!

You obviously think you are pretending I said something I DID NOT SAY.

Of course you READ ALL of Gods Word….
How otherwise would you KNOW what does or does not APPLY to YOU?

 

[Phil .]

The reality of ‘saved’ is unthinkable, unbelievable, unsuspectable, unacceptable & entirely underestimated.

 

[MatthewG]

Fighting over the stuff is stupid.

Conversation and understanding and being humble is what’s important.

 

[Phil .]

Fighting over the stuff is stupid.

Conversation and understanding and being humble is what’s important.

The conversation was nice, until you started talking about me instead.

 

[MatthewG]

The conversation was nice, until you started talking about me instead.

The yous are countless on forums,

It’s just child’s play, Christian’s telling Christian’s that they are wrong. And then that’s the end of discussion sometimes.

Isn’t it?

 

[amigo de christo]

Not at all true,save for eternal security being a term that encapsulates the irrevocable gift in the Gospel.

salvation is CONDITIONAL .
and i can prove it .
That ALL WHO DO BELIEVE would not perish .
Those who hear and believe not WILL BE DAMNED to a hellacious damanation from which they
cannot and will not escape .
AND lets not forget those IFS . IF YE CONTINUE , otherwise .........................YE TOO shall be cast out
IT is NOT A SIN nor a lack of trust in JESUS CHRIST to REMIND the church that IT MUST CONTINUE
to the END . JESUS Did not sin , and paul and others did not sin when they said YE MUST CONTINUE , OTHERWISE ...........
SO ITS NOT A SIN for me to DO SO . WE MUST remind and we must do so daily .
EVERY and ER word written IS FOR OUR GOOD and we NEED TO BE REMINDED . Times have went viral bad
and its only gonna get worse as the delusion of the love god becomes engrained upon the hearts and minds of all religoins
and of the world .

 

[amigo de christo]

Yes…



ALL Scripture IS TRUE.

ALL Scripture “DOES NOT APPLY THE SAME TO ALL of manKIND”.

Being an Individual, YOU (and God) knows your True Belief.

By what YOU believe that parallels Scripture…that Scripture would APPLY to YOU.

Some Believe IN God…that would apply to the individual.

Some do NOT Believe IN God…that would apply to the individual.

Some believe, but have NOT been Converted..(They are NOT Sanctified and CAN fall away.)

Some believe, and HAVE Become Converted…(They ARE Sanctified and can NEVER fall away.)

Glory to God,
Taken

ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
scripture IS TRUE .
As you rightly said .
ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
so how come so many omit what follows those ifs
HOW COME SO MANY omit what JESUS TOLD HIS OWN about having to ENDURE TO THE END .
ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
scripture taken . ALL OF IT MUST BE EMBRACE , BELIEVING as does a child EVERY WORD WRITTEN
which was written FOR OUR OWN LEARNING . ITS ALL HOLY SPIRIT INSPIRED
and by ALL
i mean ALL as in EVERY WARNING TOO .

 

[amigo de christo]

“Look unto me, and be ye saved, all the ends of the earth: for I am God, and there is none else.” (Isaiah 45:22)

“…their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world.” (Romans 10:18)

Look unto God and to ALL OF HIS WORDS!!

So:

“Cease, my son, to hear the instruction that causeth to err from the words of knowledge.” (Proverbs 19:27)

The letters written . when james , when paul , when peter , when jude
and others wrote , ME THINKS MANY FORGET they were writing to BELIEVERS .
As they try and twist what applies or dont apply to us , in order to serve a precept o men .
I dont think i ever read where they said , <HOLD ON CHURCH
this next part i write is not TO YOU WHO BELIEVE but to the lost so just go ahead and skip over this .
YET MANY TODAY DO JUST that , they pick and choose what they like and what they dont like
gets twisted and or omitted as though it applies to etc etc etc and not to us who do believe .
BOY DO WE GOT PROBLEMS IN THE HOUSE called christendom . but the lambs wont heed that which is contrary to GOD
and to HIS CHRIST .

 

[amigo de christo]

The yous are countless on forums,

It’s just child’s play, Christian’s telling Christian’s that they are wrong. And then that’s the end of discussion sometimes.

Isn’t it?

Christains do tell christains they are wrong when one is wrong .
HECK paul rebuked , TOLD PETER HE WAS WRONG before them all . OOOOPS . LETS NOT be so quick
to run down the all inclusive lovey do correct not trail ........................FOR ITS END IS THE SECOND DEATH .

 

[amigo de christo]

IT is very obvious that some stick to the bible and its instruction and others stick to EMOTIONS which do contradict TRUTH .

 

[Taken]

ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
scripture IS TRUE .
As you rightly said .
ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
so how come so many omit what follows those ifs
HOW COME SO MANY omit what JESUS TOLD HIS OWN about having to ENDURE TO THE END .
ALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL
scripture taken . ALL OF IT MUST BE EMBRACE , BELIEVING as does a child EVERY WORD WRITTEN
which was written FOR OUR OWN LEARNING . ITS ALL HOLY SPIRIT INSPIRED
and by ALL
i mean ALL as in EVERY WARNING TOO .

I have repeated this SO many times….

There ARE “BELIEVERS”…..la, la, la, la….
THEY BELIEVE…..AND THEN….
By THEIR OWN POWER…are Believing…THEN…BAM…
THEY BECOME TEMPTED….
Hear the tickle in their ear…this can’t be so, that can’t be so…
** REMEMBER….EVIL spirits LURK, “ARE stronger than men”….Have cunning WAYS to make men DOUBT.
** REMEMBER….WICKED men IN Governing Power SEATS…”tempting, convincing men WICKED WAYS are pfff, not wicked, are okay.
** Those WARNINGS of spirits and men of THINGS STRONGER than Individuals….ARE expressly FOR the “BELIEVER”…..
WHO IS “NOT” Converted.
** WARNINGS, evil spirits will seek you out…
** WARNINGS, wicked men will use their POWER to threaten, harass, etc.

Gods WARNING to “BELIEVERS” is to stay the course….Beware…of evil spirits, wicked men….ENDURE “IN” Belief until the end of YOUR PHYSICAL LIFE….and WHAT?
YOU WILL BE SAVED.
“IN the meantime…..aS LONG As that man CONTINUES believing….he will be WITH God and God WITH him…
That man IS Vulnerable, and Can Stop believing, and will NO LONGER be “WITH” God or God “WITH” that man…
It is called … falllen from faith.

That man WAS NeVER saved…he was believing and following and then u-turned.

God IS NOT Fooled…make a FAKE pledge….you might fool other men….but YOU and God will know the TRUTH….you said it, but you did not mean it. And tHAT IS LYING to the Holy Spirit…

And there are plenty of people who were dunked in water….and say oh, oh, oh, I was Saved…..but, but, but, I no longer believe…
That fact they no longer believe is TRUE…
Claiming they were Saved is FALSE.


Salvation IS NOT given a man “”UNTIL”” AFTER a bodily death.

Now 2,000 years again JESUS Appeared with A “BETTER TESTAMENT”…..
That goes like this….

YOU can PLEDGE, by your own WORD, that YOU WILL GIVE your body UNTO DEATH….the moment of your Physical Death…..that is a mans True Heartful Promise…..
And for sure God Searches, Sees, IF YOU LIE or TELL the TRUTH….

Telling your Heartful TRUTH?
You can become bodily Crucified WITH Christ….called a LIVING SACRIFICE…
YET Spiritually you BODY is ACCOUNTED DEAD…..
And HOW many times “MUST” a mans body DIE? “ONCE”.

That man Freely giving His Body unto Death, BY confession of his TRUE Heartful Word…
INSTANTLY…
Becomes….FORGIVEN of ALL SIN Against the Lord God….
* And WHAT IS SIN Against the Lord God?
DISBELIEF.
* His SOUL instantly SAVED.
* His Heart circumcised. (New Heart)
* HIs Receipt of the SEED of God in his new Heart…(Baptism of the Holy Spirit).
* Gods Spirit of TRUTH “remains IN YOUR NEW HEART”.
* New Heart, New Seed, New Truth, Gods Truth, “IN” you for the remainder of your NATURAL LIFE.
* THAT is “CONVERTED”…..
God Spirit IN you….and WITH you…
* Once your body IS RAISED UP….it is raised UP IN IT”S OWN perfect, holy body…
* Gods SPIRIT no long is “IN” YOU, yet From the TIME you ARE Baptized WITH the Holy Spirit….Forever and ever….His Spirit will ALWAYS BE WITH YOU.

When you are still ALIVE….With Gods SPIRIT “IN” you….WHAT SPIRIT, OR power governing man … IS STRONGER THAN Gods SPIRIT…that it can CONVINCE you to DENY the Lord God? ZIP!
Once a man “IS” converted…Never again can he SIN (deny) Against God….Never again can he be TEMPTED by evil spirits or wicked men…..the whole meaning of OSAS…

The Mans body is accounted have DIED…and been risen up aNEW creature, with Christ, “IN” Christ….
Where is that OLD BODY what once denied the Lord God? DEAD.
How can an OLD DEAD BODY…then decide to Deny the Lord God…? He can not…
Ie ONCE a man “IS” Saved, Born Again….
IT IS A PERMANENT condition of a new creature.

Do you see now the difference between…
A believer….and a Converted Believer?

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[amigo de christo]

I have repeated this SO many times….

There ARE “BELIEVERS”…..la, la, la, la….
THEY BELIEVE…..AND THEN….
By THEIR OWN POWER…are Believing…THEN…BAM…
THEY BECOME TEMPTED….
Hear the tickle in their ear…this can’t be so, that can’t be so…
** REMEMBER….EVIL spirits LURK, “ARE stronger than men”….Have cunning WAYS to make men DOUBT.
** REMEMBER….WICKED men IN Governing Power SEATS…”tempting, convincing men WICKED WAYS are pfff, not wicked, are okay.
** Those WARNINGS of spirits and men of THINGS STRONGER than Individuals….ARE expressly FOR the “BELIEVER”…..
WHO IS “NOT” Converted.
** WARNINGS, evil spirits will seek you out…
** WARNINGS, wicked men will use their POWER to threaten, harass, etc.

Gods WARNING to “BELIEVERS” is to stay the course….Beware…of evil spirits, wicked men….ENDURE “IN” Belief until the end of YOUR PHYSICAL LIFE….and WHAT?
YOU WILL BE SAVED.
“IN the meantime…..aS LONG As that man CONTINUES believing….he will be WITH God and God WITH him…
That man IS Vulnerable, and Can Stop believing, and will NO LONGER be “WITH” God or God “WITH” that man…
It is called … falllen from faith.

That man WAS NeVER saved…he was believing and following and then u-turned.

God IS NOT Fooled…make a FAKE pledge….you might fool other men….but YOU and God will know the TRUTH….you said it, but you did not mean it. And tHAT IS LYING to the Holy Spirit…

And there are plenty of people who were dunked in water….and say oh, oh, oh, I was Saved…..but, but, but, I no longer believe…
That fact they no longer believe is TRUE…
Claiming they were Saved is FALSE.


Salvation IS NOT given a man “”UNTIL”” AFTER a bodily death.

Now 2,000 years again JESUS Appeared with A “BETTER TESTAMENT”…..
That goes like this….

YOU can PLEDGE, by your own WORD, that YOU WILL GIVE your body UNTO DEATH….the moment of your Physical Death…..that is a mans True Heartful Promise…..
And for sure God Searches, Sees, IF YOU LIE or TELL the TRUTH….

Telling your Heartful TRUTH?
You can become bodily Crucified WITH Christ….called a LIVING SACRIFICE…
YET Spiritually you BODY is ACCOUNTED DEAD…..
And HOW many times “MUST” a mans body DIE? “ONCE”.

That man Freely giving His Body unto Death, BY confession of his TRUE Heartful Word…
INSTANTLY…
Becomes….FORGIVEN of ALL SIN Against the Lord God….
* And WHAT IS SIN Against the Lord God?
DISBELIEF.
* His SOUL instantly SAVED.
* His Heart circumcised. (New Heart)
* HIs Receipt of the SEED of God in his new Heart…(Baptism of the Holy Spirit).
* Gods Spirit of TRUTH “remains IN YOUR NEW HEART”.
* New Heart, New Seed, New Truth, Gods Truth, “IN” you for the remainder of your NATURAL LIFE.
* THAT is “CONVERTED”…..
God Spirit IN you….and WITH you…
* Once your body IS RAISED UP….it is raised UP IN IT”S OWN perfect, holy body…
* Gods SPIRIT no long is “IN” YOU, yet From the TIME you ARE Baptized WITH the Holy Spirit….Forever and ever….His Spirit will ALWAYS BE WITH YOU.

When you are still ALIVE….With Gods SPIRIT “IN” you….WHAT SPIRIT, OR power governing man … IS STRONGER THAN Gods SPIRIT…that it can CONVINCE you to DENY the Lord God? ZIP!
Once a man “IS” converted…Never again can he SIN (deny) Against God….Never again can he be TEMPTED by evil spirits or wicked men…..the whole meaning of OSAS…

The Mans body is accounted have DIED…and been risen up aNEW creature, with Christ, “IN” Christ….
Where is that OLD BODY what once denied the Lord God? DEAD.
How can an OLD DEAD BODY…then decide to Deny the Lord God…? He can not…
Ie ONCE a man “IS” Saved, Born Again….
IT IS A PERMANENT condition of a new creature.

Do you see now the difference between…
A believer….and a Converted Believer?

Glory to God,
Taken

The warning was TO ALL my friend . its calvin and osas who try and say CONVERTED beleiver verses beleiver .
THE LETTERS were written TO BELEIVERS to the church .
EVERY REMINDER is for the church .
EVERY . Even paul knew ..................though osas tries to omit this fact and say it means something else .
LEST even after i have preached the gospel i myself be castaway . YEAH . TIME WE GOT DUG IN THE BIBLE FOR US .
I already know if anyone falls away to return not , THEY WERE NEVER TRULY HIS
but THOSE WHO ARE HIS would also be reminding about having to ENDURE TO THE END . time to learn it ALL .
not through the lens of osas but rather READ IT FOR YOURSELF .

 

[BlessedPeace]

salvation is CONDITIONAL .
and i can prove it .
That ALL WHO DO BELIEVE would not perish .
Those who hear and believe not WILL BE DAMNED to a hellacious damanation from which they
cannot and will not escape .
AND lets not forget those IFS . IF YE CONTINUE , otherwise .........................YE TOO shall be cast out
IT is NOT A SIN nor a lack of trust in JESUS CHRIST to REMIND the church that IT MUST CONTINUE
to the END . JESUS Did not sin , and paul and others did not sin when they said YE MUST CONTINUE , OTHERWISE ...........
SO ITS NOT A SIN for me to DO SO . WE MUST remind and we must do so daily .
EVERY and ER word written IS FOR OUR GOOD and we NEED TO BE REMINDED . Times have went viral bad
and its only gonna get worse as the delusion of the love god becomes engrained upon the hearts and minds of all religoins
and of the world .

You can prove Jesus died for conditional reprieve from sin and its Hell penalty.

The delusion arrives insisting Jesus didn't change a thing. And that he lied when he said we are not saved by our own efforts, so that we cannot boast. Rather, we are saved,God said, by his grace through faith. And,and this is the key part you seek to overcome, it is irrevocable.

irrevocable/ĭ-rĕv′ə-kə-bəl/

adjective​

1. Impossible to retract or revoke.
   "an irrevocable decision."
2. Incapable of being recalled or revoked; unchangeable; irreversible; unalterable.
   "an irrevocable promise or decree; irrevocable fate."

 

[BlessedPeace]

Do you understand the whole concept of a covenant? I think, if you do, then you know a covenant can be broken. While it won't be on Yahweh's part, it is breakable from ours.

Show where all that transforms the sinner into the redeemed is reversed by God,by our choice.

I'll wait here.

 

[Phil .]

EMOTIONS which do contradict TRUTH .

Could you give maybe three or four examples?

 

[Phil .]

salvation is CONDITIONAL .

Exactly.

 

[amigo de christo]

I have repeated this SO many times….

There ARE “BELIEVERS”…..la, la, la, la….
THEY BELIEVE…..AND THEN….
By THEIR OWN POWER…are Believing…THEN…BAM…
THEY BECOME TEMPTED….
Hear the tickle in their ear…this can’t be so, that can’t be so…
** REMEMBER….EVIL spirits LURK, “ARE stronger than men”….Have cunning WAYS to make men DOUBT.
** REMEMBER….WICKED men IN Governing Power SEATS…”tempting, convincing men WICKED WAYS are pfff, not wicked, are okay.
** Those WARNINGS of spirits and men of THINGS STRONGER than Individuals….ARE expressly FOR the “BELIEVER”…..
WHO IS “NOT” Converted.
** WARNINGS, evil spirits will seek you out…
** WARNINGS, wicked men will use their POWER to threaten, harass, etc.

Gods WARNING to “BELIEVERS” is to stay the course….Beware…of evil spirits, wicked men….ENDURE “IN” Belief until the end of YOUR PHYSICAL LIFE….and WHAT?
YOU WILL BE SAVED.
“IN the meantime…..aS LONG As that man CONTINUES believing….he will be WITH God and God WITH him…
That man IS Vulnerable, and Can Stop believing, and will NO LONGER be “WITH” God or God “WITH” that man…
It is called … falllen from faith.

That man WAS NeVER saved…he was believing and following and then u-turned.

God IS NOT Fooled…make a FAKE pledge….you might fool other men….but YOU and God will know the TRUTH….you said it, but you did not mean it. And tHAT IS LYING to the Holy Spirit…

And there are plenty of people who were dunked in water….and say oh, oh, oh, I was Saved…..but, but, but, I no longer believe…
That fact they no longer believe is TRUE…
Claiming they were Saved is FALSE.


Salvation IS NOT given a man “”UNTIL”” AFTER a bodily death.

Now 2,000 years again JESUS Appeared with A “BETTER TESTAMENT”…..
That goes like this….

YOU can PLEDGE, by your own WORD, that YOU WILL GIVE your body UNTO DEATH….the moment of your Physical Death…..that is a mans True Heartful Promise…..
And for sure God Searches, Sees, IF YOU LIE or TELL the TRUTH….

Telling your Heartful TRUTH?
You can become bodily Crucified WITH Christ….called a LIVING SACRIFICE…
YET Spiritually you BODY is ACCOUNTED DEAD…..
And HOW many times “MUST” a mans body DIE? “ONCE”.

That man Freely giving His Body unto Death, BY confession of his TRUE Heartful Word…
INSTANTLY…
Becomes….FORGIVEN of ALL SIN Against the Lord God….
* And WHAT IS SIN Against the Lord God?
DISBELIEF.
* His SOUL instantly SAVED.
* His Heart circumcised. (New Heart)
* HIs Receipt of the SEED of God in his new Heart…(Baptism of the Holy Spirit).
* Gods Spirit of TRUTH “remains IN YOUR NEW HEART”.
* New Heart, New Seed, New Truth, Gods Truth, “IN” you for the remainder of your NATURAL LIFE.
* THAT is “CONVERTED”…..
God Spirit IN you….and WITH you…
* Once your body IS RAISED UP….it is raised UP IN IT”S OWN perfect, holy body…
* Gods SPIRIT no long is “IN” YOU, yet From the TIME you ARE Baptized WITH the Holy Spirit….Forever and ever….His Spirit will ALWAYS BE WITH YOU.

When you are still ALIVE….With Gods SPIRIT “IN” you….WHAT SPIRIT, OR power governing man … IS STRONGER THAN Gods SPIRIT…that it can CONVINCE you to DENY the Lord God? ZIP!
Once a man “IS” converted…Never again can he SIN (deny) Against God….Never again can he be TEMPTED by evil spirits or wicked men…..the whole meaning of OSAS…

The Mans body is accounted have DIED…and been risen up aNEW creature, with Christ, “IN” Christ….
Where is that OLD BODY what once denied the Lord God? DEAD.
How can an OLD DEAD BODY…then decide to Deny the Lord God…? He can not…
Ie ONCE a man “IS” Saved, Born Again….
IT IS A PERMANENT condition of a new creature.

Do you see now the difference between…
A believer….and a Converted Believer?

Glory to God,
Taken

take a peek at this my friend . someones been a lying to the masses . I never touched the nasty thing and for good reason too .