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[Michiah-Imla]

John 7:39 KJVS
[39] (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given ; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

@justbyfaith

The context is; believe on him BEFORE his death on the cross.

 

[justbyfaith]

John 7:39 KJVS
[39] (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given ; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

@justbyfaith

The context is; believe on him BEFORE his death on the cross.

But they would not receive the Spirit until after His resurrection; for there is one Spirit (Ephesians 4:4); even the Holy Ghost.

 

[Taken]

GOD NEVER OFFERED SALVATION TO ALL MEN!

Sure He did.

John 6
[51] I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.

Heb 10:
[10] By the which will we are sanctified through the offering of the body of Jesus Christ once for all.

He GAVE salvation to those whom He elected, chosen,
named, and predestined in eternity past, from before the foundation of the world! Romans 8:28-30

Yes He Gives Salvation TO THOSE who heartfully BELIEVE and ASK.

God is All knowing...
You may not understand, MEN Choose God... and God Accepts Them, or otherwise, THEN God chooses them.

God simply Knows Who WILL and Will Not Choose Him.

Men Choose God First.

1 Thes 1:
[4] Knowing, brethren beloved, your election of God.

If God chose men First...He would have to Force a man to believe in Him.

God simply reveals Knowledge...and the man chooses God...or Not.

Choose God...God will choose the man.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Bu they would not receive the Spirit until after His resurrection; for there is one Spirit (Ephesians 4:4); even the Holy Ghost.

Jesus was speaking to those presently before him; at that present time, those who would believe on him as Messiah would receive the Spirit. Then once he died and rose again, those believing at that time, they would receive the Holy Ghost. This is what is plainly communicated in John 7:39 and scriptures around it.

 

[justbyfaith]

Jesus was speaking to those presently before him; at that present time, those who would believe on him as Messiah would receive the Spirit. Then once he died and rose again, those believing at that time, they would receive the Holy Ghost. This is what is plainly communicated in John 7:39 and scriptures around it.

They would believe on Him in the present moment but would not receive the Spirit until after He rose from the dead.

Because the Spirit is the Holy Ghost.

For, there is one Spirit (Ephesians 4:4) and therefore since the Holy Ghost is a Spirit, He is the same Spirit as the Spirit.

But is there some other reason why you want to believe in your point of view?

Do you have a reason behind your desire to believe that the Spirit and the Holy Ghost are two different Spirits?

 

[Michiah-Imla]

They would believe on Him in the present moment but would not receive the Spirit until after He rose from the dead

Jesus said:

John 7:38-39
He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. [39] (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

He said that those who believe on him would receive the Spirit; those he was talking to at that present time, believing at that present time.

They could not receive the Holy Ghost at that time because Christ was still alive in the flesh not glorified yet.

Believing on Him before the cross got you the Spirit.

Believing on Him after the resurrection gives you the Holy Ghost.

This is what is plainly communicated in John 7:38-39.

 

[CadyandZoe]

I suppose it being "impossible to be renewed to repentance" means they never repented in the first place.

You're denying the plain Word of God, period!

Paul is not suggesting that it is impossible for a person to repent from rejecting Jesus. Rather, he is saying that Jesus is the only way to salvation and so it does no good to look for another way.

 

[JunChosen]

I'm pretty sure real believers can choose to not believe anymore. But I also think a believer can get to the point that they aren't going back no matter what. And that's why the church has such difficulty with this not so important issue about osas in Christianity.

Not important issue in Christendom? It is because you have no knowledge nor the understanding of the nature and character of what salvation is.

Salvation is God's alone!!! "If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed." No exceptions. John 8:36

To God Be The Glory

 

[amigo de christo]

Go pray to the Lord why this is written in the Bible. Perhaps he will just tell you; “have ye not read...”

And Ephesians says “one Spirit”, not “one Holy Spirit”. Think about that for a second my friend.

Here is something real simple my friend and i hope it helps . ANY SPIRIT that comes FROM GOD , IS HOLY .
Thus just cause that dont include the word holy , dont mean it aint the HOLY .
IF the SPIRIT comes from GOD its HOLY . Now let the LORD be praised .

 

[marks]

Not important issue in Christendom? It is because you have no knowledge nor the understanding of the nature and character of what salvation is.

Salvation is God's alone!!! "If the Son therefore shall make you free, ye shall be free indeed." No exceptions. John 8:36

To God Be The Glory

AMEN!!!

 

[amigo de christo]

I don't see how you figure that.

Both the Spirit and the Holy Ghost (if they be separate Spirits), will be received and given after the resurrection of our Lord, in this scripture.

Believe me they are not different Spirits . It is the one and selfsame Spirit of GOD .
In fact What did JESUS tell them . HE is that spirit that comforter .
If i go i will send the comforter unto you . I WILL COME UNTO YOU , HE also says .
OH LET us PRAISE THE KING . There is but one SPIRIT and its HOLY and its OF GOD , OF CHRIST .
LEt the KING be praised my friend .

 

[Michiah-Imla]

ANY SPIRIT that comes FROM GOD , IS HOLY

I never said the “Spirit” mentioned at John 7:39 was not holy.

Please read that passage; it clearly says one is “the Spirit” (available at that time before Christ was crucified) and the other is called “the Holy Ghost” that wasn’t come yet.

John 7:38-39
[38] He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. [39] (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given ; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.

 

[Charlie24]

Paul is not suggesting that it is impossible for a person to repent from rejecting Jesus. Rather, he is saying that Jesus is the only way to salvation and so it does no good to look for another way.

I'm happy to see we agree on the author of Hebrews as being Paul! I've been referring to him as "the author" to avoid that argument.

I almost hate to disagree with you on what he said now, but I have no choice!

He is definitely saying that there is no other sacrifice for sins, on that we agree!

Where we disagree is in vs 28, speaking of those who despised the Law of Moses and were executed.

Now in vs. 29, "of how much sorer punishment suppose you ........."

Paul is saying that those who hated the Law have not committed near the crime as these who have now gone back on Christ, putting Him to shame, and counting the blood of the covenant as unholy.

They have "received the knowledge of truth" (been saved), and now turned back from Christ into temple worship and Paul is warning them of the consequences of such an action.

This is the purpose that Hebrews was written. Paul is explaining in detail the covenant they are forsaking throughout Hebrews.

He hits on this in chapter 6 and doubles down in chapter 10.

 

[Taken]

Jesus said:

John 7:38-39
He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. [39] (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

He said that those who believe on him would receive the Spirit; those he was talking to at that present time, believing at that present time.

They could not receive the Holy Ghost at that time because Christ was still alive in the flesh not glorified yet.

Believing on Him before the cross got you the Spirit.

Believing on Him after the resurrection gives you the Holy Ghost.

This is what is plainly communicated in John 7:38-39.

The Holy Spirit, Holy Ghost, Spirit of God...all the Same thing...Gods Power.

God chooses Who He will give His spirit...
"With"....or "TO" (in a man).

The Power (Holy Spirit) of God, was given "with" and "in" certain men in the OT...for certain things...and
The Power (Holy Spirit) is "With" and "in" certain men, since Jesus arrived and left, also for certain things.

Example OT:
Ex 31:
[3] And I have "filled" him with the spirit of God, in wisdom, and in understanding and in knowledge, and in all manner of workmanship...

Deut 20:
[4] For the LORD your God is he that goeth with you, to fight for you against your enemies, to save you.

Matt 28:
[20] Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen.

John 15:
[4] Abide in me, and I in you.

When a man is hearing, learning About the Lord God...Gods Spirit IS With the man.

When a man becomes Converted, Gods Spirit is IN the man.

BTW...Scripture reveals the Title of Gods Power...

1 Cor 1:
[24] But unto them which are called, both Jews and Greeks, Christ the power of God, and the wisdom of God.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

So does that mean you are building an ark and waiting for animals to show up? Or was that written for another person in another time?

Much love!

Just as a side dish, I just thought of something, God discriminated between the two sexes in bringing them in, two by two into the Ark, male and female.
That would not go down well nowadays with the so highly respected (demanded) Politically Correct cultural Marxist Socialist doctrine now would it.
Just another point that we can see in such of todays delusions that have been cast.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

And how do you propose to do that? By telling people that if you don't, you'll be sent to hell! So you'd better keep believing!

And you've put it all on you. How encouraging is that?

Ask God. He's the one who said it......

we are his house, if indeed we hold firmly to our confidence and the hope in which we glory." Hebrews 3:6

Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has ascended into heaven, f Jesus the Son of God, let us hold firmly to the faith we profess. Hebrews 4:14

Let us hold unswervingly to the hope we profess, for he who promised is faithful. Hebrews 10:23

see that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father. 1 John 2:24

By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. 1 Corinthians 15:2​

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

I never said the “Spirit” mentioned at John 7:39 was not holy.

Please read that passage; it clearly says one is “the Spirit” (available at that time before Christ was crucified) and the other is called “the Holy Ghost” that wasn’t come yet.

John 7:38-39
[38] He that believeth on me, as the scripture hath said, out of his belly shall flow rivers of living water. [39] (But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given ; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.

There are other spirits Not all spirits are the same.
Their are demonic spirits (Dark) and demonic Angels (messengers) and then their are the Angels of Light and the Spirit of the Light.
Man has an evil spit that is darkness due to the Stain of Original Sin.

The Holy Spirit is one and it always was, but when Jesus Christ went to Heaven he opened the door to us for us to receive the Holy Spirit. as fact is no one can come to the Father but through his only begotten Son. so all religion before this is a work of man seeking God, but from this point on we can receive the message, Jesus Christ made that possible. for no one knew the Father before this. we needed Emmanuel (God with us) and we can see the root cause of our Sinful disposition in that we could put an innocent one to death like we did with Jesus, we are all guilty of such in a way because of the Stain of Original Sin. we need a Saviour or we are cursed. Jesus offered himself up for all, so that we may be Saved through him.

The Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit are as one in the same but 3 different identity's their of. this is of the Light. outside of such is of the darkness.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

you've put the responsibility for "remaining saved" on yourself.

If that's the way you want to look at it then your argument is with the Bible, not me........

we are his house, if indeed we hold firmly to our confidence and the hope in which we glory." Hebrews 3:6

Therefore, since we have a great high priest who has ascended into heaven, f Jesus the Son of God, let us hold firmly to the faith we profess. Hebrews 4:14

Let us hold unswervingly to the hope we profess, for he who promised is faithful. Hebrews 10:23

see that what you have heard from the beginning remains in you. If it does, you also will remain in the Son and in the Father. 1 John 2:24

By this gospel you are saved, if you hold firmly to the word I preached to you. 1 Corinthians 15:2​

 

[Ferris Bueller]

?

Let's come back to that.

Ephesians 4:30 KJV
30) And grieve not the holy Spirit of God, whereby ye are sealed unto the day of redemption.

Can you break God's seal?

Who can go against God's claim of ownership?

Now . . . you've asked, did God own Adam and Eve?

God owns the earth and all that is in it.

So here's a question, did God seal Adam and Eve unto the day of redemption?

Much love!

This makes for interesting discussion but God seems to have a different opinion about what we should be thinking about.....

Let us hold unswervingly to the hope we profess, for he who promised is faithful. And let us consider how we may spur one another on toward love and good deeds Hebrews 10:23-24
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The church seems to have the exact opposite view on things......don't think about holding fast to the gospel, and don't get focused on works, because that would be you trying to save yourself.

 

[Taken]

I did not say that.

But the scriptures say this:

John 7:39
(But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for the Holy Ghost was not yet given ; because that Jesus was not yet glorified.)

So tell me; where did the “Spirit” go when Jesus sent the “Holy Ghost”?

I’m not the one teaching a “Spirit” and a “Holy Spirit”, the scriptures are!!!

Rev 4:
[8] And the four beasts had each of them six wings about him; and they were full of eyes within: and they rest not day and night, saying, Holy, holy, holy, Lord God Almighty, which was, and is, and is to come.

1 Cor 12:
[4] Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit.