Grailhunter
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So I take it that you are a victim of this heresy from hell. So you think heaven is going to be full of evildoers? What is hell for? Maybe you will be another victim that gets to tell us.
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Grailhunter
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Of course. But before that even get to have any meaning to the believer, he must ask himself if what believing he have in Jesus was the believing that Jesus defined in scriptures, that is, that is from the heart and that continues and endures. That makes a lot of difference.
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Grailhunter
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18 My little children, let us not love in word, neither in tongue; but in deed and in truth.
19 And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him.
19 And hereby we know that we are of the truth, and shall assure our hearts before him.
So we get from believing to knowing...
Example: I give my son 50 dollars to mow the Lawn in advance.
But He cannot assure Himself it is His until he starts mowing the Lawn...when He is done His conscience is clear that He really can Spend it.
That is the same as "work out your Salvation,"
"grow in grace" or "make your elect sure"
It's about having a clear conscience before God.....
Hebrews 10:12
let us draw near to God with a sincere heart and with the full assurance that faith brings, having our hearts sprinkled to cleanse us from a guilty conscience and having our bodies washed with pure water.
Therefore Jesus has already did the work, we just have to walk in accord with it.
And when we do at some point you will know...
Because:
Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
This is truly assurance....you will !know!
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The point to all this...is getting heaven in you now......for look who comes to make their abode with us. It's about overcoming this world and the evils around us....through the transformation of our lives walking in the path of righteousnes by the Spirit.
With all that said maybe the word has brought to my own understanding 1 peter 3:21..
So what comes to me is these passages passage:Hebrews 9:13
How much more, then, will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself unblemished to God, cleanse our consciences from acts that lead to death, so that we may serve the living God!
So what happens when you work the word in this life? Not only are you through the Spirit putting away the deeds of the flesh....but your conscience is clear before God....
And so My thoughs about 1 Peter 3 :21...
Is the Baptism is being in the presence of The Trinity. [This is a bold statement but I am thinking outloud]
For if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the flesh you shall live[zoe life]
For the water is the Word...and when you are immersing yourself in the word through the Spirit you have the father and the son.
Does that not remind you of the Baptism in the red sea....they were surrounded by the waters....the whole Trinty was there.
So may your whole body, soul and Spirit be preserved at His coming....
For His coming usually has wrath involved
I think this is for meat eaters...to explore
What if he were a Believer......never stopped being a Believer..... and committed Adultery , died in the very act of adultery with a sudden heart- attack , and never had the chance to repent before he died....now where does he wind up?
You know what this is all about so let’s cut to the chase....Will a life- Long Believer be damned if he has any unrepentant sins on his record when he stands before God? Or are those sins covered by the Grace Of God because the man was a Believer , albeit it a Sinful one...throughout his life....
Ferris Bueller
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Heaven.
He will not be damned.
You keep qualifying this person as a believer. So this person will be saved when Jesus comes back. As long as he really is a believer he will not be damned. I would counsel this person that if he's purposely living in sin, and not just struggling with it, he may not be the believer he thinks he is. And I would tell him that even if he really is a believer sin can harden the heart to unbelief.
Ferris Bueller
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The important point is, the writer is addressing them as people who do have what they profess. He is not making the assumption that they are not saved. He is making the assumption—and is even convinced—that they are saved (Hebrews 6:9) and addresses them accordingly.
Ferris Bueller
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It's not an attack. I'm trying to get you to see the narrow mindset of the Osaser. The Osas mindset cannot see 'works' and 'salvation' together in any other way other than 'works salvation'. That mindset makes it very, very difficult to talk to an Osaser. You can't reason with them. They're shut off. That's why I call Osas a cult.
Ferris Bueller
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It is foolish because no one thinks faith in and of itself is some kind of agent that saves a person. Everyone knows it's just the conduit through which a person receives the grace of God.
OSASers are very quick to judge NON OSASers as unsaved because we don't swallow OSAS!
Ferris Bueller
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So what do you say is how one knows he has the believing defined in scripture?
Ferris Bueller
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Yes, and it's quite annoying.
It has degraded in the church to the point where being saved by faith means believing that you can't lose your salvation. That is not the gospel message.
I think the bottom line is, they think if you can lose your salvation then you can only think that salvation is by works. As if that's the only other option there is to Osas.
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