Had Judas lost his salvation?
or is he now sitting at the right side of Jesus??
Your 'God's Eternal Assurance' does not make sense!
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Had Judas lost his salvation?
or is he now sitting at the right side of Jesus??
Your 'God's Eternal Assurance' does not make sense!
Matthew 22 The Parable of the Wedding Banquet teaches the otherwise:
Then he sent some more servants and said, ‘Tell those who have been invited that I have prepared my dinner: My oxen and fattened cattle have been butchered, and everything is ready. Come to the wedding banquet.’.......,,
But when the king came in to see the guests, he noticed a man there who was not wearing wedding clothes. 12 He asked, ‘How did you get in here without wedding clothes, friend?’ The man was speechless.
13 “Then the king told the attendants, ‘Tie him hand and foot, and throw him outside, into the darkness, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’
One has to prepare himself to join the wedding feast even though invited.
The right in the feast is not foreever, assured, guaranteed.
God's Eternal Assurance
God's Eternal Life Insurance is wrong teaching!
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Precious friend, a prayerful and Careful reading of "What Saith The Scriptures" Reveals
Judas Never believed!:
"But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus Knew from the beginning
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“Jesus Answered them, Have not I chosen you twelve, and one of you is a devil?”
Thus, God's Eternal Assurance Makes Perfect Sense! Amen!!becasue the eternal assurance hit a rock with Judas case, so you made up such statement: Judas never believed from the beginning !
In Matthew 10:1–8, Jesus calls His twelve disciples—including Judas Iscariot gives them authority over unclean spirits, and sends them out to preach that the kingdom of heaven is at hand, heal the sick, raise the dead, and cast out demons.
It is highly inconsistent to argue that someone who performed miracles, preached the Gospel, and was explicitly sent out by Jesus as an accredited ambassador of the Kingdom was an unregenerate 'devil' or unbeliever the entire time.
John 12:6 notes that Judas had the money bag and used to take what was put into it. Furthermore, during the Last Supper, when Jesus says one of them will betray Him, the other disciples do not point a finger at Judas and say, "Well, obviously him, he never believed." Instead, they are deeply confused and ask individually, "Lord, is it I?" (Matthew 26:22). This suggests he was viewed as a peer in faith, not an obvious outsider or unbeliever walking among them.
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Still Makes Perfect-God-Sense Because Scripture Further Declares The Following:
Christ Has Always "Known those That Are His," According To Rock-Solid Truth:
“Nevertheless The Foundation of God Standeth Sure, Having This Seal,
The Lord Knoweth them that are His. And, Let every one that nameth The
Name of Christ depart from iniquity.” (2 Timothy 2:19 AV)
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"According As He Hath Chosen us In Him before the foundation of the
world, that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love:"
(Ephesians 1:4 AV)
And, More Rock-Solid Truth Is When Three Books At Final Judgment Are Opened, we find That:
God Has Never Known "those that are NOT His", even though they "obeyed His Commandments"?:
"Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven;
but he that doeth the will of My Father which is in heaven. Many will say to Me in that
day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Thy Name? and in Thy Name have cast out devils?
and in Thy Name done many wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I Never Knew you: Depart from Me, ye that work iniquity."
Why? They, Also With Judas, Never believed !:
"...without faith it is impossible to please Him [ God! ]
(Hebrews 11:6 AV) = Rock-Solid TRUTH, eh?
Thus, there is no such "made-up" stuff as "Christ has always known believers that He has Never Known, eh?
Grace, Peace, Mercy, And Love! Amen!
There will always be much debate over this, but I agree with you, beechan.
Yes, we cannot really say whether Judas was an unregenerate 'devil' or unbeliever, either before or after he betrayed Jesus. We really have nothing given to us anywhere in the Bible to say one way or the other about whether he was a believer or not. Even in John 6:64 or John 6:70. And like you say, he was chosen and called by Jesus, just like the other twelve... Matthias was eventually chosen to replace Judas... disciples/apostles. It's a valid point that there is no explicit repentance by Judas, but this is the case with several characters in the Bible, and there's also nothing that suggests he was not penitant. By the same token, there is never any explicit repentance made by Peter for denying Jesus. But Jesus says to all of them in John 15:16 ~ and Judas was present ~ "You did not choose me, but I chose you and appointed you that you should go and bear fruit and that your fruit should abide."
Again, this has been and will remain a debatable topic, and to be honest I have struggled with it within myself, but yes, I think Judas will be standing with us on Jesus's right in the final Judgment. <smile> But, you know, whether I am or anyone else is right or wrong about that doesn't really matter, does it? <smile>
Grace and peace to all.
though I am not all agree with you. It is good to see you expressed your opinions and contributed to the thread.
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