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I was baptized because I didnt know any better, and If anyone chooses to, who are we to with hold them but that has nothing to do with my or anyone else's salvation. You insist on adding to grace, How do teh religious do it, It is by grace we are saved, it is a gift, as long as you, get baptized, join our church, keep the sabath, and the law, beat your flesh into obedience, than if you are really good, we might let Jesus save you, but not if we can help it...
They where saved because of the infilling of the Holy Spirit not because of the baptism.
Hello @Truther,
I am sorry that you chose to dismiss the content of reply #243. It is obvious to me now, that I should have made reply #229, my last. May the Lord guide you into all truth as you wait on Him.
By the way, the church did not begin at Pentecost.
In Christ Jesus
Chris
Being baptized into the name of Jesus (immersed in his name) has nothing to do with water. Immersion in water will not change your heart or get you to a better understanding of who Jesus was or now is.
Did the Church begin with John the Baptist in the wilderness, when Peter received the keys in Matt 16 or Romans 10:9(something like that)?Hello @Truther,
I am sorry that you chose to dismiss the content of reply #243. It is obvious to me now, that I should have made reply #229, my last. May the Lord guide you into all truth as you wait on Him.
By the way, the church did not begin at Pentecost.
In Christ Jesus
Chris
If not, please explain the actual account, when and where it began.
Thanks.
You have it backwards.
Grace leads you to remission of sins per Acts 2:38, then Grace has/will save(d) you.
Grace does not debunk the command of Peter at Pentecost.
Modern theology does.
They did not have the Holy Ghost, they were only baptized. Read it.
The same baptism word was used in the same sentence adding them to the Church.
They were buried with Christ by baptism, qualifying them as "buried with" Christ.
This is why folks were immediately baptized in the book of Acts.
Does modern theology advocate immediate baptism?
If not, why not?
Are you saying that this?.....
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Is really saying this?.....
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be SPIRIT baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.(Receive the Holy Ghost and you shall receive the Holy Ghost?)
So this is debunked?...
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
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Where on earth did you come up with that?
God...who is the One that matters...has proved otherwise....
I believe, last time I checked, it was He who set the rules, not you!
Yes, He set the rules at Pentecost....
Acts 2:37-38 King James Version (KJV)
37 Now when they heard this, they were pricked in their heart, and said unto Peter and to the rest of the apostles, Men and brethren, what shall we do?
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
The rule has never changed with our God, only theologians.
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If you don't emphasis like you have, but read it as a sentence.. the whole verse is about BELIEVING , or not BELIEVING ......it's not about baptizing!!
It is you who have emphasized that to fit your false legalistic doctrine..
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.
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That is your choice ...just remember what Jesus said to the Pharisees, the legalists in His day...
That depends on wheter he was right or not.
Lets repeat this whole silly saga again.
Act 1:4 And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.
Act 1:5 For John truly baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost not many days hence.
So here Jesus is telling them there is a change coming, and again,
Act 11:15 And as I began to speak, the Holy Ghost fell on them, as on us at the beginning.
Act 11:16 Then remembered I the word of the Lord, how that he said, John indeed baptized with water; but ye shall be baptized with the Holy Ghost.
Act 11:17 Forasmuch then as God gave them the like gift as he did unto us, who believed on the Lord Jesus Christ; what was I, that I could withstand God?
Baptism in not or ever was a requirement for salvation, because before Christ death no man could be saved, baptized or not, after His resurrection, all who "believe" will be saved, end of story.
And I dont have to shout...
I’m saying if you repent and get to know (immerse yourself in) Jesus, you will receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. I mean, what good is water if you don’t know Him? Unless you are wanting a bath.
I doubt if Peter would appreciate your redefining of his words per Acts 2:38.
I can see someone getting away with misrepresenting Trumps phone call, but not Peter’s words answering the 3000 at Pentecost.
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