After I was throwing scripture at these people saying that there was no pre-trib rapture, one of them came up with this post:
W is still stuck at the last trump:"It's still the last trump. It will happen after the tribulation. We'll be changed into our immortal bodies and we will reign with Christ in His millennial kingdom."Which "last trump? If it is the one recorded in Revelation, the 7th, this is a judgment trumpet [3rd woe] and there is no resurrection mentioned in chapters 10 and 11. This trumpet will blow before the tribulation is over.If it is the trump in Matthew 24:29 you need to study and learn that this action by the Lord is a gathering of mortals who survive the tribulation period .... the "elect" of national Israel first. This gathering is not a resurrection. You must also read and fully understand Matthew 25:31-45. Note that the Lord refers to the "elect" of national Israel as His "brethren" when evaluating the gathered gentiles. Only believers will be admitted to His kingdom. The mortal survivors of the nations will be separated for enterence into the Lord's millennial kingdom ..... as mortals. This gathering is not a resurrection. If it were then the Lord would be separating the immortal church and this makes no sense.If, as you think, the trumpet in Matthew 24:29 is a general resurrection of all believers after the tribulation period this can not be. If true, there would be no surviving believers to inhabit and populate [reproduce] the Lord's millennial kingdom. You must also understand Revelation 20 correctly. The immortals of the church will rule with the Lord over nations of mortals for 1,000 years. The purpose for imprisioning satan in the abyss for the 1,000 years is to prevent him from deceiving the nations. Mortals can be deceived ..... immortals cannot.The conflict over the Lord's promise to keep living believers from His coming judgment is one of great significance and many are being deceived by believing that He will not do this. This deception is being induced by satan through a number of false teachers and their followers today and this behavior is going to increase. Those who fall for this diversion will enter the tribulation period and will be exposed to exceptionally vexing conditions including the delusions that satan will bring to the earth.I would suggest that you extend your study of the Lord's coming millennial kingdom on the earth to include all passages of scripture that describe it. Many of these are in the visions of the O.T. prophets. You also need to discover that His millennial kingdom which will last for 1,000 years is different than the next which will be an eternal kingdom of nothing but immortals and a new earth and heavens as described in Revelation 21. The Lord will destroy this present earth just after His millennial kingdom for 1,000 years is over. Read the sequence of events in Revelation 19, 20, 21.
I honestly don't know how to respond to this. What are your guy's opinions?
W is still stuck at the last trump:"It's still the last trump. It will happen after the tribulation. We'll be changed into our immortal bodies and we will reign with Christ in His millennial kingdom."Which "last trump? If it is the one recorded in Revelation, the 7th, this is a judgment trumpet [3rd woe] and there is no resurrection mentioned in chapters 10 and 11. This trumpet will blow before the tribulation is over.If it is the trump in Matthew 24:29 you need to study and learn that this action by the Lord is a gathering of mortals who survive the tribulation period .... the "elect" of national Israel first. This gathering is not a resurrection. You must also read and fully understand Matthew 25:31-45. Note that the Lord refers to the "elect" of national Israel as His "brethren" when evaluating the gathered gentiles. Only believers will be admitted to His kingdom. The mortal survivors of the nations will be separated for enterence into the Lord's millennial kingdom ..... as mortals. This gathering is not a resurrection. If it were then the Lord would be separating the immortal church and this makes no sense.If, as you think, the trumpet in Matthew 24:29 is a general resurrection of all believers after the tribulation period this can not be. If true, there would be no surviving believers to inhabit and populate [reproduce] the Lord's millennial kingdom. You must also understand Revelation 20 correctly. The immortals of the church will rule with the Lord over nations of mortals for 1,000 years. The purpose for imprisioning satan in the abyss for the 1,000 years is to prevent him from deceiving the nations. Mortals can be deceived ..... immortals cannot.The conflict over the Lord's promise to keep living believers from His coming judgment is one of great significance and many are being deceived by believing that He will not do this. This deception is being induced by satan through a number of false teachers and their followers today and this behavior is going to increase. Those who fall for this diversion will enter the tribulation period and will be exposed to exceptionally vexing conditions including the delusions that satan will bring to the earth.I would suggest that you extend your study of the Lord's coming millennial kingdom on the earth to include all passages of scripture that describe it. Many of these are in the visions of the O.T. prophets. You also need to discover that His millennial kingdom which will last for 1,000 years is different than the next which will be an eternal kingdom of nothing but immortals and a new earth and heavens as described in Revelation 21. The Lord will destroy this present earth just after His millennial kingdom for 1,000 years is over. Read the sequence of events in Revelation 19, 20, 21.
I honestly don't know how to respond to this. What are your guy's opinions?