Only 2 Comings by Lord Jesus, Not 3

[solway]

(Everything is Resolved) (god's point of action, just introducing covid-19 resolves the law, how that develops and when, into rabies, into, infertility, into degeneration/death...........humanity will pass away foolish so that isn't that important) (if we are fortunate, it may take 10 years to develop into rabies, the primary goal is to have humanity die in foolishness in prayer as a result of its accusation against god, not to perform a work of anykind) (that is the magnitude of sickness you have in view) (Back to Topic)

(Adding to the Gospel) (dead flesh/dirth)

God used the jewish people specifically for the first two of daniel's four prophecy statements, to carry the written law. That began with Moses, and that ended with Jesus's Crucifixion..............That is Daniel 9:24-25...........and the different between those Week Measurements ======"One Week or Jubilee"======This Missing Jubilee is also Missing in Ezekiel 4:5-6 Measurement, IT IS NOT COUNTED, this "GAP", is not counted and its not a measurement that carries on to the New Testament with Daniels other Two Statements.

(Removing from the Gospel) (dead flesh/dirth)

God removed the Jewish People from the Book of Life, and they were also not to carry the written law anymore.....the Messiah is CUTOFF for Daniel's Last two statements, Daniel 9:26-27 for the New Testament. (Ezekiel 4:5-6 = 62 Weeks or 430 Years@approximately, NOT COUNTED.........so this is until the end of time technically).

@THE Center of the Jewish Population in New York City, we see once again their suicide pleasure world wide, surrounding the turin shroud of jesus........@Jesus is CUTOFF NOT FOR HIMSELF @THE NEW TESTAMENT.

Finally (and remember the Jewish people their population clusters, in terms of suicide pleasure doubles the meaning, like you see today in isreal, in suicide pleasure)

That is the "Seven Year Trinity"...............God talks about the ROTTING OF THE BODY, THE ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION,@@@@@@@@@@ marked by the Jewish Population's global suicide pleasure, weather that is the jewish population in new york city or the jewish population in isreal, their major groupings in suicide pleasure.
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(this is reality, and the majority of colleges and universities will teach that daniel's prophecy has no relation to the jewish people, that is true for colleges and universities in the usa and europe principally, NO WHERE ELSE!!! (LOL)

(Historically)

(Because Daniel's Prophecy talks about language after the Messiah is Cut off and mentions Jesus making a sacrifice ("not for himself"), they assume that Jesus is going to be crucified again as payment for sin/suicide pleasure, when that was not even the original description. Instead....the first act of daniel's new testament statements is a global controvery involving the jews an the second one also, that ends in RABIES, or etc. so very soon)

(when we see them pass away, only then, these are not intelligent people, and neither are their colleges or universities, or the minorities used in pleasure with them or in hurting me, and in taking their lives, that is good, but things will begin to change very soon) (if we are lucky, humanity will pleasure itself in a blind death without nothing else taking place, so we'll have to see)

(the 40 year mark, god's propensity to react, is resolved already, and technically this year, removes the controversy.............humanity will stay in this state of suffering until it is dead, believing that jesus is going to come and make payment for their sin of dead flesh, all the while, offering their lives to minorities in their pleasure until humanity is deceased, this is good.........humanity is a sin offering for god's discernment, not used as a witness or generationally, and.........they should my dead body in their pleasure too, to complete their suicide law, or moses, whoever he is, and if not, then, everything as it is until humanity is dead like right now is the goal)

 

[Oseas]

~~~~~~~~~~~COUNTDOWN - LAST DECADE - 2020 - 2030~~~~~~~~~~

May 18-2021 is the HUNDREDTH AND THIRTIETH EIGHTEETH DAY of the LAST DECADE of the CURRENT Devil's world.

The LAST WEEK - Daniel 9:v.27 - week of the Abomination of Desolation - it is within of this LAST
DECADE, so this satanic event is at door.

Be careful or get ready

In Christ JESUS, KING of kings(kings made by Him) and LORD of lords


Strive to enter in at the strait gate: for many, I say unto you, will seek to enter in, and shall not be able. When once the master of the house is risen up, and shut to the door,... Luke 13:v.24-25 (This event is invisible and happens automatically over the years that follow)

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See, this current decade is the last decade of the current Devil's world with all its structures, be political, be religious, social, economic, military, technological, and so on.

And the earth also and the works that are therein shall be DISSOLVED and burned up, in fulfillment the prophetic message of Peter, the Apostle, in his 2nd epistle chapter 3:v.7-13:

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be DISSOLVED, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the Day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be DISSOLVED, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat.

The door of salvation has started to close.

The current plague poured upon the planet as it is expressed in the Word of GOD- the Word is GOD - it is already being executed according the wrath of GOD - GOD will destroy those which destroy the earth - Revelation 11:v.18 - the Word is GOD.

Nevertheless when the Son of man comes, shall he find faith on the earth? Luke 18:v.8


Luke 17:v. 26 to 33

26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.

27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.

28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; (according the biblical text above the sodomites do not married wives, widespread prostitution.

29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.

30 Even thus shall it be in the Day (the Lord's Day, the seventh and last Day, or seventh and last millennium) when the Son of man is revealed.

32 Remember Lot's wife.

33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it.

2 Peter 3 - Peter Apostle prophesied

7 But the heavens (1st and 2nd heavens -the OT and NT- and the earth (the clay, the dry land, carnal Israel of Agar), which are now, by the same Word are kept in store, reserved unto FIRE against the Day of Judgment and perdition of ungodly men.

11 Seeing then that all these things shall be DISSOLVED, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,

12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the Day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be DISSOLVED, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?

13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.


Nevertheless when the Son of man cometh, shall he find faith on the earth? - Luke 18:v.8

There shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

 

[Oseas]

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~PSALMS 90:V.11-13 ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

11 Who knoweth the power of thine anger? even according to thy fear, so is thy wrath.

12 So teach us to number our days, that we may apply our hearts unto wisdom.

13 Return, O Lord, how long? and let it repent thee concerning thy servants.

14 O satisfy us early with thy mercy; that we may rejoice and be glad all our days.

15 Make us glad according to the days wherein thou hast afflicted us, and the years wherein we have seen evil.

16 Let thy work appear unto thy servants, and thy glory unto their children.

17 And let the beauty of the Lord our God be upon us: and establish thou the work of our hands upon us; yea, the work of our hands establish thou it.

 

[solway]

NUMBERS 13:21 So they went up, and searched the land from the wilderness of Zin unto Rehob, as men come to Hamath.
NUMBERS 13:22 And they ascended by the south, and came unto Hebron; where Ahiman, Sheshai, and Talmai, the children of Anak, [were]. (Now Hebron was built seven years before Zoan in Egypt.)
I KINGS 8:65 And at that time Solomon held a feast, and all Israel with him, a great congregation, from the entering in of Hamath unto the river of Egypt, before the LORD our God, seven days and seven days, [even] fourteen days.
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MATTHEW 1:17 So all the generations from Abraham to David [are] fourteen generations; and from David until the carrying away into Babylon [are] fourteen generations; and from the carrying away into Babylon unto Christ [are] fourteen generations.

144,000 of Abraham (62 Weeks) = Rev. 14:1
144,000 of David (62 Weeks) = Rev. 17:4
144,000 of Moses (62 Weeks) = NOT COUNTED (two witnesses) Rev. 15:3
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(Daniel's Prophecy Divisions)

Daniel 9:24 = 62 Weeks = Acts 13:20-23 (counted first temple)
Daniel 9:25 = 62 Weeks = Exodus 12:40 (counted, Jesus/Joseph, written word)
Daniel 9:26 = 62 Weeks = Ezekiel 4:5-6, NOT COUNTED (messiah cut off)

(God specifically does not count, "a second coming of jesus, in terms of a personality, or a literal jesus, or a resurrection or a crucifixion"..............God is not making payment for sin, instead, God allows sin to come forth, death flesh in man's suicide pleasure to pollute itself until god reveals the "ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION" around the final week of daniel) (God voiced the measurement was invalid, period, so our attention is on the "ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION" the final "SEVEN YEAR TRINITY", and the rotting of the bodies) (Remember Mankind does not have "A WILL TO LIVE", and, its "SUICIDE PLEASURE IN DEAD FLESH ONLY" (so it does not answer god at all)

Daniel 9:27 = "Seven Year Trinity" = God is clear what this is, is God's contention with Satan's Suicide Pleasure in Rotting the Bodies, they called this in times past the "barley harvest" (2 Samuel 21:9-13.........Cursed is Everyone that Hangs from a Tree..........)

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DEUTERONOMY 21:23 His body shall not remain all night upon the tree, but thou shalt in any wise bury him that day; (for he that is hanged [is] accursed of God that thy land be not defiled, which the LORD thy God giveth thee [for] an inheritance.

(God does not use Jesus to make payment for sin in the DEAD FLESH ACCUSATION OF MAN'S GENERATIONAL SIN, ITS GENETIC LINES (REMOVED TRIBES).........THEREFORE.............THE "GAP" JUBILEE, BETWEEN DANIEL 9:24-25 IS NOT COUNTED! (THAT MISSING WEEK IS NOT COUNTED)

(to remove the controversy God said clearly in Ezekiel 4:5-6 that 62 Weeks when the Messiah is Cutoff IS NOT COUNTED)

(There is no such thing, as a "69th Week to the Final 70th Week that is at the End of Time, when Jesus Returns THAT IS NOT COUNTED)

(Everything is Resolved Already) (God set things into motion with Covid-19, the argument is probably not finished) (God may not specifically number anything more then setting the argument into motion) (THAT IS THE LAW)

 

[Oseas]

Revelation 2:v.25 to 28

25 But that which ye have already hold fast till I come.

26 And he that overcometh, and keepeth my works unto the end(Matt.28:v.20), to him will I give power over the nations:

27 And he shall rule them with a rod of iron; as the vessels of a potter shall they be broken to shivers: even as I received of my Father.

28 And I will give him the morning star.

29 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.


Revelation 11:v.15 to 18

15 - The kingdoms OF THIS WORLD are become the kingdoms of our Lord, and of His Christ; and He shall reign for ever and ever.

16 And the four and twenty elders, which sat before God on their seats, fell upon their faces, and worshipped God,

17 Saying, We give thee thanks, O Lord God Almighty, which art, and wast, and art to come; because thou hast taken to thee thy great power, and hast reigned.

18 And the nations were(will be) angry, and thy wrath(God's wrath) is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be Judged, and that thou should give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

In Christ JESUS, KING of kings(kings made by Him) and LORD of lords

 

[solway]

(Jesus said himself, there would not be a second coming) (but instead Jesus said he would pour our water or the spirit in the last days)

JOHN 16:19 Now Jesus knew that they were desirous to ask him, and said unto them, Do ye enquire among yourselves of that I said, A little while, and ye shall not see me: and again, a little while, and ye shall see me?
JOHN 16:20 Verily, verily, I say unto you, That ye shall weep and lament, but the world shall rejoice: and ye shall be sorrowful, but your sorrow shall be turned into joy.
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Daniel 9:24 = Acts 13:20-23......And we Did See Jesus @ that time!
Daniel 9:26 = Ezekiel 4:5-6.......And we DO NOT SEE JESUS

There is no Second Coming of Jesus............

We said that christians will die in sin, believing that Jesus Christ is going to return, but Jesus will not return, they will spend the last of their days cursing God in suicide pleasure just like the rest of the world.............Not only did Jesus said that, the law of the gospel provides us language to that effect. (what we've said is both valid and true).

Jesus Answer about What would Happen, after Answering NO to a Second Coming

JOHN 16:7 Nevertheless I tell you the truth; It is expedient for you that I go away: for if I go not away, the Comforter will not come unto you; but if I depart, I will send him unto you.
JOHN 16:8 And when he is come, he will reprove the world of sin, and of righteousness, and of judgment:

What Jesus said, very simply has not taken place! God has not poured out the "ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION".................what we've said legally, was that based on God's measurements, the release of "Covid-19", satisfied God's Point of Action..............developments in the area of "dead flesh/dirth/1000 Year Kingdom", may not be what God had in view when providing a measurement of Daniel's Final Week, which we believe is tied to "Covid-19"............at any moment that argument can evolve into something more or it may not.

Blasphemy has, no purpose, in any of the conclusion that were presented, the 40 Year Mark to complete all the "Seven Year Trinity Measurements" is this year, that 40 Year Mark, is common in the gospel. God doesn't have to do something immediate with "covid-19" or the "abomination of desolation"................God has already set that argument into motion, that satisfies the law.
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1. Its not God's Job to resolve the "dead flesh accusation with humanity"
2. Its not the son of man's Job to resolve that
3. Its not the, faithful community or the christian communities job to resolve that
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God Prophecy of Daniel, is, FINISHED considering God's Point of Action has taken place in the "Seven Year Trinity" and that is covid-19...............anything else is not important, weather a "GAP" in a measurement was used or not..........God specifically Said NO, in ezekiel to daniel's "gap of one week" in the old testament figures of his first two statements.
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If this is how humanity dies, in foolishness, without a dramatic evolution in covid-19..........then that is gain for God, the son of man, and the christian community..................Jesus talked about a Spiritual Temple, a Spiritual Rule over Mankind in the last days, and, that is what we are seeing...............people are misreading the gospel, more and more, but when a trajedy happens, when death is no longer escapable in society, we will see those positions disappear.
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(Evolution of Covid-19.............Jesus Statement(s))

MATTHEW 24:19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days!
MATTHEW 24:20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day:
MATTHEW 24:21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
MATTHEW 24:22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
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("1290+1335" of Daniel is for the Son of Man an his Soulmate, pyramid builder's covenant, and that is stated in revelation 11 (missing flight 370)...........Approximately 2021, so that is finished.............God talks about the "shortening of the day" or a change in the day cycle, corresponding to the "1000 Year Kingdom of the Gentiles/Elect")

What God talks about, highlighted in Red is a Panedmic! So this is already set into motion, by the time the "Seven Year Trinity is Finished", that identifies with the Son of Man, specifically.

Things are set into motion, that is God's Answer and the Law...............there is more then enough sin for humanity to pop that in to an evolved state,,,,,,,,,,,,what that means is, God gives satan the illusion in its suicide pleasure, that they are god, and it was their actions only, or their sin only, this is how god will play his card.

(Everything is to be Resolved Soon) (You need to Understand, God has a Point of Action, and the Jewish People pictured by the "Abomination of Desolation/dead flesh/dirth.........identify with a progression...........what you see today in this conflict is apart of that)

 

[ScottA]

God's Word teaches that Lord Jesus comes 2 times to this earth. It was first written of in the Old Testament prophets...

Christ's 1st coming to die on the cross:
Zech 9:9
9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.

That was declared at Jesus' 1st coming per Matthew 21:1-9.


Christ's 2nd coming with Power to Rule over all:
Zech 9:10
10 And I will cut off the chariot from Ephraim, and the horse from Jerusalem, and the battle bow shall be cut off: and he shall speak peace unto the heathen: and his dominion shall be from sea even to sea, and from river even to the ends of the earth.
KJV

The events to pay attention to in this 10th verse are, the cutting off of the chariot and horse from Jerusalem which represents battle. And the battle bow being cut off, meaning the end of all that strife in the world. And His dominion rule from sea to sea, etc., which is put for Christ's future reign over all nations with "a rod of iron" (Revelation 12:5; Psalms 2).

That is also what The New Testament prophecies show about our Lord Jesus' 2 times of coming. His 1st coming was to be meek as the Lamb slain to offer us forgiveness of sins. And His 2nd coming, which is still future, will be to take over all the kingdoms of this world on the 7th Trumpet (Revelation 11:15).


If you'll notice, there is no 3rd coming written of. Only 2:

Heb 9:28
28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for Him shall He appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
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Pre-tribulationalism wrongly teaches there are 3 comings by Christ. The 1st was His coming to die on the cross. The 2nd time, which they try to be sneaky and say it really isn't a 2nd time, is alleged to be prior to the "great tribulation" to gather the Church, originally what John Darby in 1830's Great Britain said was a "secret" coming. And then they teach the 2nd coming is after the tribulation returning with Jesus to do battle, which that actually is a 3rd one in their false teaching.

1st coming - Christ died on the cross for the remission of sins for those who believe.
2nd coming - to gather His Church and do battle, beginning His reign over all.

That's all that is written of in God's Word, just 2 times, just like the above Hebrews 9:28 says "the second time". The Pre-trib Rapture school can't even get that verse right, as they slice that verse up and only say, "unto them that look for Him", and leave off that "second time". Why would they do that?

They do it because they are preaching a false doctrine from men that is leaven 'added' to God's Word. Their pre-trib rapture idea simply is not written. So chop and slice Scripture is the order of their day.

Direct Scripture is available directly from our Lord Jesus as to the timing of His return to gather His Church. It is written in Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27 where He shows His return and gathering of the saints is AFTER... the tribulation. One cannot get any more straightforward than that.

God allows men's leaven false doctrines to deceive IF... the believer allows theirself to be deceived. It's no big mystery, as God allowed false ones to creep in among Israel to try His people with. He does this to test YOU, to see if you will listen to Him in His Word, or to men's doctrines.

It's even simpler than that... Paul eluded to it in this way:

"the spiritual is not first, but the natural, and afterward the spiritual." 1 Corinthians 15:46

Which, by the way was "quickly" after his ascension.
Matthew 26:32
"But after I have been raised, I will go before you to Galilee (to the nations).”
Revelation 22:7
“Behold, I am coming quickly! Blessed is he who keeps the words of the prophecy of this book.”

...The second coming of Christ is in the spirit.

 

[solway]

Christ's 2nd coming with Power to Rule over all:
Zech 9:10
10 And I will cut off the chariot from Ephraim, and the horse from Jerusalem, and the battle bow shall be cut off: and he shall speak peace unto the heathen: and his dominion shall be from sea even to sea, and from river even to the ends of the earth.
KJV

The events to pay attention to in this 10th verse are, the cutting off of the chariot and horse from Jerusalem which represents battle. And the battle bow being cut off, meaning the end of all that strife in the world. And His dominion rule from sea to sea, etc., which is put for Christ's future reign over all nations with "a rod of iron" (Revelation 12:5; Psalms 2).
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If you'll notice, there is no 3rd coming written of. Only 2:
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EPHESIANS 2:2 Wherein in time past ye walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit that now worketh in the children of disobedience:
EPHESIANS 2:3 Among whom also we all had our conversation in times past in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind; and were by nature the children of wrath, even as others.

(Jesus is not talking about making payment for sin, when he said, I will send the comforter to judge the whole world........which not has happened........Jesus calls himself the "Prince of the Power of the Air" (rod of iron or the 1000 Year Kingdom)) (Clearly this event specifically has not happened..........what has happened was "covid-19" God has set things into motion) (153 Days after God resolves the Son of Man's Testimony, @@@@@@ 1290+1335 days from missing flight 370,,,,,,,,,then,,,,,,,,@,,,,,,,,that time,,,,,,,,,we'll have to see soon, but God clearly, was focused on "setting things into motion")
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(Jesus had no Wives, Planted no Wells, Planted no Trees, and Had no Kingship)
Daniel Says in the New Testament the Messiah is CUTOFF (dan.9:26)
Daniel Says in the New Testament the Messiah is CUTOFF (a second time, dan.9:27))

Jesus Had no Kingship = Jerusalem Independance
Jesus Had no Kingship = Isreal's Gathering of the Middle East Under their authority (gather canaan)

People read into the material, because, the Jewish People had favor with God for the first two divisions of daniel, but the are not valued by God in the last two divisions of daniel's prophecy.

In this information set.................then the "GAP FIGURES" for example.............if the Jewish people are the "GAP" THAT GOD REMOVED from daniels first two divisions (that one week from the full 70 and the 69)...................THEN, that 62 Weeks of Daniel 9:26 that GOD REMOVED ALSO
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Independance of Isreal 1948 + 62 years = 2017
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a "GAP" figure like "1260", or "1290", or "1335" that brings us to 2021.

(two "GAP" figures like "62 Weeks GOD REMOVED", and one or half of one of the final "GAP" figures, because it is a GAP........this marks the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION AND JERUSALEM'S WORLD WIDE WAR DECLARATI0N)

1. the "62 Week Gap" counted in years
2. the "Week Gap" between daniel 9:24-25

Together these gaps EQUAL the EVOLUTION OF COVID-19..............which is probably very soon..............however..............God puts emphasis on ONLY, the action, that is very clear in revelation's language for the gentiles that are blinded....................Everything will be resolved Soon.

 

[ScottA]

(Jesus is not talking about making payment for sin, when he said, I will send the comforter to judge the whole world........which not has happened........Jesus calls himself the "Prince of the Power of the Air" (rod of iron or the 1000 Year Kingdom)) (Clearly this event specifically has not happened..........what has happened was "covid-19" God has set things into motion) (153 Days after God resolves the Son of Man's Testimony, @@@@@@ 1290+1335 days from missing flight 370,,,,,,,,,then,,,,,,,,@,,,,,,,,that time,,,,,,,,,we'll have to see soon, but God clearly, was focused on "setting things into motion")
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Ephesians 2:1-3
"And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others."

That passage does not refer to Jesus, but to the prince and spirit who's attribute is "disobedience", meaning Satan.

 

[solway]

Ephesians 2:1-3
"And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins, in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience, among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others."

That passage does not refer to Jesus, but to the prince and spirit who's attribute is "disobedience", meaning Satan.

(Jesus is called, "Messiah the Prince", in Daniel 9:25 (this measurement was counted)..............in Daniel 9:26, Jesus is called the "Messiah", and the People of the Prince (Messiah) are CUTOFF.......(this measurement was NOT COUNTED, ezekiel 4:5-6)

In Daniel 9:25.......Joseph was introduced corresponding to the Written Law as a picture of Jesus (Messiah the Prince or Joseph)
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In Daniel 9:26.......Jesus is the Fulfillment of Joseph (law's ability to afford equal potential at the end of gospel's program)........this is when the MESSIAH (JESUS) IS CUTOFF.......God reveals the Removed Tribes of Revelation/Dead Flesh Accusation/Dirth.
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Jesus = Messiah the Prince in Both Daniel 9:25 and Daniel 9:26........and Jesus = "Prince of the Power of the Air"
(when Jesus reveals the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION, which God set into motion with Covid-19.........its a controversy for humanity to resolved, not everyone is given a death sentence or pain unto death)
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(For the Jewish People and those Removed Genetic Lines, blasphemy against the holy ghost/holy spirit.........they are the "people of the prince"@Messiah CUTOFF.........for the rest of humanity, Jesus is "Messiah the Prince")

(That is why we said, in daniel's two divisions for the New Testament of Daniel 9:26 and Daniel 9:27, that can be co-related to jerusalem's activities of its war against all nations in the middle east, and its independance, even though, that is not the straight answer, which is, God deliberately denouncing the Second Coming of Jesus in order to reveal the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION/DEAD FLESH/DIRTH NO UNIFIED FIELD EARTH PROPENSITY)
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(Moses Said only a Little about the Prince of the Power of the Air)

Numbers 17:6-10...........Moses said the "token" from the Prince, became, a, "blossum" from the prince........and they began to mummer, but, they died not after they began to mummer, because they put on the appearance of righteous.

(this kind of language, signifies, that they had no "will to live", they had no "will to answer god about dead flesh accusation", and went on to suffer in suicide pleasure, until that issue was not longer a priority)

(Everything will be Resolved Soon) (Covid-19 is "blossuming" like a flower, once that is finished, things will become messy)

 

[ScottA]

(Jesus is called, "Messiah the Prince", in Daniel 9:25 (this measurement was counted)..............in Daniel 9:26, Jesus is called the "Messiah", and the People of the Prince (Messiah) are CUTOFF.......(this measurement was NOT COUNTED, ezekiel 4:5-6)

In Daniel 9:25.......Joseph was introduced corresponding to the Written Law as a picture of Jesus (Messiah the Prince or Joseph)
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In Daniel 9:26.......Jesus is the Fulfillment of Joseph (law's ability to afford equal potential at the end of gospel's program)........this is when the MESSIAH (JESUS) IS CUTOFF.......God reveals the Removed Tribes of Revelation/Dead Flesh Accusation/Dirth.
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Jesus = Messiah the Prince in Both Daniel 9:25 and Daniel 9:26........and Jesus = "Prince of the Power of the Air"
(when Jesus reveals the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION, which God set into motion with Covid-19.........its a controversy for humanity to resolved, not everyone is given a death sentence or pain unto death)
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(For the Jewish People and those Removed Genetic Lines, blasphemy against the holy ghost/holy spirit.........they are the "people of the prince"@Messiah CUTOFF.........for the rest of humanity, Jesus is "Messiah the Prince")

(That is why we said, in daniel's two divisions for the New Testament of Daniel 9:26 and Daniel 9:27, that can be co-related to jerusalem's activities of its war against all nations in the middle east, and its independance, even though, that is not the straight answer, which is, God deliberately denouncing the Second Coming of Jesus in order to reveal the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION/DEAD FLESH/DIRTH NO UNIFIED FIELD EARTH PROPENSITY)
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(Moses Said only a Little about the Prince of the Power of the Air)

Numbers 17:6-10...........Moses said the "token" from the Prince, became, a, "blossum" from the prince........and they began to mummer, but, they died not after they began to mummer, because they put on the appearance of righteous.

(this kind of language, signifies, that they had no "will to live", they had no "will to answer god about dead flesh accusation", and went on to suffer in suicide pleasure, until that issue was not longer a priority)

(Everything will be Resolved Soon) (Covid-19 is "blossuming" like a flower, once that is finished, things will become messy)

There is no scripture that shows Jesus as the "Prince of the Power of the Air."

On the contrary, He is the Prince of Peace. (See also: John 14:30 "I will no longer talk much with you, for the ruler of this world is coming, and he has nothing in Me.")

Perhaps you could make your point without it?

 

[Curtis]

God's Word teaches that Lord Jesus comes 2 times to this earth. It was first written of in the Old Testament prophets...

Christ's 1st coming to die on the cross:
Zech 9:9
9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.

That was declared at Jesus' 1st coming per Matthew 21:1-9.


Christ's 2nd coming with Power to Rule over all:
Zech 9:10
10 And I will cut off the chariot from Ephraim, and the horse from Jerusalem, and the battle bow shall be cut off: and he shall speak peace unto the heathen: and his dominion shall be from sea even to sea, and from river even to the ends of the earth.
KJV

The events to pay attention to in this 10th verse are, the cutting off of the chariot and horse from Jerusalem which represents battle. And the battle bow being cut off, meaning the end of all that strife in the world. And His dominion rule from sea to sea, etc., which is put for Christ's future reign over all nations with "a rod of iron" (Revelation 12:5; Psalms 2).

That is also what The New Testament prophecies show about our Lord Jesus' 2 times of coming. His 1st coming was to be meek as the Lamb slain to offer us forgiveness of sins. And His 2nd coming, which is still future, will be to take over all the kingdoms of this world on the 7th Trumpet (Revelation 11:15).


If you'll notice, there is no 3rd coming written of. Only 2:

Heb 9:28
28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for Him shall He appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
KJV

Pre-tribulationalism wrongly teaches there are 3 comings by Christ. The 1st was His coming to die on the cross. The 2nd time, which they try to be sneaky and say it really isn't a 2nd time, is alleged to be prior to the "great tribulation" to gather the Church, originally what John Darby in 1830's Great Britain said was a "secret" coming. And then they teach the 2nd coming is after the tribulation returning with Jesus to do battle, which that actually is a 3rd one in their false teaching.

1st coming - Christ died on the cross for the remission of sins for those who believe.
2nd coming - to gather His Church and do battle, beginning His reign over all.

That's all that is written of in God's Word, just 2 times, just like the above Hebrews 9:28 says "the second time". The Pre-trib Rapture school can't even get that verse right, as they slice that verse up and only say, "unto them that look for Him", and leave off that "second time". Why would they do that?

They do it because they are preaching a false doctrine from men that is leaven 'added' to God's Word. Their pre-trib rapture idea simply is not written. So chop and slice Scripture is the order of their day.

Direct Scripture is available directly from our Lord Jesus as to the timing of His return to gather His Church. It is written in Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27 where He shows His return and gathering of the saints is AFTER... the tribulation. One cannot get any more straightforward than that.

God allows men's leaven false doctrines to deceive IF... the believer allows theirself to be deceived. It's no big mystery, as God allowed false ones to creep in among Israel to try His people with. He does this to test YOU, to see if you will listen to Him in His Word, or to men's doctrines.

I highly suspect the rapture and second coming occurs simultaneously, but the pre tribbers claim the rapture isn’t the return of Jesus to the earth, that He stays in the air, raptures the believers and takes them back to heaven with Him, and therefore isn’t a third coming.

 

[Keraz]

I highly suspect the rapture and second coming occurs simultaneously,

Why don't you use scripture? Matthew 24:30-31 and 1 Thessalonians 4:17 both say how Jesus will gather His own people to Him when He Returns.
That 'harparzo' can be called a 'rapture', but it isn't to heaven, just to where Jesus will be; in earthly Jerusalem. Zechariah 14:3

No scripture says that people will live in heaven, that idea is a false teaching. After the Millennium God and therefore heaven comes to the earth to dwell with mankind here, Revelation 21:1-7

 

[Curtis]

What people need to realize, is that many prophesies; those about the terrible Day of the Lord's fiery wrath, often say: the Lord comes in His fiery wrath, or similar. Like Isaiah 66:15 for instance.
But we know He does not actually 'come or appear' at that time, other prophesies about the Day, say: He will send fire...Amos 1, The Lord is in heaven raining down fire....Psalms 11:4-6 The Day comes, burning like a furnace... Malachi 4:1

This worldwide disaster by fire from the sun, Isaiah 30:26, Psalms 50:1-3, will be the Sixth Seal event, that will be triggered by an attack upon Israel by an Islamic confederation. Psalms 83.

When Jesus does Return in His glory, it is not in Judgment by fire, He will merely destroy the armies at Armageddon by the Sword of His Word. The carcasses are not burned up, as the wild birds and beasts can feast on them.

Matthew 25:1 gives the account of Jesus’ wedding supper, and in verse 13 let’s us know that His wedding includes His second coming.


That establishes that His return includes the wedding supper.


Revelation 19:6 is also about the wedding supper, followed immediately by His return in verse 11, wherein He judges and makes war and He does this:


Rev 19:15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.


He uses the sword from the above text to:


Rev 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.


Thus at His second coming, He makes war, and brings a sword, brings God’s fierceness and wrath, and smites the nations.


In 2Thessalonians 1:7-10

Under the chapter titled ‘The Judgment at Christ's Coming’ Jesus returns with flaming fire, and takes vengeance on evil doers.


In the next chapter - unless you believe Paul jumps topics - he equates the day of the Lord with the second coming of Jesus, (in 2Thessalonians 2:1-2).


The Day of the Lord comes in Zechariah 14:1-2 (as Jerusalem is being attacked and destroyed by armies of many nations) - because Jesus returns in verses 3-5 and ends up destroying those armies.


In Isaiah 13:6 the Day of the Lord comes with destruction from the almighty...


with wrath and fierce anger, destroying sinners vs. 9...


and punishes the world for evil and the wicked for their sins vs. 11...


Jesus does the same things at His second coming that occur in the Day of the Lord, and Zechariah 14 and 2Thessalonians 2 put the second coming of Jesus, and the Day of the Lord together.


Shalom.

 

[Curtis]

Why don't you use scripture? Matthew 24:30-31 and 1 Thessalonians 4:17 both say how Jesus will gather His own people to Him when He Returns.
That 'harparzo' can be called a 'rapture', but it isn't to heaven, just to where Jesus will be; in earthly Jerusalem. Zechariah 14:3

No scripture says that people will live in heaven, that idea is a false teaching. After the Millennium God and therefore heaven comes to the earth to dwell with mankind here, Revelation 21:1-7

First of all, I didn’t say I am a pre tribber, but posted the logic they use to make the rapture not be a third coming to earth,

Secondly, it’s obvious that if I believe the rapture and second coming occur together, that I am not a pre tribber.

Third, revelation 11:15 is Jesus’ second coming to earth, because it says at that moment the kingdoms of the world become His kingdoms, and He will rule them with a rod of iron.

Just before that, Revelation 10:7 says the seventh trumpet is about to sound (the 7th trumpet is the LAST trumpet blown in Revelation), and that the MYSTERY of God is about to be accomplished.

Rev 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

Now go to the rapture passage in 1 Corinthians 15, and you find that the rapture involves both the LAST, 7th, trumpet, and its called a MYSTERY:

1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.


Thus Revelation 11:15 shows that the second coming of Jesus and the rapture occur together.

Shalom.

 

[Timtofly]

I highly suspect the rapture and second coming occurs simultaneously, but the pre tribbers claim the rapture isn’t the return of Jesus to the earth, that He stays in the air, raptures the believers and takes them back to heaven with Him, and therefore isn’t a third coming.

Not me. The Second Coming is the 6th Seal, the church is removed from earth at that time. It is the tribulation, people are confused about. The Lamb and the angels come to collect the final harvest. That is why it is the greatest trouble for Jacob. It is a time of death. It is the end of life as we know it.

 

[Timtofly]

Third, revelation 11:15 is Jesus’ second coming to earth, because it says at that moment the kingdoms of the world become His kingdoms, and He will rule them with a rod of iron.

The harvest happens before the kingdoms are claimed.

 

[Truth7t7]

First of all, I didn’t say I am a pre tribber, but posted the logic they use to make the rapture not be a third coming to earth,

Secondly, it’s obvious that if I believe the rapture and second coming occur together, that I am not a pre tribber.

Third, revelation 11:15 is Jesus’ second coming to earth, because it says at that moment the kingdoms of the world become His kingdoms, and He will rule them with a rod of iron.

Just before that, Revelation 10:7 says the seventh trumpet is about to sound (the 7th trumpet is the LAST trumpet blown in Revelation), and that the MYSTERY of God is about to be accomplished.

Rev 10:7 But in the days of the voice of the seventh angel, when he shall begin to sound, the mystery of God should be finished, as he hath declared to his servants the prophets.

Now go to the rapture passage in 1 Corinthians 15, and you find that the rapture involves both the LAST, 7th, trumpet, and its called a MYSTERY:

1Co 15:51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

1Co 15:52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.


Thus Revelation 11:15 shows that the second coming of Jesus and the rapture occur together.

Shalom.

Yes the church will be resurrected and caught up immediately after the tribulation, at the second coming of Jesus Christ Matthew 24:29-31

The Church will be present on earth to witness the great tribulation and second coming, as Luke teaches below

Luke 21:25-28KJV
25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.

 

[solway]

There is no scripture that shows Jesus as the "Prince of the Power of the Air."

On the contrary, He is the Prince of Peace. (See also: John 14:30 "I will no longer talk much with you, for the ruler of this world is coming, and he has nothing in Me.")

Perhaps you could make your point without it?

matthew 17:1-9...............Jesus said he was the prince of the power of the air.............but Jesus said, after his crucifixion that law would be put into place................we see in, Hebrews 9:16-17............that the death of Jesus was necessary, the death of the testator, in order to assume the postion of the "prince of the power of the air, which was called a "force", in hebrews 9:16-17.

This makes perfect sense, if what Jesus said is also true on the subject:.........John 15:26-27............Jesus would send the "AIR" in the last days, but the word used there is "comforter" (like jacob's pillow stone).

It is this "Force" that Jesus pours out in the last days, that reveals the "Abomination of Desolation of Daniel's Prophecy"
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II SAMUEL 11:10 And when they had told David, saying, Uriah went not down unto his house, David said unto Uriah, Camest thou not from [thy] journey? why [then] didst thou not go down unto thine house?
II SAMUEL 11:11 And Uriah said unto David, The ark, and Israel, and Judah, abide in tents; and my lord Joab, and the servants of my lord, are encamped in the open fields; shall I then go into mine house, to eat and to drink, and to lie with my wife? [as] thou livest, and [as] thy soul liveth, I will not do this thing.

(King David (god) Used Uriah as a Picture of the Lord Jesus)

(King David asked Uriah, to Come as the "Prince of the Power of the Air", but Uriah said, "the temple is holy and the testimony is holy" ...............then King David said, "I will give a law of divorce", to bring a "New Temple" (from the AIR), then King David said "the temple of the lord his holy, and the testimony of the lord is holy".................then Uriah took the law of King David, the New Law, and therefore the old law pictured of Uriah's wife, was passed down to King David)

It was a "spirit" or a "force" that King David Poured out, there wasn't a messiah or a physical jesus or anything...........this is the kind of language we see in the new testament, even from jesus..........that a new "spirit" or a, new "force" will suddenly or gradually appear, and that, will answer the controversy or accusation of dead flesh or the abomination of desolation. (in terms of god not using this generations specifically, in terms of having no noah's rainbow).

(because covid-19, is an airborn virus, not necessarily that, because calamity comes along, when the earth has erratic behavior that follows matthew 24, of the erratic earth, the answer is yes, it falls into this classification)
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(Prince of the Power of the Air = Jesus, described as a "force/spirit")
MATTHEW 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
MATTHEW 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Fatima Prophecy (black sun) = 1917 A.D.
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62 Years/Weeks of Messiah Cutoff (Daniel 9:26) (Ezekiel 4:5-6)
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42 Years of Revelation
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2021 A.D.

(A Prophecy about the Messiah being put down/cutoff..........Another prophecy for 42months/years, about Babylon the Great, putting down Jesus..............what the means, and that is GOD'S WILL..........is language about a "force/spirit" that reveals the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION)

(WE ARE approximately 40 Years form Halley's Comet in 2061 A.D.............40 Years is a special division the gospel uses, repeatedly)

(thousands of years ago..............jesus replied, god set down the corner stone, set things into motion, but God only put measurement on "setting things into motion"...........as far as god putting emphasis on suffering most of which is suicide pleasure from satan only in its natural state, that is not correct to say god focused on that)

(TRUE, we are expecting an evolution in covid-19 or something else this year specifically, but if it does take longer, then, that is good and not bad)

(when humanity does dies, it doesn't have a legal right to a sign or to be a witness, humanity will die in a foolish and sick way, and individuals will be saved out of that, humanity probably will not be given the pleasure of wrestling with god more then in prayer, and this is good for the faithful and the churches)

(sometimes a dead body in the gospel, serves as a picture of the messiah for the unfaithful in their condemnation..............people want me to say that, but, the gospel gives a double standard rather then saying that directly.............rather then saying that jesus will come to be crucified for humanities pleasure, God simply says a "force/spirit" is put forth and then things are set into motion)

(Everything is Resolved, and Very Soon)

 

[Davy]

...The second coming of Christ is in the spirit.

That idea is akin to man's leaven doctrines of Full Preterism.

Full Preterism does not believe in The Bible Scriptures about Jesus Christ's 'literal', physical, 2nd coming back to this earth to reign with His elect saints. Standard Preterism does recognize The Bible's declaration of Christ's literal physical return sometime in the future.