Only 2 Comings by Lord Jesus, Not 3

[Davy]

I highly suspect the rapture and second coming occurs simultaneously, but the pre tribbers claim the rapture isn’t the return of Jesus to the earth, that He stays in the air, raptures the believers and takes them back to heaven with Him, and therefore isn’t a third coming.

And per God's written Word, our Lord Jesus returns to this earth, literally, with His saints, His feet touching down upon the Mount of Olives east of Jerusalem where He ascended to Heaven from per Acts 1. See Zechariah 14 for that, as it reveals that will happen on the "day of the Lord".

In Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27, Lord Jesus foretold the day of His coming to gather His saints, which are the events that Apostle Paul covered in 1 Thessalonians 4.

In the Matthew 24:31 version it is about the gathering of the 'asleep' saints from Heaven. In the Mark 13:27 version it's about the gathering of the saints still alive on earth. That is what Paul covered in 1 Thessalonians 4, so actually Paul was teaching what Lord Jesus had already taught in His Olivet discourse.

Acts 1:9-12 reveals Christ's ascension to Heaven from the Mount of Olives with His disciples onlooking. Immediately after that, angels appear to them and tell them Jesus will return in like manner as they saw Him go into Heaven. Thus Jesus' coming means He is returning... to this earth, not going back up into Heaven. There are many other Scripture witnesses to this fact about His literal return to this earth too. But if some don't care to find this out in God's written Word for theirself, and instead heed some pop doctrine fantasized by some man, and thus be deceived, then God will certainly allow those to be deceived if they so desire.

 

[solway]

(reply)

(Seven Year Trinity) (God used Seven Year Figures in the Capacity of "Prophecy")

(The First Seven Year Figure "2300", has no "GAP")

Matthew 17:10-12.........First "Elias" Comes, and Jesus Called Himself "Elias", and he also called that name on the cross............then SECONDLY, Jesus comes as the "new spirit" or "force", or "prince of the power of the air.

(The Secondary Seven Year Figures are "1260+1260", and "1290+1335", these have "GAP")

Matthew 4:8.........Jesus is taken up into the "AIR"..........but Jesus also revealed that he was the "Prince of the AIR"............Matthew 17:1-4
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"1260+1260" this GAP, measurement, the "Mark of the Beast" is disputed, the picture of equal potential that comes from satan and his work, or from God and the "gospel's tables"..............God does next to nothing, in NO ARTICULATE WAY, but God sets things into motion................it appears Covid-19 is that answer. (suicide pleasure with humanity, in dead flesh/dirth, weather that is those unclean people, abortions, state funded martyrdom for pleasure, like, sending food and weapons into unstable places or haggling the poor.............God will take pleasure out of that, just by setting things into motion...........humanity can die in a foolish and sick way..............and god will still save a few individuals humanity is not a witness).

"1290+1335" this GAP, measurement is for the, son of man and his testimony..........There's no profit with God in fornication or uncleanness, what you see in Revelation 11-12, in satan disputing suicide pleasure with his body and testimony, is a multiplier against the foolish and sick way humanity dies, in its dead flesh pleasure/suicide............(in the background, adversity and poverty, with the son of man, is profitable in the sense that, satan will suffer in pain for pain with the son of man, as the enemy of god and his testimony, and that is doubled with the son of man) (that includes martrydom and death, and that is a pleasure god may not allow, for that reason you can see the statements of paul, about taking confidence in death and pain, as an offering of faith, for humanity which is nothing more then a "sin offering" in god's eyes)
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(Jesus was not a "Women", and Jesus had no "Wife")
(Jesus used Lazarus as a picture of the son of man)
(the son of man under joseph in the new testament, is referred to as a women, spiritually, because Jesus is the Husband or God is the Husband in the New Testament........that means.........god places more emphasis on cleanliness and doing clean work, not playing with grossly with suicide pleasure and that is what humanity does...........god answer this dispute with, self imposed suffering, and the mechanisms are various, today emphasis on covid-19, there may be more to be seen soon)

God does VERY LITTLE, in disputing uncleanness with satan, and god does not do the work of justifying the "gospel's tables, with satan and dead flesh/dirth"...........the "seven year trinity" is resolved just by viewing "sirius sun, earth sun, jupiter sun).............but also the issue of covid-19 is not finished, people say that it is, but it has dramatically evolved already in india, very quickly, if that new level spreads, the following new levels could evolve even quicker, then the "rabies question".

(when you talk about the "gospel's tables", god views the totality of mankind, but also nations and people separately, between abortion pleasure, minority pleasure, haggling the poor pleasure, martyrdom from the state pleasure in shipping food/weapons/lives to various places, and blasphemy pleasure in fornication just to cause pain.............the only correct response from god is to set things into motion............the "seven year trinity" measure is finished............anything after that is projections about the issue of the "erratic earth and its field, and dead flesh/dirth".............Very Soon)

 

[ScottA]

matthew 17:1-9...............Jesus said he was the prince of the power of the air.............but Jesus said, after his crucifixion that law would be put into place................we see in, Hebrews 9:16-17............that the death of Jesus was necessary, the death of the testator, in order to assume the postion of the "prince of the power of the air, which was called a "force", in hebrews 9:16-17.

This makes perfect sense, if what Jesus said is also true on the subject:.........John 15:26-27............Jesus would send the "AIR" in the last days, but the word used there is "comforter" (like jacob's pillow stone).

It is this "Force" that Jesus pours out in the last days, that reveals the "Abomination of Desolation of Daniel's Prophecy"
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II SAMUEL 11:10 And when they had told David, saying, Uriah went not down unto his house, David said unto Uriah, Camest thou not from [thy] journey? why [then] didst thou not go down unto thine house?
II SAMUEL 11:11 And Uriah said unto David, The ark, and Israel, and Judah, abide in tents; and my lord Joab, and the servants of my lord, are encamped in the open fields; shall I then go into mine house, to eat and to drink, and to lie with my wife? [as] thou livest, and [as] thy soul liveth, I will not do this thing.

(King David (god) Used Uriah as a Picture of the Lord Jesus)

(King David asked Uriah, to Come as the "Prince of the Power of the Air", but Uriah said, "the temple is holy and the testimony is holy" ...............then King David said, "I will give a law of divorce", to bring a "New Temple" (from the AIR), then King David said "the temple of the lord his holy, and the testimony of the lord is holy".................then Uriah took the law of King David, the New Law, and therefore the old law pictured of Uriah's wife, was passed down to King David)

It was a "spirit" or a "force" that King David Poured out, there wasn't a messiah or a physical jesus or anything...........this is the kind of language we see in the new testament, even from jesus..........that a new "spirit" or a, new "force" will suddenly or gradually appear, and that, will answer the controversy or accusation of dead flesh or the abomination of desolation. (in terms of god not using this generations specifically, in terms of having no noah's rainbow).

(because covid-19, is an airborn virus, not necessarily that, because calamity comes along, when the earth has erratic behavior that follows matthew 24, of the erratic earth, the answer is yes, it falls into this classification)
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(Prince of the Power of the Air = Jesus, described as a "force/spirit")
MATTHEW 24:29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
MATTHEW 24:30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

Fatima Prophecy (black sun) = 1917 A.D.
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62 Years/Weeks of Messiah Cutoff (Daniel 9:26) (Ezekiel 4:5-6)
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42 Years of Revelation
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2021 A.D.

(A Prophecy about the Messiah being put down/cutoff..........Another prophecy for 42months/years, about Babylon the Great, putting down Jesus..............what the means, and that is GOD'S WILL..........is language about a "force/spirit" that reveals the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION)

(WE ARE approximately 40 Years form Halley's Comet in 2061 A.D.............40 Years is a special division the gospel uses, repeatedly)

(thousands of years ago..............jesus replied, god set down the corner stone, set things into motion, but God only put measurement on "setting things into motion"...........as far as god putting emphasis on suffering most of which is suicide pleasure from satan only in its natural state, that is not correct to say god focused on that)

(TRUE, we are expecting an evolution in covid-19 or something else this year specifically, but if it does take longer, then, that is good and not bad)

(when humanity does dies, it doesn't have a legal right to a sign or to be a witness, humanity will die in a foolish and sick way, and individuals will be saved out of that, humanity probably will not be given the pleasure of wrestling with god more then in prayer, and this is good for the faithful and the churches)

(sometimes a dead body in the gospel, serves as a picture of the messiah for the unfaithful in their condemnation..............people want me to say that, but, the gospel gives a double standard rather then saying that directly.............rather then saying that jesus will come to be crucified for humanities pleasure, God simply says a "force/spirit" is put forth and then things are set into motion)

(Everything is Resolved, and Very Soon)

No...you have not quoted any scriptures that agree with your claims. On the contrary, you have quoted some that prove you wrong.

 

[ScottA]

That idea is akin to man's leaven doctrines of Full Preterism.

Full Preterism does not believe in The Bible Scriptures about Jesus Christ's 'literal', physical, 2nd coming back to this earth to reign with His elect saints. Standard Preterism does recognize The Bible's declaration of Christ's literal physical return sometime in the future.

Your 'ism-calling only shows that some 'isms may have partial truth.

Thus, it is better for them than for you. You on the other hand, tread on dangerous ground which is that of men and of the flesh.

On the contrary, "God is spirit", and Jesus is God. He comes in the glory of the Father.

 

[GRACE ambassador]

And per God's written Word, our Lord Jesus returns to this earth, literally, with His saints, His feet touching down upon the Mount of Olives east of Jerusalem where He ascended to Heaven from per Acts 1. See Zechariah 14 for that, as it reveals that will happen on the "day of the Lord".

In Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27, Lord Jesus foretold the day of His coming to gather His saints, which are the events that Apostle Paul covered in 1 Thessalonians 4.

In the Matthew 24:31 version it is about the gathering of the 'asleep' saints from Heaven. In the Mark 13:27 version it's about the gathering of the saints still alive on earth. That is what Paul covered in 1 Thessalonians 4, so actually Paul was teaching what Lord Jesus had already taught in His Olivet discourse.

Acts 1:9-12 reveals Christ's ascension to Heaven from the Mount of Olives with His disciples onlooking. Immediately after that, angels appear to them and tell them Jesus will return in like manner as they saw Him go into Heaven. Thus Jesus' coming means He is returning... to this earth, not going back up into Heaven. There are many other Scripture witnesses to this fact about His literal return to this earth too. But if some don't care to find this out in God's written Word for theirself, and instead heed some pop doctrine fantasized by some man, and thus be deceived, then God will certainly allow those to be deceived if they so desire.

Precious friend, thanks So Much for your input - I Respectfully Disagree, {not some
"pop fantasy deception"...}, But, According To The Scriptures!:

Precious friend(s), Definite Distinctions are not being made, resulting in mass Confusion!
Hope this is helpful and encouraging = Please Be Very Richly Blessed in JESUS CHRIST!:
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LORD JESUS, we beseech Thee Now For Thy Divine Understanding In This Thy Most
Important Doctrine For our Comfort And Consolation. Amen. (1_Thessalonians_4:18 KJB!)

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Time Of JACOB’s {Israel's} Trouble (TOJT), Ending With The Second Coming, is found in:

God's Prophetic Program, Under LAW, gospel of the kingdom (“ages” past/future)
(Genesis-John; Hebrews-Revelation)

God’s “Earthly Kingdom” Purpose From “the foundation of the world” (Matthew_25:34)

God's Purpose Prophesied “since the world began” (Luke_1:68-70; Acts_3:21!)

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2 : 15 KJB!) From Things That DIFFER!:

Great GRACE Departure!

Pre-TOJT Resurrection/Departure of The Body Of CHRIST,
Ending God’s Age Of GRACE, Is Found In:

God's Revelation Of The Mystery, Under The Gospel Of The GRACE Of God!
{ Current = “But NOW!” } (Romans through Philemon!)

God’s “Heavenly Hidden” Purpose Before “the foundation of the world”
(Ephesians_1:4; 2_Timothy_1:9!)

God's Heavenly Purpose Kept Secret “since the world began”
(Romans_16:25; Ephesians_1:4-11, 3:5-9!)
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The Second Coming, According to Prophecy:

(1) Immediately After tribulation/4 signs, CHRIST, In His
Prophesied Second Advent, As KING Of kings, And LORD Of lords,
Is Coming From Heaven! (Matthew_24:29; Revelation_19:16, 11 KJB!)

(2) CHRIST Is Coming On a white horse, With Crowns On
His Head, And A Sword In His Mouth! (Revelation_19:12-15)

(3) CHRIST Is Coming With, (which Were In Heaven!),
His armies on white horses! (Revelation_19:12-15)

(4) CHRIST Is Coming To earth “With All Of His holy angels,”
In Order To Judge/Make war/Smite And Rule the nations…
(Matthew_25:31; Revelation_19:11, 15)

(5a) Angels “gather the tares First, And they are taken Out of the kingdom”
to be cast into the furnace of fire! (Matthew_24:30, 13:30, 40-43!)

(5b) Angels “gather the elect”... (Matthew_24:31; Mark_13:27!)

(6)...for the “judgment of the Earthly Nations” By The Son of man, The King!
(Matthew_25:31-46!)

(7) Those Judged as righteous then enter the kingdom! And the UNrighteous
then Depart into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels!
(Matthew_25:34-46!)

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2 : 15 KJB!) From Things That DIFFER!:

The Great GRACE Departure, According to The Heavenly Mystery!:

(1) Immediately After GRACE Has ENDED/ZERO signs!:
CHRIST, As Head Of His Body, The Church, Will Descend From
Heaven! (Ephesians_1:19-23; Colossians_1:18; 1_Thessalonians_4:16-17!)

(2) CHRIST Is Coming With A Shout, With the voice of an archangel,
And With The Trump of God! (1_Thessalonians_4:16!)

3) God (JESUS CHRIST) Will Bring With Him {those who Were With
Him In Heaven}, part Of His Own, those who are “asleep In JESUS!”
(2_Corinthians_5:8; Philippians_1:21-23; 1_Thessalonians_4:13 KJB!)

(4) CHRIST Descends With One archangel, Will resurrect those
asleep {in 3)} First, and Then, we “which are alive and remain,” {which
Is A Mystery!}, will be changed/all “incorruptible, And Caught Up”
together to meet The LORD in the air, in the “twinkling of an eye!”
(1_Thessalonians_4:16-17; 1_Corinthians_15:52-53!)

(5) CHRIST “Gathers His Body” To Himself, to Take them To Heaven...
(2_Thessalonians_2:1-3; 1_Corinthians_15:49; 2_Corinthians_12:2, 5:1, 2;
Ephesians_1:3, 20, 2:6; Philippians_3:20; 2_Timothy_4:18!)

6)...For The Judgment Seat Of CHRIST, For HIS Heavenly Body,
By The Head Himself!... (Romans_2:6, 16, 14:10-12;
1_Corinthians_3:8-15, 4:5, 6:20; 2_Corinthians_5:10;
Ephesians_6:8; Colossians_3:24-25!)

(7a) ...After Judgment, the GRACE assembly Is Then Presented as
A Glorious Church, To CHRIST Himself!... (Ephesians_5:27!)

(7b) ...And, Then CHRIST Will Present His Body, holy and
unblameable and unreproveable, In His Sight, To His Father,
In Heaven, Where we Live Forever And Ever! Amen!
(1_Thessalonians_3:13; Colossians_1:5, 22;
1_Corinthians_6:3; 2_Corinthians_5:1-2 KJB!)

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LORD JESUS, thank You so much for Your Precious BLOOD,
Gift Of Eternal Salvation, And for Your Blessed Hope of
Glorification When You Come To Finally Gather us Home! Amen.

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Please Be Very Richly Blessed, Encouraged, And Comforted! And:

Precious friend(s), see you In God's Great GloryLand!! ♫ ↑

 

[solway]

(covid-19 produced three or four different colors of fungus (four horses), the variants from india already reached the usa and europe, but the media isn't clear...........................ezekiel's temple//Jerusalem's temple............they are the old testament.............the body of jesus is the new testament, which already happened, but the "spirit poured out (ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION, IS TO BE SEEN, (COVID)..............Ephesians 2:2-7, when Jesus is called the Prince of the Power of the Air, and those are "caught up into the clouds", in, 1Thessalonians 4:14-17.............First the Dead Rose when Jesus was Crucified, but when, Jesus comes as the "Prince of the Power of the Air" (second coming), then those which remain are "caught up into the air". Jesus is a "spirit/force", not a personality, not a body, not a particular person or nation)

1. Jesus called, "Lord of the Air" = 1Thessalonians 4:17
2. Jesus called, "Prince of the Power of the Air" = Ephesians 2:2


(In Reality, what is to happen)

Daniel's Prophecy, does not talk about the universe, more then, "the BODY OF GOLD/SILVER/BRONZE/CLAY", that is broken to pieces. In this controversy of suicide pleasure humanity has with god, with god taking NO ARTICULANT ACTION........that means.........a portion of humanity will clearly die, as this, accusation of the ABOMINATION OF DESOLATION/LORD IN THE AIR, is revealed of a "force/spirit" (earth field/field propensity or etc.).

Its not a quick or a clean death, we are talking about, its a, "foolish and sick death", of humanity pretending "dead flesh/dirth/those genetic lines", are not the real issue and their suppressive nature, and god not using this generations.

Its a death God sets into motion that takes, time to develop, and may take longer to reach "full capacity" (in terms of development cycle).............it would be good to see "rabies" this year, there is enough sin pleasure in the world to produce this quickly, but we'll have to see.

 

[Truth7t7]

Precious friend, thanks So Much for your input - I Respectfully Disagree, {not some
"pop fantasy deception"...}, But, According To The Scriptures!:Please Be Very Richly Blessed, Encouraged, And Comforted! And:

Precious friend(s), see you In God's Great GloryLand!! ♫ ↑

Jesus Appears, Reveals, Immediately After The Tribulation, As Matthew 24:29-30 Teaches Below, (They Shall See The Son Of Man)

The Lord "Appears" "Reveals" In Fire, The Earth And World Are Burned At His "Presence"

There Will Be No 1,000 Year Millennial Kingdom Upon This Earth, Jesus Christ Returns In Fire And Final Judgement, Dissolving This Existing Earth By Fire, Immediately After The Tribulation.

This Existing Heaven And Earth Will Be (Replaced) By The New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, A New Creation, At The Return Of Jesus Christ

(Behold, I Make All Things New)

2 Peter 3:10-13KJV
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.

Matthew 24:29-30KJV
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

1 Corinthians 3:13KJV
13 Every man's work shall be made manifest: for the day shall declare it, because it shall be revealed by fire; and the fire shall try every man's work of what sort it is.

Luke 17:29-30KJV
29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9KJV
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord, and from the glory of his power;

Malachi 3:2KJV
2 But who may abide the day of his coming? and who shall stand when he appeareth? for he is like a refiner's fire, and like fullers' soap:

Psalm 46:6KJV
6 The heathen raged, the kingdoms were moved: he uttered his voice, the earth melted.

Psalm 50:3KJV
3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.

Psalm 97:5KJV
5 The hills melted like wax at the presence of the Lord, at the presence of the Lord of the whole earth.

Isaiah 66:15KJV
15 For, behold, the Lord will come with fire, and with his chariots like a whirlwind, to render his anger with fury, and his rebuke with flames of fire.

Zechariah 14:12KJV
12 And this shall be the plague wherewith the Lord will smite all the people that have fought against Jerusalem; Their flesh shall consume away while they stand upon their feet, and their eyes shall consume away in their holes, and their tongue shall consume away in their mouth.

Nahum 1:5-6KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.
6 Who can stand before his indignation? and who can abide in the fierceness of his anger? his fury is poured out like fire, and the rocks are thrown down by him.

Revelation 20:9KJV
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.

 

[solway]

(Reply)

(Second Coming of Jesus's Spirit, Final Week of Daniel Marker)
DANIEL 9:27 And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make [it] desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
REVELATION 21:8 But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.

(Messiah CUTOFF, "1000 Year Kingdom")
DANIEL 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof [shall be] with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.
REVELATION 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and [I saw] the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received [his] mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
REVELATION 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This [is] the first resurrection.
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Those Two Statements from Daniel, reference "messiah Jesus", those last two divisions are for the new testament only.

God says that a "sign or a vision" is an unfavorable position (there is no OIL only FIRE), if humanity is choosing suicide, principally based on, not praying and getting pleasure from sin. For that reason::For those reasons:

1. Ezekiel 4:5-6, invalidated @ 62 Week Appearance of the Messiah............the statement is only an accusation and observance of the wicked cast out of heaven, but for the faithful the benefit of prayer.

2. Revelation's (Seven Statements) Statements appears to invalidate the Final Week of Daniel..........more specifically regarding invalidation............"2300 of Daniel has NO GAP"..........where as "1260+1260" and "1290+1335" has a GAP.........God may place much value in one over the other (s).

(in either event, God sets things into motion and then humanity is revealed as the "abomination of desolation" of daniel, not some supernatural force, but some controversy over uncleanness that marks humanities death)

 

[Marty fox]

God's Word teaches that Lord Jesus comes 2 times to this earth. It was first written of in the Old Testament prophets...

Christ's 1st coming to die on the cross:
Zech 9:9
9 Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion; shout, O daughter of Jerusalem: behold, thy King cometh unto thee: he is just, and having salvation; lowly, and riding upon an ass, and upon a colt the foal of an ass.

That was declared at Jesus' 1st coming per Matthew 21:1-9.


Christ's 2nd coming with Power to Rule over all:
Zech 9:10
10 And I will cut off the chariot from Ephraim, and the horse from Jerusalem, and the battle bow shall be cut off: and he shall speak peace unto the heathen: and his dominion shall be from sea even to sea, and from river even to the ends of the earth.
KJV

The events to pay attention to in this 10th verse are, the cutting off of the chariot and horse from Jerusalem which represents battle. And the battle bow being cut off, meaning the end of all that strife in the world. And His dominion rule from sea to sea, etc., which is put for Christ's future reign over all nations with "a rod of iron" (Revelation 12:5; Psalms 2).

That is also what The New Testament prophecies show about our Lord Jesus' 2 times of coming. His 1st coming was to be meek as the Lamb slain to offer us forgiveness of sins. And His 2nd coming, which is still future, will be to take over all the kingdoms of this world on the 7th Trumpet (Revelation 11:15).


If you'll notice, there is no 3rd coming written of. Only 2:

Heb 9:28
28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for Him shall He appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
KJV

Pre-tribulationalism wrongly teaches there are 3 comings by Christ. The 1st was His coming to die on the cross. The 2nd time, which they try to be sneaky and say it really isn't a 2nd time, is alleged to be prior to the "great tribulation" to gather the Church, originally what John Darby in 1830's Great Britain said was a "secret" coming. And then they teach the 2nd coming is after the tribulation returning with Jesus to do battle, which that actually is a 3rd one in their false teaching.

1st coming - Christ died on the cross for the remission of sins for those who believe.
2nd coming - to gather His Church and do battle, beginning His reign over all.

That's all that is written of in God's Word, just 2 times, just like the above Hebrews 9:28 says "the second time". The Pre-trib Rapture school can't even get that verse right, as they slice that verse up and only say, "unto them that look for Him", and leave off that "second time". Why would they do that?

They do it because they are preaching a false doctrine from men that is leaven 'added' to God's Word. Their pre-trib rapture idea simply is not written. So chop and slice Scripture is the order of their day.

Direct Scripture is available directly from our Lord Jesus as to the timing of His return to gather His Church. It is written in Matthew 24:29-31 and Mark 13:24-27 where He shows His return and gathering of the saints is AFTER... the tribulation. One cannot get any more straightforward than that.

God allows men's leaven false doctrines to deceive IF... the believer allows theirself to be deceived. It's no big mystery, as God allowed false ones to creep in among Israel to try His people with. He does this to test YOU, to see if you will listen to Him in His Word, or to men's doctrines.

Amen only two comings one to die and one two gather His church and defeat all of His enemies. No secret rapture 7 years before the end of the world

Matthew 25:31-33
31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

 

[GRACE ambassador]

Davy said: "God's Word teaches that Lord Jesus comes 2 times to this earth...
Pre-tribulationalism wrongly teaches there are 3 comings by Christ."

Amen only two comings one to die and one two gather His church and defeat all of His enemies. No secret rapture 7 years before the end of the world

Matthew 25:31-33
31 “When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 All the nations will be gathered before him, and he will separate the people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 He will put the sheep on his right and the goats on his left.

Precious friend(s), Pre-Trib has Never taught a "THIRD coming TO THE EARTH!"
Please refrain from/agreeing to "making stuff up."
{"pop fantasy deception" Discouragement!}

GRACE "started with Paul" In Acts Ch. 9, And GRACE ENDS with God's GLORIFICATION
Of HIS "Body Of CHRIST," where we "meet HIM IN THE AIR!" {NOT on EARTH!}
{Edification And "COMFORT With These Words!!"} Ending Of HIS MYSTERY Program!
THEN, And ONLY THEN:

DOES "JUDGMENT FOR ISRAEL And The nations" BEGIN, God RESUMING HIS
"Prophetic Program!" {NEVER ever "MIX THIS UP" With The MYSTERY!!! NEVER!!!!
As it ALWAYS Results In CONFUSION! [Discouragement!]}

u possibly Overlooked post # 265...be blessed!

 

[Davy]

Your 'ism-calling only shows that some 'isms may have partial truth.

I'm not the one who came up with men's doctrines of Preterism. You'll have to argue that point with those who did.

Thus, it is better for them than for you. You on the other hand, tread on dangerous ground which is that of men and of the flesh.

On the contrary, "God is spirit", and Jesus is God. He comes in the glory of the Father.

You don't know what you're talking about, revealing you don't really know the Scriptures:

1 Cor 15:51-53
51 Behold, I shew you a mystery; We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed,

52 In a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trump: for the trumpet shall sound, and the dead shall be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed.

53 For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.
KJV

 

[Davy]

Precious friend, thanks So Much for your input - I Respectfully Disagree, {not some
"pop fantasy deception"...}, But, According To The Scriptures!:

Precious friend(s), Definite Distinctions are not being made, resulting in mass Confusion!
Hope this is helpful and encouraging = Please Be Very Richly Blessed in JESUS CHRIST!:
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LORD JESUS, we beseech Thee Now For Thy Divine Understanding In This Thy Most
Important Doctrine For our Comfort And Consolation. Amen. (1_Thessalonians_4:18 KJB!)

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Time Of JACOB’s {Israel's} Trouble (TOJT), Ending With The Second Coming, is found in:

God's Prophetic Program, Under LAW, gospel of the kingdom (“ages” past/future)
(Genesis-John; Hebrews-Revelation)

God’s “Earthly Kingdom” Purpose From “the foundation of the world” (Matthew_25:34)

God's Purpose Prophesied “since the world began” (Luke_1:68-70; Acts_3:21!)

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2 : 15 KJB!) From Things That DIFFER!:

Great GRACE Departure!

Pre-TOJT Resurrection/Departure of The Body Of CHRIST,
Ending God’s Age Of GRACE, Is Found In:

God's Revelation Of The Mystery, Under The Gospel Of The GRACE Of God!
{ Current = “But NOW!” } (Romans through Philemon!)

God’s “Heavenly Hidden” Purpose Before “the foundation of the world”
(Ephesians_1:4; 2_Timothy_1:9!)

God's Heavenly Purpose Kept Secret “since the world began”
(Romans_16:25; Ephesians_1:4-11, 3:5-9!)
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The Second Coming, According to Prophecy:

(1) Immediately After tribulation/4 signs, CHRIST, In His
Prophesied Second Advent, As KING Of kings, And LORD Of lords,
Is Coming From Heaven! (Matthew_24:29; Revelation_19:16, 11 KJB!)

(2) CHRIST Is Coming On a white horse, With Crowns On
His Head, And A Sword In His Mouth! (Revelation_19:12-15)

(3) CHRIST Is Coming With, (which Were In Heaven!),
His armies on white horses! (Revelation_19:12-15)

(4) CHRIST Is Coming To earth “With All Of His holy angels,”
In Order To Judge/Make war/Smite And Rule the nations…
(Matthew_25:31; Revelation_19:11, 15)

(5a) Angels “gather the tares First, And they are taken Out of the kingdom”
to be cast into the furnace of fire! (Matthew_24:30, 13:30, 40-43!)

(5b) Angels “gather the elect”... (Matthew_24:31; Mark_13:27!)

(6)...for the “judgment of the Earthly Nations” By The Son of man, The King!
(Matthew_25:31-46!)

(7) Those Judged as righteous then enter the kingdom! And the UNrighteous
then Depart into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels!
(Matthew_25:34-46!)

Rightly Divided (2 Timothy 2 : 15 KJB!) From Things That DIFFER!:

The Great GRACE Departure, According to The Heavenly Mystery!:

(1) Immediately After GRACE Has ENDED/ZERO signs!:
CHRIST, As Head Of His Body, The Church, Will Descend From
Heaven! (Ephesians_1:19-23; Colossians_1:18; 1_Thessalonians_4:16-17!)

(2) CHRIST Is Coming With A Shout, With the voice of an archangel,
And With The Trump of God! (1_Thessalonians_4:16!)

3) God (JESUS CHRIST) Will Bring With Him {those who Were With
Him In Heaven}, part Of His Own, those who are “asleep In JESUS!”
(2_Corinthians_5:8; Philippians_1:21-23; 1_Thessalonians_4:13 KJB!)

(4) CHRIST Descends With One archangel, Will resurrect those
asleep {in 3)} First, and Then, we “which are alive and remain,” {which
Is A Mystery!}, will be changed/all “incorruptible, And Caught Up”
together to meet The LORD in the air, in the “twinkling of an eye!”
(1_Thessalonians_4:16-17; 1_Corinthians_15:52-53!)

(5) CHRIST “Gathers His Body” To Himself, to Take them To Heaven...
(2_Thessalonians_2:1-3; 1_Corinthians_15:49; 2_Corinthians_12:2, 5:1, 2;
Ephesians_1:3, 20, 2:6; Philippians_3:20; 2_Timothy_4:18!)

6)...For The Judgment Seat Of CHRIST, For HIS Heavenly Body,
By The Head Himself!... (Romans_2:6, 16, 14:10-12;
1_Corinthians_3:8-15, 4:5, 6:20; 2_Corinthians_5:10;
Ephesians_6:8; Colossians_3:24-25!)

(7a) ...After Judgment, the GRACE assembly Is Then Presented as
A Glorious Church, To CHRIST Himself!... (Ephesians_5:27!)

(7b) ...And, Then CHRIST Will Present His Body, holy and
unblameable and unreproveable, In His Sight, To His Father,
In Heaven, Where we Live Forever And Ever! Amen!
(1_Thessalonians_3:13; Colossians_1:5, 22;
1_Corinthians_6:3; 2_Corinthians_5:1-2 KJB!)
....

Warning Brethren:
Lot of words, and ATTEMPTS at APPEARING to follow Bible Scripture, but actually DICING & SPLICING Scripture in a vain attempt to 'sound' truthful, but really following men's leaven doctrines, that is what the above is.

The 'actual' Bible Scriptures teach that our Lord Jesus comes AFTER THE TRIBULATION to gather His Church:

Matt 24:29-31
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And He shall send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
KJV

Not really that difficult to understand at all, when one actually keeps to what is really written.


Apostle Paul gave the same timing for Lord Jesus' coming to gather His Church in 2 Thessalonians 2, as he revealed that just prior to Christ's return, the Antichrist must first appear in Jerusalem, sitting in a temple at the end, proclaiming himself to be God, and over all that is called God, or that is worshipped.

 

[GRACE ambassador]

Warning Brethren:
Lot of words, and ATTEMPTS at APPEARING to follow Bible Scripture, but actually DICING & SPLICING Scripture in a vain attempt to 'sound' truthful, but really following men's leaven doctrines, that is what the above is.

Thanks for WARNING The Beloved Of God! Maybe they too will obey God,
Rightly Divide HIS Word Of Truth, Keeping Everything IN God's Context,
AND THEN make THEIR OWN Decision! eh?

 

[Timtofly]

Warning Brethren:
Lot of words, and ATTEMPTS at APPEARING to follow Bible Scripture, but actually DICING & SPLICING Scripture in a vain attempt to 'sound' truthful, but really following men's leaven doctrines, that is what the above is.

The 'actual' Bible Scriptures teach that our Lord Jesus comes AFTER THE TRIBULATION to gather His Church:

Matt 24:29-31
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.

31 And He shall send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
KJV

Not really that difficult to understand at all, when one actually keeps to what is really written.


Apostle Paul gave the same timing for Lord Jesus' coming to gather His Church in 2 Thessalonians 2, as he revealed that just prior to Christ's return, the Antichrist must first appear in Jerusalem, sitting in a temple at the end, proclaiming himself to be God, and over all that is called God, or that is worshipped.

You left out "those days". It is after the tribulation of the Stoning of Stephen, yes.

It is after the tribulation of the early church martyrs, yes.

It is after the days of the apostate church martyred thousands of the redeemed, yes.

It is even after the first 4 Seals and the tribulation that kills 2 billion people, yes.

No where does God's Word claim it is after the other 6 billion people are killed. The 6th Seal gives us John's same witness as Jesus did in the OD.

"And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other."

"And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood; And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind."

The stars are the angels. The archangel arrives with the Trump of God. Paul says it is the last angel (the archangel) that makes the first sound. Paul does not say it is the 7th time an angel makes a sound. John goes on after the 7th Seal and presents 6 other angels who are also given Trumpets. The archangel does not sound again until after the Thunders to complete the GT where Jesus and the 144k just got done harvesting billions of souls. This Archangel opens and closes the last half of Daniel's 70th week.

 

[Davy]

You left out "those days". It is after the tribulation of the Stoning of Stephen, yes.

It is after the tribulation of the early church martyrs, yes.

It is after the days of the apostate church martyred thousands of the redeemed, yes.

It is even after the first 4 Seals and the tribulation that kills 2 billion people, yes.

No where does God's Word claim it is after the other 6 billion people are killed. The 6th Seal gives us John's same witness as Jesus did in the OD.

Nothing but confusion, that above is.

The event of "great tribulation" that my Lord Jesus taught in Matthew 24 and Mark 13, to His disciples upon the Mount of Olives, was SPECIFIC to the FINAL GENERATION LIVING ON EARTH that will SEE His return.

This is WHY you CANNOT just throw any historical period of trial and tribulation upon the Church into that prophecy for the very end of this world. The fact that you attempted that shows you don't really care... what He actually said in His Olivet discourse as written about the Signs of the very end.

Furthermore, those Signs Jesus gave there for the end are the Seals of Revelation 6, which is for the very end of this world just PRIOR to His return.