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Discussion in 'Bible Study Forum' started by Doug, Sep 11, 2018.

  1. bbyrd009

    bbyrd009 Groper

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    :rolleyes: one can get all that in a single Sunday in most any mainline congregation i guess.
    Won't stand up to the Bible though, as you have thoroughly proven already imo
    with all due respect
    just start Quoting relevant Scripture, he'll hiatus immediately
     
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    1) Fellow heirs, then of what? The church (be it Jews or Gentiles) are the Kings and priests in the Millennium (Revelation 1:6), they inherit what Christ inherits. Well then I guess if they have no part of Israel, then neither does Christ.

    2) Well, then if Israel are not the 10 tribes, go debate that with the prophets since they clearly address the house of Israel or the house of Judah over and over ad nauseum (so many bible passages just point to one blindfolded and you'll probably find one). So, why then doesn't the tribe of Judah have the birthright? Why Joseph (1 Chronicles 5:2), and why does Israel not have the Kingship (Kings) but rather Judah (Genesis 49:8-12)? and why did God prophetically separate them if there's no point? They will all be gathered in the end times. However, their whereabouts have been the subject of historical debate for a long time now. Their absence now is a historical fact. So when we look at prophecy, we have to be aware if it's addressed to the house of Israel (the northern Kingdom) or the house of Judah (the southern Kingdom)

    3) Newton was not in a class of anti-science fools. Perhaps he's misunderstood by anti-science fools who pretend to know science. Newton was trying to accomplish chemically what it takes nuclear reactions to do. He was trying to convert one element to another. Had he known about nuclear physics, the genius would have done fine without being an "anti-science fool", thank you.

    Let's stick to the subject at hand. One more irrelevant stray shot such as what was given here about Newton and the conversation with you is off. There's no logical point to bring Newton into this thread. That means debate points #1 and #2. Thank you.
     
  3. Ac28

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    N. Richard's knowledge runs rings around yours. I rarely read one word of truth in anything you've written. And surely you don't think knowing Greek will help, if you are on the wrong path to start with, as you assuredly are.

    The only people on the planet that even make an attempt to obey 2Tim 2:15 and Rightly Divide (make a straight cut, correctly cut, correctly dissect) God's Word of Truth are the dispensationalists. Therefore, according to that verse, the only people that are approved unto God and have no reason to be ashamed, are the dispensationalists who are successful in dividing scripture RIGHTLY. Even the newbie dispensationalist has more knowledge about the NT than any non-dispensationalist on the planet, and that includes most every mainstream denominational preacher.

    Nothing that anyone, including Paul, wrote during Acts, nothing Christ ever said, and nothing in the OT, will tell you, as a saved Gentile, in the present 2000 year all-Gentile period, where Israel doesn't exist in God's eyes, what your future can be.

    If you suddenly get an urge to wise up and rightly divide, like you are commanded to, the first step is to eliminate everything from your doctrine that was ever given to Israel. I can't think of anything given to Israel that was ever given to today's Gentiles. The next step is to realize that the only scripture that will tell you anything about what your future is, is in Paul's 7 epistles written AFTER Acts.

    If you want to do RD with the CUT thing, make one straight cut between the end of Acts and the start of Eph. That is the only place in scripture that is All-Israel (59 books) on one side of the cut and All-Gentile (Paul's 7 post-Acts books) on the other side of the cut. Nothing on the Israel side is TO you or ABOUT you. Everything on the Gentile side is TO you and ABOUT you. Simple to say, hard to adapt to. It took me 10 years to fully adapt to it. It was constantly like, "How can that be true? Paul says here in Romans..........................!!!"

    If you can rightly divide and, if you get rid of all the Jewish baggage, like the rapture, water baptism, the Lord's supper, and 100 other things that you've been suckered into believing, and, if God then gives you the eyes of understanding to see the hope of your calling (Eph 1:17-18) in Eph, Col, etc., you have a very good chance to be resurrected in the "Appearing " (not the Rapture) to the uncreated Highest Heaven, where Christ sits at the right hand of God (Eph 1:20 - Christ. Eph 2:6 - US = same place). We, in Eph and Col, are the only people in the Bible to have that hope. Believing Israel and those few Gentiles grafted into Israel in Acts have, as their highest hope, the New Jerusalem, the all-Israel city that comes down out of the created starry Heavens and attaches to the New Earth.

    If you don't do all these things, you most likely will go through the white throne judgment and end up on the New Earth. Stop telling the Bible what is truth and let the Bible tell you what is truth. Forget about your magnificent knowledge of Greek. Did you forget that God is no respecter of persons?

    I'm not trying to insult you. I'm really trying to wake you up. You're a lost soul, as far as going to Heaven is concerned, and that's a shame.

    Eph 3:9
    And to make all men see what is the dispensation of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

    Everything I've said is part of this Mystery that was hid in God since the world began and was revealed to Paul by Jesus Christ (Eph 3:3) and then Paul revealed it to us in Eph, Phil, Col, 1&2Tim, Titus, and Philemon. Paul's main goal seemed to be to "make all men see the dispensation of this mystery" and, if Paul thinks it's that important, I'm going to follow Paul, who always follows Jesus Christ, who God-breathed every word that Paul has said.

    Titus 2:13
    Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

    Col 3:4
    When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

    Ps 8:1 - where glory is
    O Lord, our Lord, how excellent is thy name in all the earth! who hast set thy glory above the heavens.
     
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    Doesn't look like he stuck around to answer to his claim or questions. Paul never contradicted the gospel that Jesus preached, nor started a new one.
     
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    Following along with what you and Liafailrock have to say. Good conversation, I would add if I may; out of everything said where would you see all of this coming about for the born again. Clawing for words; how do you see the birthing making an impact into our understanding.
    What are the absulutes to the overall view of what you are seeing?
     
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    What a bias...against the truth. You are making exactly the opposite conclusions to the testimony in the word. You are placing Israel above Christ...as is the error of unbelieving Jews.

    If the Gentiles are grafted into Christ....WITH the believing Jews...and are now no longer aliens to the commonwealth of Israel....Is Christ divided? You are dividing Christ with your errant notions. You are putting flesh above Spirit...and calling that sound doctrine? You are altogether confused.
     
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    I don't care about anything in the OT, as far as this discussion is concerned. In the NT, with no exception that I could find, every occurrence of the word "Israel" ALWAYS means all 12 tribes and never means the never, ever-lost 10 tribes. If you want to continue this discussion, I will only discuss the NT. As a saint that will be resurrected during the "Appearing", (not the all-Israel rapture) to the uncreated Highest Heaven, as found only in Paul's 7 after-Acts epistles, as part of the mystery that was hid in God since the world began, I KNOW that nothing in the OT, the Gospels, and the Acts, are TO me or ABOUT me, with the exception of the death, burial, and resurrection, of my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
     
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    How could you possibly arrive at those totally absurd conclusions based on what I said. Before Israel ceased to be a nation in about 63AD, at the end of Acts, the saved Gentiles were grafted into Israel, Rom 11:17-24, from Ac 10 through Ac 28. Every blessing the Gentiles had during Acts came through Israel. In Ac 28:25-28, Israel was set aside and, today, 1955 years later, Israel still does not exist as a nation, in God's eyes. Israel is Lo-ammi, "not My People", as is prophesied in Hosea. See Hos 1:9

    Only Israel had Jesus Christ during Acts. The Gentiles didn't have Jesus Christ, the Salvation of God, all the way through Acts, until they were given Christ, the Salvation of God, for the first time ever, in Ac 28:28. Then, everything switched after Acts. Now, since there is no Israel today, in God's eyes, the Jews don't have Christ, but the Gentiles do.

    See Hos 6:2
    After two days will he revive us: in the third day he will raise us up, and we shall live in his sight.

    If two days means 2000 years, and in this case I think it does, the 2000 years will be up in about 2063, if God started counting from Ac 28:25-28. If He started counting when the temple was destroyed, Israel will be back on the scene in about 2070. Most of Hosea involves this present state of Israel being set aside.

    Where did I place Israel before Christ?
     
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    Episkopos Well-Known Member

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    You think......
     
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    I know. You think.
     
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    Wow! That says it all. The Kingdom and Israel is all thru the bible. Truncate it if you will. Glad you have a much thinner bible instead of the heavy one to carry. Have a good day.
     
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    Considering that the OT was the only bible known to the early church.
     
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    I did qualify that and say, "as far as this discussion is concerned." I also said I read the OT for pleasure.

    Nothing written in the OT, the Gospels, Rev., or during the Acts period, gives me any information as far as my future (or your future) is concerned. Nothing commanded of Israel, in those 59 all-Israel books, is commanded of me (or you). Nothing ever given to Israel, except Christ, has ever been given to anyone today.

    The only books that directly apply TO or ABOUT anyone living in the last 1900+ years, are Paul's last 7 epistles, all written after the end of Acts. Those 7 epistles make up a new dispensation, which was hid in God since the world began, Ephesians 3:9 , Colossians 1:25-27 , and was only revealed by Paul in his last 7 books.

    Note in Colossians 1:25 , that the word fulfil is translated "complete" in other places. Paul's dispensation in his last 7 books, fulfilled, filled full, or competed the writtenbWord of God. In Colossians 1:27 , the word "glory" is defined in Ps 8:1 (KJV), as being Above the Heavens.

    Since the content of those7 books was fully composed and hid in God, in a Mystery, a secret, before OT times started, or Israel existed, it is impossible that they contain anything associated with Israel. Also note that everything that Paul wrote in his 6 or 7 Acts books, and taught, was all based on Moses and the prophets, Acts of the Apostles 26:22 . Only Paul's 7 post-Acts books tell that our Hope is to be resurrected in the Appearing (not the rapture), to the uncreated Heaven of Heavens, where Christ sits at the right hand of God. No Jew, except Christ, EVER had a Hope of the uncreated Highest Heaven, which is far above the created starry heavens. The ultimate Hope of Israel is the New Jerusalem, that comes down out of the created New Heavens and attaches to the New Earth.

    Only a true Bible Believer can see these things. They are as plain as the nose on your face. They are there, in black and white, without any dishonesty or distortion or twisting of the scripture. If you can't see them, pray that God will open your eyes of understanding, to enable you to see the Hope of your Calling, Ephesians 1:17-18 . Many are called but few are chosen. Heaven is not automatic. You have to see it in scripture, and the New Jerusalem isn’t the Heaven of Eph and Col..
     
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    2 words...Hyper Dispensationalism

    A person with a bent so significant that THEY see only themselves as "true bible believers"??

    1 word...Delusional.
     
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    "commonwealth of Israel" lol


    ONLY ONE WORD, Or Not?
     
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    When the ignorant can't come up with an intelligent response, they often resort to insults. I guess it makes them feel smarter.

    If God is not a liar and not the author of confusion, there can be only one possible correct answer to any Biblical question anyone could pose. Unlike 99% of Christendom, who, in total, has 100s or even 1000s of answers for each question, only the Ac28 dispensationalist searches the scriptures in a totally unbiased manner, in order to discover that one true answer, that God intended when He inspired it. Only the Ac28 dispensationalist obeys 2Tim 2:15 and RIGHTLY divides or CORRECTLY cuts God's Word of Truth. Therefore, according to 2Tim 2:15, only Ac28 dispensationalists are approved unto God and have no need to feel ashamed.

    Total belief of all of God's Word, RIGHTLY Divided, is the main key to understanding His Word. If you don't rightly divide, you essentially know nothing about God's Word, especially the NT. The phrase, "rightly dividing", only occurs once, in 2Tim 2:15. According to Strong's, "rightly divide" means make a straight cut, correctly cut, correct dissect. One of the words it's derived from implies only a single cut, not multiple choppings. The Greek word it's based on is used 13 times in the word translated as circumcised. In other words, rightly dividing undoubtedly means "CUT". It doesn't mean "rightly handling", "handling aright", "handling the word of truth with precision", "accurately handling", or "correctly handles" Those are taken from the wimpy, non-offensive, modern trash Bibles - ASV. ESV, USV, NASB, and NIV.

    When I first became saved, through God's Grace, I soon concluded that, if I asked the question, "What must I do to get saved?", to, say, 5 different preachers, of 5 different denominations, it was very possible to get 5 totally different answers. That was very unsatisfactory. If God wasn't a liar, or the author of confusion, only one of those 5 could possibly be right and, it was quite possible that none of the 5 were right. Here was the #1 basic question and, if those preachers couldn't answer that, they were totally worthless. So, I decided that I was going to find a teacher(s) whose only goal was to find the absolute true interpretation of all scripture, with no agenda or bias., especially with those things that would tell me what my own future would be. I started as a Baptist, because I had heard that Baptists were the closest to the truth of all the mainstream denominations although, I know now that isn't saying much. Next. I became a mid-Acts Disp., when I saw that mid-Acts solved a lot of problems that were inherent in the Baptist doctrine. However, the mid-Acts people used a lot of trickery and deception and alternative word meaning to fit there un-Biblical agenda. I didn't realize this until my son, God bless him, introduced me to Acts 28 Dispensationalism, 30 years ago. I never stopped searching for a better approach to finding absolute Bible truth. I've tested and tested and tested and I've found nothing that even comes close to A28D. The A28D people are without a doubt the most knowledgeable people in the world, concerning Bible truth. Not because they're smarter, but because they approach the Bible with zero bias and no hidden agenda and one simple goal - to know exactly the rightly divided meaning, in it's context, of ever passage in the Bible, with nothing added and nothing taken away.

    Who is your Apostle?

    When you obey 2Tim 2:15, where exactly do you cut God's Word?
     
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    Why boast about man' teachings? Crazy weird stuff here. Very Cultic.

    Why not go to God?

    The irony is that they who actually experience real visitation from God are not proud...but humble about it.
     
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    Do you know anything, at all, about the Bible? If so, when will you let us see what you know? Your posts are always just meaningless one line insults.

    How do you know you're talking to God? If He keeps you believing that ANYTHING from Acts is for you. you surely aren't talking to God. If He doesn't keep you focused on the only information for anyone today, found only in Paul's 7 after-Acts books, you surely aren't talking to God. Who are you really talking to? Everything God desires us to know is found in His completed written Word to us. We are the only people to ever have His compete Word. Paul said in his after-Acts epistles that his present dispensation FULFILS or COMPLETES the Word of God (Col 1:25). Are you saying Paul was a liar?

    Who is your Apostle?

    When you obey 2Tim 2:15, where exactly in scripture do you cut God's Word?
     
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    Present something from the text...instead of just boasting emptiness. Look at my features threads. The difficulty is with communicating with you.
     
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    You can't communicate with me because you live in a world of false doctrine. Obviously, you never answer questions because you're incapable of doing so.

    As the scriptures say, God's Word to humans was fulfilled = completed in His dispensation of the Mystery found only in Paul's post-Acts epistles.

    To test the spirits, if you are told that any of these Israel-only and dispensational things are truth for today, you're getting the wrong information from some entity. Belief that any of these things are for you can prevent you from going to Heaven and put you on the New Earth, instead. Of course, if you rightly divided (correctly cut) God's Word, you would know these things.

    ---the Lord's prayer
    ---the Lord's supper,
    ---Christ's gospel of the Kingdom
    ---the Great Commission
    ---the churches in the Gospels and Acts (we have a new church in Eph and Col),
    ---the New Covenant,
    ---the sermon on the mount,
    ---all of the Law, water baptism,
    ---the Gifts of the Spirit,
    ---the idea that we are the seed of Abraham,
    ---the New Jerusalem,
    ---the idea that we are now part of Israel,
    ---the idea that Israel are God's chosen people at the present time (Israel was actually set aside in about 63AD),
    ---that prophecy is being fulfilled today
    ---that the present nation of Israel was the fulfillment of prophecy,
    ---and, of course, Satan's favorite, the Rapture

    When are you going to answer these 2 questions

    Who is your Apostle?
    When you obey 2Tim 2:15, where exactly in scripture do you cut God's Word?
     
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