Only one rapture of all the saints, and only one second coming of Christ

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I weary of people who misuse Scripture.
"God hath not appointed us to wrath" has no relation to the rapture. In context it is speaking of the salvation of our souls.

The Word is talking about the times and seasons not about receiving Christ as savior.

Paul is saying that we know perfectly well that the day of the Lord comes as a thief

1 Thessalonians 5
4 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.

2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

He goes on to say that that day will not take us as a thief.

What day is not going to take us as a thief??????? The day of the Lord which occurs at the end of God wrath.

We are told to watch. Why are we watching? We are watching for the return of the Lord. We are watching for the bridegroom so the day of the Lord does not take us as a thief.

1 Thessalonians 5
6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

Matthew 24
43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

So whether you know it or not, these verses are talking about the Lord coming as a thief before the day of the Lord.
Those that watch and are ready will be raptured as we are not appointed to wrath.
 
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Where is the Pretrib rapture of the Church, followed by your 7 year tribulation, followed by a 3rd coming?

1 Thessalonians 4:15-5:7 says: “we which are alive and remain unto the coming [Gr. parousia] of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words. But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden [Gr. aifnídios meaning suddenly] destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape. But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day should overtake you as a thief. Ye are all the children of light, and the children of the day: we are not of the night, nor of darkness. Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober. For they that sleep sleep in the night; and they that be drunken are drunken in the night. But let us, who are of the day, be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love; and for an helmet, the hope of salvation. For God hath not appointed us to wrath, but to obtain salvation by our Lord Jesus Christ. Who died for us, that, whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with him. Wherefore comfort yourselves together, and edify one another, even as also ye do.”

We can see from the wording of the text that this passage is describing one unitary event. Paul correlates the rescue of God's people after coming of the Lord, with the pouring out of the wrath of God upon the wicked at the same time. He was talking to Christians here in Thessaloniki and expressing the same comfort for the same overall climatic event. He is assuring God’s people that this day when Christ comes as a thief in the night will not catch them unexpected. They will not be sleeping. They will be awake. He is exhorting them to “watch and be sober.”
You are funnier than Scooby Doo. I wrote 3 sentences.
Show me where I said 7 year tribulation or 3rd coming.

Oh that's right!!!! I didn't.
So now you need to repent for lying.
 

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Clearly walking on the mount is not the same as returning from heaven and splitting the mount in half with a great valley in the middle.
Awww,...now look at what you have gone and done!!!
You keep forgetting to copy my full post along with your reply. In case the audience might want to know, it is on page 17, post #332.
 
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I agree.
I see the tribulation increasing in tribulation as time moves on. Surely the 4 horsemen create a tribulation when one reads the description...war, famine, pestilence, poverty, 1/4 of the population dies....but when the Antichrist sits in the temple and declares himself as god I see an increase of tribulation. Some consider this increased tribulations as the GREAT tribulation portion of the 7 year tribulation.
Many put the future (Man Of Sin) (The Beast) as the ruler of earth during the 3.5 year tribulation "wrong"!

It will be God's (Two Witnesses) that rule in bringing all plagues in torturing the evil world, a literal remake of Moses/Aaron against Pharaoh of Egypt, God's in control!

Revelation 11:3-6 & 10KJV
3 And I will give power unto my two witnesses, and they shall prophesy a thousand two hundred and threescore days, clothed in sackcloth.
4 These are the two olive trees, and the two candlesticks standing before the God of the earth.
5 And if any man will hurt them, fire proceedeth out of their mouth, and devoureth their enemies: and if any man will hurt them, he must in this manner be killed.
6 These have power to shut heaven, that it rain not in the days of their prophecy: and have power over waters to turn them to blood, and to smite the earth with all plagues, as often as they will.

10 And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.

The Future (Two Witnesses) "All Plagues" As Often As They Will Representing "God"


Revelation 16:1-11KJV
1 And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath of God upon the earth.
2 And the first went, and poured out his vial upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and upon them which worshipped his image.
3 And the second angel poured out his vial upon the sea; and it became as the blood of a dead man: and every living soul died in the sea.
4 And the third angel poured out his vial upon the rivers and fountains of waters; and they became blood.
5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged thus.
6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.
7 And I heard another out of the altar say, Even so, Lord God Almighty, true and righteous are thy judgments.
8 And the fourth angel poured out his vial upon the sun; and power was given unto him to scorch men with fire.
9 And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give him glory.
10 And the fifth angel poured out his vial upon the seat of the beast; and his kingdom was full of darkness; and they gnawed their tongues for pain,
11 And blasphemed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores
, and repented not of their deeds.
 

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You are funnier than Scooby Doo. I wrote 3 sentences.
Show me where I said 7 year tribulation or 3rd coming.

Oh that's right!!!! I didn't.
So now you need to repent for lying.

Ahhh!

So, how long is the trib? And, oh, you agree with us Amils: the next time Jesus comes that is it? That is the end?
 

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The Word is talking about the times and seasons not about receiving Christ as savior.

Paul is saying that we know perfectly well that the day of the Lord comes as a thief

1 Thessalonians 5
4 But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you.

2 For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night.

He goes on to say that that day will not take us as a thief.

What day is not going to take us as a thief??????? The day of the Lord which occurs at the end of God wrath.

We are told to watch. Why are we watching? We are watching for the return of the Lord. We are watching for the bridegroom so the day of the Lord does not take us as a thief.

1 Thessalonians 5
6 Therefore let us not sleep, as do others; but let us watch and be sober.

Matthew 24
43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.

44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

So whether you know it or not, these verses are talking about the Lord coming as a thief before the day of the Lord.
Those that watch and are ready will be raptured as we are not appointed to wrath.

  • The reason you ignore the questions is because they expose your thesis.
  • The reason you ignore the rebuttals is because they expose your thesis.
This is more proof that your error is a Jesuit invention.
 
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You keep forgetting to copy my full post along with your reply. In case the audience might want to know, it is on page 17, post #332.

There is an arrow thing people cn click on to see the post replied to. Any part of a post can be responded to or not. As long as nothing is misreprsented or changed, there's nothing wrong.

You keep avoiding the points made that show your interpretation is wrong and that's because it is wrong. Did Rev 19 happen when Jesus was walking around the land in the 1st century too?
 

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There is an arrow thing people cn click on to see the post replied to. Any part of a post can be responded to or not. As long as nothing is misreprsented or changed, there's nothing wrong.

You keep avoiding the points made that show your interpretation is wrong and that's because it is wrong. Did Rev 19 happen when Jesus was walking around the land in the 1st century too?
I do know about the "arrow thing", but I choose not to use it WHEN I am posting a reply.

When I write/post anything, I am trying to be considerate of the audience.

When people are browsing/scanning, they do not want to bounce around looking for the rest of a post that someone purposely cut out/ ignored. Just because you stripped it down for a post of your reply, why do you "crimp" someone's post, so that the audience CANNOT READILY SEE the body of the arguments??

We all know that we can get lost in the process of SEARCHING, thus losing patience to hunt things down. But, we also do know that no one has to go hunting for anything, if the replying poster was thinking of the audience also.

Edit: as for your reply that my interpretation is wrong, do you not see that you lost the audience awhile back, so that no one knows, except me, of what my interpretation is. You really are not providing any reference to my posts 271, pg.14 and 332, pg.17. BUT, now that I have, you are not now barking in the dark!
 
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There is an arrow thing people cn click on to see the post replied to. Any part of a post can be responded to or not. As long as nothing is misreprsented or changed, there's nothing wrong.

You keep avoiding the points made that show your interpretation is wrong and that's because it is wrong. Did Rev 19 happen when Jesus was walking around the land in the 1st century too?

Have you ever considered the great whore of 19:2 might be the Old Covenant Law that through spiritual fornication, adultery and apostasy had become an abomination unto God?
 
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1. The Greek Word for "Coming" (Parousia) Does Not Allow an "Invisible" Return​

Pre-trib and mid-trib theories often rely on dividing Christ's return into two phases: a quiet, secret, or "invisible" coming for the church, followed later by a public, visible "Second Coming" in judgment.

  • The Problem: The New Testament uses the word Parousia (presence/arrival) for Christ's return, and it consistently describes it as loud, visible, and unmistakable.
  • 1 Thessalonians 4:16 explicitly says He descends with a "cry of command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the sound of the trumpet of God." That is the exact opposite of quiet or invisible.
  • Furthermore, Revelation 1:7 declares: "Behold, every eye will see him, even those who pierced him..." There is no biblical category for a secret, invisible extraction of believers where the rest of the world misses the event entirely.

2. The "Last Trumpet" Destroys a Mid-Trib or Pre-Trib Timeline​

Paul specifically anchors the resurrection and transformation of living believers to a very specific chronological marker: the last trumpet (1 Corinthians 15:52).

  • If a group of believers is raptured mid-tribulation, and another group is raptured at the end of the tribulation (at the visible Second Coming), how can there be a "last" trumpet for the second group?
  • If trumpets are still sounding for a subsequent gathering of "tribulation saints" years later, the first trumpet wasn't the last one. Paul uses "last" to signify the final punctuation mark of human history, leaving no room for a repeat performance.

3. The New Testament Knows Only One "Gathering Together"​

When Paul addresses the exact concern of believers being confused about the timing of being gathered to Christ, he explicitly ties it to one major event.

  • In 2 Thessalonians 2:1–3, Paul begs the church not to be shaken by the idea that the Day of the Lord has already come, reminding them that the gathering together to Christ will not happen until the "man of lawlessness" is revealed. He treats the gathering and the revelation of Christ as a single, simultaneous event, not split across two separate timelines years apart.

4. Where Does Scripture Invent "Tribulation Saints" Separated from the Church?​

The idea that God has two separate groups of redeemed people with two entirely different destiny timelines—one body raptured early, and another group of "tribulation saints" caught up later—violates the core New Testament unity of the Body of Christ.

  • Paul states in Ephesians 4:4–5 that there is "one body and one Spirit... one hope to which you were called."
  • Splitting the redeemed into separate classes with separate extraction dates turns the "one hope" into two entirely different hopes.
Never in my life have I seen people, with zero knowledge of true end time eschatology, think they know so much when they know so little.

For instance the "SO CALLED 2ND COMING" there is no such thing as only 2 comings, that just a figment of someone's imagination. Its all about only 2 Advents, not coming only twice, LOL. We see Jesus as the Rock in the desert, we see Jesus as the Man in Linen in Dan. 12. We see Jesus in Gen. 18 and 19 as the an Abraham called Lord before he called on God the Father to reign down fire from Heaven on Sodom. We see In John 20 that Jesus told Mary "Touch me not, for I have not yet ascended to the Father" [to offer the Sacrifice] then 8 days later Jesus appeared, bring back from Heaven the gift of the holy spirit, and he told Doubting Thomas to touch his wounds.

So, pretending there can only be two comings, all because people do nit understand ursa not about COMINGS per se its all about TWO ADVENTS, the Suffering Servant and the Roaring Lion King. It was never about only two comings.

Jesus returns to snatch his bride away from upon the clouds, see Rev. 14:14, he harvests us from the clouds, then he returns to rule from Jerusalem for 1000 years. I got more news for you, we the church will not be on this earth, save for only the Martyrs of Rev. 20:4 who died refusing the Mark of the Beast it CLEARLY says THEY rule and serve with Jesus 1000 years. Where will we be? Well, since God hates idleness, we will be finishing off the New Jerusalem, thus as it descends it is called the Bride of Christ. How many people does God the Son (Jesus) need to help him rule earth and keep order? Not that many. not Billion, lol. We will not remain on this earth, but the Martyrs will, they will be a reminder of the evil Beasts ways.

If you cant even get the simple stuff like the Raptures timing correct, I would never heed anything you guy say about Eschatology.
 
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Never in my life have I seen people, with zero knowledge of true end time eschatology, think they know so much when they know so little.

For instance the "SO CALLED 2ND COMING" there is no such thing as only 2 comings, that just a figment of someone's imagination. Its all about only 2 Advents, not coming only twice, LOL. We see Jesus as the Rock in the desert, we see Jesus as the Man in Linen in Dan. 12. We see Jesus in Gen. 18 and 19 as the an Abraham called Lord before he called on God the Father to reign down fire from Heaven on Sodom. We see In John 20 that Jesus told Mary "Touch me not, for I have not yet ascended to the Father" [to offer the Sacrifice] then 8 days later Jesus appeared, bring back from Heaven the gift of the holy spirit, and he told Doubting Thomas to touch his wounds.

So, pretending there can only be two comings, all because people do nit understand ursa not about COMINGS per se its all about TWO ADVENTS, the Suffering Servant and the Roaring Lion King. It was never about only two comings.

Jesus returns to snatch his bride away from upon the clouds, see Rev. 14:14, he harvests us from the clouds, then he returns to rule from Jerusalem for 1000 years. I got more news for you, we the church will not be on this earth, save for only the Martyrs of Rev. 20:4 who died refusing the Mark of the Beast it CLEARLY says THEY rule and serve with Jesus 1000 years. Where will we be? Well, since God hates idleness, we will be finishing off the New Jerusalem, thus as it descends it is called the Bride of Christ. How many people does God the Son (Jesus) need to help him rule earth and keep order? Not that many. not Billion, lol. We will not remain on this earth, but the Martyrs will, they will be a reminder of the evil Beasts ways.

If you cant even get the simple stuff like the Raptures timing correct, I would never heed anything you guy say about Eschatology.
Evidently you have not understood the spiritual depth of what Jesus HAS SAID about His three manifestations, and what EXACTLY was going to be fulfilled in them. Please see my posts: 271 pg.14, 332 pg.17.
 

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Never in my life have I seen people, with zero knowledge of true end time eschatology, think they know so much when they know so little.

For instance the "SO CALLED 2ND COMING" there is no such thing as only 2 comings, that just a figment of someone's imagination. Its all about only 2 Advents, not coming only twice, LOL. We see Jesus as the Rock in the desert, we see Jesus as the Man in Linen in Dan. 12. We see Jesus in Gen. 18 and 19 as the an Abraham called Lord before he called on God the Father to reign down fire from Heaven on Sodom. We see In John 20 that Jesus told Mary "Touch me not, for I have not yet ascended to the Father" [to offer the Sacrifice] then 8 days later Jesus appeared, bring back from Heaven the gift of the holy spirit, and he told Doubting Thomas to touch his wounds.

So, pretending there can only be two comings, all because people do nit understand ursa not about COMINGS per se its all about TWO ADVENTS, the Suffering Servant and the Roaring Lion King. It was never about only two comings.

Jesus returns to snatch his bride away from upon the clouds, see Rev. 14:14, he harvests us from the clouds, then he returns to rule from Jerusalem for 1000 years. I got more news for you, we the church will not be on this earth, save for only the Martyrs of Rev. 20:4 who died refusing the Mark of the Beast it CLEARLY says THEY rule and serve with Jesus 1000 years. Where will we be? Well, since God hates idleness, we will be finishing off the New Jerusalem, thus as it descends it is called the Bride of Christ. How many people does God the Son (Jesus) need to help him rule earth and keep order? Not that many. not Billion, lol. We will not remain on this earth, but the Martyrs will, they will be a reminder of the evil Beasts ways.

If you cant even get the simple stuff like the Raptures timing correct, I would never heed anything you guy say about Eschatology.
Well then you deny apostolic teaching and Christ's own words

The second coming is His glorious appearing when He comes to gather His saints, and to judge the world in righteousness.

Where does Christ remain now? And until what?

Mark 12
35 Then Jesus answered and said, while He taught in the temple, “How is it that the scribes say that the Christ is the Son of David? 36 For David himself said by the Holy Spirit:

‘The Lord said to my Lord,
“Sit at My right hand,
Till I make Your enemies Your footstool.” ’
37 Therefore David himself calls Him ‘Lord’; how is He then his Son?”

Mark 16:19
So then, after the Lord had spoken to them, He was received up into heaven, and sat down at the right hand of God.

Matthew 22:44
The Lord said to my Lord, “Sit at My right hand, Till I make Your enemies Your footstool”

Do you believe the scriptures, then you will acknowledge what is said
What is the LAST ENEMY?
Until death is destroyed, Christ remains in heaven at the right hand of God, but no, YOU DENY this truth, claiming He leaves the right hand of the Father and makes multiple comings and goings while death is not yet destroyed, (which only happens at the resurrection) as everyone you too will die. And in your earthly 1000 year millennial reign with Christ on the earth, people are dying. All of this is contrary teaching to both Christ and apostolic doctrine.

1 Corinthians 15
20 But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have [d]fallen asleep. 21 For since by man came death, by Man also came the resurrection of the dead. 22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. 23 But each one in his own order: Christ the firstfruits, afterward those who are Christ’s at His coming. 24 Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. 25 For He must reign till He has put all enemies under His feet. 26 The last enemy that will be destroyed is death. 27 For “He has put all things under His feet.” But when He says “all things are put under Him,it is evident that He who put all things under Him is excepted. 28 Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.
 
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See now, some people place all their faith in visions, they are not rooted in the scripture, they root themselves in their interpretations of visions and parables, according to their own understandings and depreciate the teaching of Christ and the apostles, like shoving it out of the way, especially if it is contrary to what said visions speak to them about the truth.

They also flock together and reinforce their own delusions, it is as if they don't want to retain God in their knowledge.
 

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When Christ returns for His church, this happens, which so many deny. What happens to those who do not know God, who do not obey the gospel? And yet they dare throw this back in God's face and say I don't believe any of this will happen when Christ comes back for His church. They claim the unbelieving remain with the righteous on this earth for 1000 years with Christ no longer th the right hand of God in heaven. Come on people you can if you choose see this is what it says.


3 We are bound to thank God always for you, brethren, as it is fitting, because your faith grows exceedingly, and the love of every one of you all abounds toward each other, 4 so that we ourselves boast of you among the churches of God for your patience and faith in all your persecutions and [a]tribulations that you endure, 5 which is manifest[b] evidence of the righteous judgment of God, that you may be counted worthy of the kingdom of God, for which you also suffer;

6 since it is a righteous thing with God to repay with [c]tribulation those who trouble you,

7 and to give you who are troubled rest with us when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels,

8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ.

9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,

10 when He comes, in that Day, to be glorified in His saints and to be admired among all those who [d]believe, because our testimony among you was believed.
 
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Have you ever considered the great whore of 19:2 might be the Old Covenant Law that through spiritual fornication, adultery and apostasy had become an abomination unto God?
(Jerusalem) Is The Whore, Mystery Babylon The Great.

The Levitical High Priest Dressing represents "The Woman", that is dressed in purple, scarlet, gold, and precious stones as seen below

(Revelation) 17:4KJV

4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

Yes "The Woman", The Levitical High Priest, Dressed In Purple, Scarlet, Gold, And Precious Stones

(Exodus) 28:15-20KJV
15 And thou shalt make the breastplate of judgment with cunning work; after the work of the ephod thou shalt make it; of gold, of blue, and of purple, and of scarlet, and of fine twined linen, shalt thou make it.
16 Foursquare it shall be being doubled; a span shall be the length thereof, and a span shall be the breadth thereof.
17 And thou shalt set in it settings of stones, even four rows of stones: the first row shall be a sardius, a topaz, and a carbuncle: this shall be the first row.
18 And the second row shall be an emerald, a sapphire, and a diamond.
19 And the third row a ligure, an agate, and an amethyst.
20 And the fourth row a beryl, and an onyx, and a jasper: they shall be set in gold in their inclosings.

(Jerusalem) is the seven Mount city, where the woman sits, not Rome as many falsely claim.

(Revelation) 17:9KJV

9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

List of cities claimed to be built on seven hills - Wikipedia.
Jerusalem, Israel:
Jerusalem's seven hills are Mount Scopus, Mount Olivet and the Mount of Corruption (all three are peaks in a mountain ridge that lies east of the Old City), Mount Ophel, the original Mount Zion, the New Mount Zion and the hill on which the Antonia Fortress was built.

The Roman Empire didnt exist to be guilty of the Prophets blood seen below, Jerusalem did.

(Revelation) 18:24KJV

24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

(Matthew) 23:29-37KJV
29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

Jerusalem (The Woman) that (Great City) as seen below, Jerusalem where Jesus Christ was crucified

(Revelation) 17:18AKJV

18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

(Revelation) 11:8AKJV
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Jews/Hebrews cast dust upon their heads, weeping for the (Great City) Jerusalem

(Revelation) 18:19 AKJV

19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

Ezekiel 16:1-23KJV
1 Again the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,
2 Son of man, cause Jerusalem to know her abominations,
3 And say, Thus saith the Lord God unto Jerusalem; Thy birth and thy nativity is of the land of Canaan; thy father was an Amorite, and thy mother an Hittite.
4 And as for thy nativity, in the day thou wast born thy navel was not cut, neither wast thou washed in water to supple thee; thou wast not salted at all, nor swaddled at all.
5 None eye pitied thee, to do any of these unto thee, to have compassion upon thee; but thou wast cast out in the open field, to the lothing of thy person, in the day that thou wast born.
6 And when I passed by thee, and saw thee polluted in thine own blood, I said unto thee when thou wast in thy blood, Live; yea, I said unto thee when thou wast in thy blood, Live.
7 I have caused thee to multiply as the bud of the field, and thou hast increased and waxen great, and thou art come to excellent ornaments: thy breasts are fashioned, and thine hair is grown, whereas thou wast naked and bare.
8 Now when I passed by thee, and looked upon thee, behold, thy time was the time of love; and I spread my skirt over thee, and covered thy nakedness: yea, I sware unto thee, and entered into a covenant with thee, saith the Lord God, and thou becamest mine.
9 Then washed I thee with water; yea, I throughly washed away thy blood from thee, and I anointed thee with oil.
10 I clothed thee also with broidered work, and shod thee with badgers' skin, and I girded thee about with fine linen, and I covered thee with silk.
11 I decked thee also with ornaments, and I put bracelets upon thy hands, and a chain on thy neck.
12 And I put a jewel on thy forehead, and earrings in thine ears, and a beautiful crown upon thine head.
13 Thus wast thou decked with gold and silver; and thy raiment was of fine linen, and silk, and broidered work; thou didst eat fine flour, and honey, and oil: and thou wast exceeding beautiful, and thou didst prosper into a kingdom.
14 And thy renown went forth among the heathen for thy beauty: for it was perfect through my comeliness, which I had put upon thee, saith the Lord God.
15 But thou didst trust in thine own beauty, and playedst the harlot because of thy renown, and pouredst out thy fornications on every one that passed by; his it was.
16 And of thy garments thou didst take, and deckedst thy high places with divers colours, and playedst the harlot thereupon: the like things shall not come, neither shall it be so.
17 Thou hast also taken thy fair jewels of my gold and of my silver, which I had given thee, and madest to thyself images of men, and didst commit whoredom with them,
18 And tookest thy broidered garments, and coveredst them: and thou hast set mine oil and mine incense before them.
19 My meat also which I gave thee, fine flour, and oil, and honey, wherewith I fed thee, thou hast even set it before them for a sweet savour: and thus it was, saith the Lord God.
20 Moreover thou hast taken thy sons and thy daughters, whom thou hast borne unto me, and these hast thou sacrificed unto them to be devoured. Is this of thy whoredoms a small matter,
21 That thou hast slain my children, and delivered them to cause them to pass through the fire for them?
22 And in all thine abominations and thy whoredoms thou hast not remembered the days of thy youth, when thou wast naked and bare, and wast polluted in thy blood.
23 And it came to pass after all thy wickedness, (woe, woe unto thee! saith the Lord God;)
 
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(Jerusalem) Is The Whore, Mystery Babylon The Great.

The Levitical High Priest Dressing represents "The Woman", that is dressed in purple, scarlet, gold, and precious stones as seen below

(Revelation) 17:4KJV

4 And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet colour, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication:

Yes "The Woman", The Levitical High Priest, Dressed In Purple, Scarlet, Gold, And Precious Stones

(Exodus) 28:15-20KJV
15 And thou shalt make the breastplate of judgment with cunning work; after the work of the ephod thou shalt make it; of gold, of blue, and of purple, and of scarlet, and of fine twined linen, shalt thou make it.
16 Foursquare it shall be being doubled; a span shall be the length thereof, and a span shall be the breadth thereof.
17 And thou shalt set in it settings of stones, even four rows of stones: the first row shall be a sardius, a topaz, and a carbuncle: this shall be the first row.
18 And the second row shall be an emerald, a sapphire, and a diamond.
19 And the third row a ligure, an agate, and an amethyst.
20 And the fourth row a beryl, and an onyx, and a jasper: they shall be set in gold in their inclosings.

(Jerusalem) is the seven Mount city, where the woman sits, not Rome as many falsely claim.

(Revelation) 17:9KJV

9 And here is the mind which hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth.

List of cities claimed to be built on seven hills - Wikipedia.
Jerusalem, Israel:
Jerusalem's seven hills are Mount Scopus, Mount Olivet and the Mount of Corruption (all three are peaks in a mountain ridge that lies east of the Old City), Mount Ophel, the original Mount Zion, the New Mount Zion and the hill on which the Antonia Fortress was built.

The Roman Empire didnt exist to be guilty of the Prophets blood seen below, Jerusalem did.

(Revelation) 18:24KJV

24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

(Matthew) 23:29-37KJV
29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children of them which killed the prophets.
32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33 Ye serpents, ye generation of vipers, how can ye escape the damnation of hell?
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall kill and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon this generation.
37 O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, thou that killest the prophets, and stonest them which are sent unto thee, how often would I have gathered thy children together, even as a hen gathereth her chickens under her wings, and ye would not!

Jerusalem (The Woman) that (Great City) as seen below, Jerusalem where Jesus Christ was crucified

(Revelation) 17:18AKJV

18 And the woman which thou sawest is that great city, which reigneth over the kings of the earth.

(Revelation) 11:8AKJV
8 And their dead bodies shall lie in the street of the great city, which spiritually is called Sodom and Egypt, where also our Lord was crucified.

Jews/Hebrews cast dust upon their heads, weeping for the (Great City) Jerusalem

(Revelation) 18:19 AKJV

19 And they cast dust on their heads, and cried, weeping and wailing, saying, Alas, alas that great city, wherein were made rich all that had ships in the sea by reason of her costliness! for in one hour is she made desolate.

Ezekiel 16:1-23KJV
1 Again the word of the Lord came unto me, saying,
2 Son of man, cause Jerusalem to know her abominations,
3 And say, Thus saith the Lord God unto Jerusalem; Thy birth and thy nativity is of the land of Canaan; thy father was an Amorite, and thy mother an Hittite.
4 And as for thy nativity, in the day thou wast born thy navel was not cut, neither wast thou washed in water to supple thee; thou wast not salted at all, nor swaddled at all.
5 None eye pitied thee, to do any of these unto thee, to have compassion upon thee; but thou wast cast out in the open field, to the lothing of thy person, in the day that thou wast born.
6 And when I passed by thee, and saw thee polluted in thine own blood, I said unto thee when thou wast in thy blood, Live; yea, I said unto thee when thou wast in thy blood, Live.
7 I have caused thee to multiply as the bud of the field, and thou hast increased and waxen great, and thou art come to excellent ornaments: thy breasts are fashioned, and thine hair is grown, whereas thou wast naked and bare.
8 Now when I passed by thee, and looked upon thee, behold, thy time was the time of love; and I spread my skirt over thee, and covered thy nakedness: yea, I sware unto thee, and entered into a covenant with thee, saith the Lord God, and thou becamest mine.
9 Then washed I thee with water; yea, I throughly washed away thy blood from thee, and I anointed thee with oil.
10 I clothed thee also with broidered work, and shod thee with badgers' skin, and I girded thee about with fine linen, and I covered thee with silk.
11 I decked thee also with ornaments, and I put bracelets upon thy hands, and a chain on thy neck.
12 And I put a jewel on thy forehead, and earrings in thine ears, and a beautiful crown upon thine head.
13 Thus wast thou decked with gold and silver; and thy raiment was of fine linen, and silk, and broidered work; thou didst eat fine flour, and honey, and oil: and thou wast exceeding beautiful, and thou didst prosper into a kingdom.
14 And thy renown went forth among the heathen for thy beauty: for it was perfect through my comeliness, which I had put upon thee, saith the Lord God.
15 But thou didst trust in thine own beauty, and playedst the harlot because of thy renown, and pouredst out thy fornications on every one that passed by; his it was.
16 And of thy garments thou didst take, and deckedst thy high places with divers colours, and playedst the harlot thereupon: the like things shall not come, neither shall it be so.
17 Thou hast also taken thy fair jewels of my gold and of my silver, which I had given thee, and madest to thyself images of men, and didst commit whoredom with them,
18 And tookest thy broidered garments, and coveredst them: and thou hast set mine oil and mine incense before them.
19 My meat also which I gave thee, fine flour, and oil, and honey, wherewith I fed thee, thou hast even set it before them for a sweet savour: and thus it was, saith the Lord God.
20 Moreover thou hast taken thy sons and thy daughters, whom thou hast borne unto me, and these hast thou sacrificed unto them to be devoured. Is this of thy whoredoms a small matter,
21 That thou hast slain my children, and delivered them to cause them to pass through the fire for them?
22 And in all thine abominations and thy whoredoms thou hast not remembered the days of thy youth, when thou wast naked and bare, and wast polluted in thy blood.
23 And it came to pass after all thy wickedness, (woe, woe unto thee! saith the Lord God;)
Nope.
The city on 7 hills is Constantinople/Islamabad and the Great Whore is Mohammedanism and the AC is the coming Mahdi.
 

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Are you saying the two witnesses are making Rev 13 happen?
Show me one verse in my post where I mention a single verse from Rev Chapter 13?

If you have a belief or claim feel free to make it, I'm not in the business of mind reading

Jesus Is The Lord