Only the Apostles were Predestined

[David in NJ]

Romans 10:17

My point is not everyone besides the 12 disciples, which includes Paul will be raised up at the last day.

21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

My point exactly.

My point is not everyone besides the 12 disciples, which includes Paul will be raised up at the last day.

21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’ 23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

100% AGREE and Good Afternoon

John 6:43-44 is only speaking of those who are being SAVED by the FATHER, who then Places them in CHRIST

No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day

 

[Earburner]

More false teaching

Not according to the word "whosoever".

Rev. 22[17] And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come.
And WHOSOEVER WILL [he who desires], let him take the water of life [Jesus] freely.

 

[brightfame52]

Not according to the word "whosoever".

Rev. 22[17] And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that heareth say, Come. And let him that is athirst come.
And WHOSOEVER WILL, let him take the water of life [Jesus] freely.

More false teaching

 

[Earburner]

More false teaching

More denial of truth.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

More false teaching

So you don't believe anybody can get born again thru Jesus Christ then?

 

[pandaflower]

100% AGREE and Good Afternoon

John 6:43-44 is only speaking of those who are being SAVED by the FATHER, who then Places them in CHRIST

No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day

Good show.
Though sadly enough, I don't think that's what they hoped to push through here.

 

[brightfame52]

So you don't believe anybody can get born again thru Jesus Christ then?

What do you mean ?

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Again...the plan of God to SAVE people from eternal death is what was predestinated before the world was, NOT PEOPLE.

That plan was fulfilled by the Lord Jesus Christ, which was kept secret since the beginning of the world.

Rom. 16
[25] Now to him that is of power to stablish you according to my gospel, and the preaching of Jesus Christ, according to the revelation of the mystery, [the hidden wisdom] which was kept secret since the world began,

1Cor. 2
[7] But we speak the wisdom of God in a mystery, even the hidden wisdom, which God ordained before the world [was] unto our glory:
[8] Which none of the princes of this world knew: for had they known it, they would not have crucified the Lord of glory.

I would suggest you take the verses I gave you and bring them to an English teacher and let them tell you that according to all rules of Grammar which God created, it is the people and not the plan that was predestined.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

More false teaching

You said the following was false teaching:

Before the foundation of the world, the PLAN of God the Father and God the Son, was predestinated, that Jesus WAS TO shed His blood as the Lamb OF God, thus giving God the Father the ABILITY to adopt US as HIS children.

 

[brightfame52]

You said the following was false teaching:

And

 

[Earburner]

I would suggest you take the verses I gave you and bring them to an English teacher and let them tell you that according to all rules of Grammar which God created, it is the people and not the plan that was predestined.

Sorry! I am understanding the deep things of God by His Holy Spirit.
You are still in the shallows, depending only on the written words, of which is a pharisaical trait.

1 Cor. 2
[10] But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

 

[MatthewG]

Well it is you who speak of "you rperspective" and critical thinking. these are strong words when spokjen in context of biblical discussions.

Totally fair—everyone has their own way of looking at things. I really admire those who think critically, but even if someone doesn’t, I just hope they’re open to exploring truth. That’s what really matters. And when it comes to reading the Bible, I think it’s so important to invite the Spirit into that process too—it brings everything into deeper focus.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

More false teaching

According to .....?

 

[brightfame52]

According to .....?

me

 

[rodm777]

Here is a simple timeline for salvation.
*** This is not my opinion, my doctrine, my denominational stance, or my interpretation. This is just what the scriptures state:

1). Before the foundation of the world, God The Father chose some people, and wrote their names into the book of life.
2). Then Jesus preaches the following: "All that the father has given me (people in that book), I will not even lose one.
3) At each persons appointed time, God draws them, and they become born anew of Spirit.

 

[Earburner]

Here is a simple timeline for salvation.
*** This is not my opinion, my doctrine, my denominational stance, or my interpretation. This is just what the scriptures state:

1). Before the foundation of the world, God The Father chose some people, and wrote their names into the book of life.
2). Then Jesus preaches the following: "All that the father has given me (people in that book), I will not even lose one.
3) At each persons appointed time, God draws them, and they become born anew of Spirit.

It may not be your opinion, your doctrine, your denominational stance or your interpretation, but it is your vague human observation and speculation of what you think the scriptures state.

So then, what did take place before the foundation of the world?
1 Peter 1
[17] And if ye call on the Father, who without respect of persons judgeth according to every man's work, pass the time of your sojourning here in fear:
[18] Forasmuch as ye know that ye were not redeemed with corruptible things, as silver and gold, from your vain conversation received by tradition from your fathers;
[19] But with the precious blood of Christ, as of a lamb without blemish and without spot:
[20] Who verily was FOREORDAINED [foreknown]  before the foundation of the world, but was manifest in these last times for you,

 

[pandaflower]

When God can call you,God can keep you. If God calls you but cannot keep you because your will is greater in choosing to leave than is his in choosing you to keep,he is not God . Sovereign and having Dominion over all his creation.

What the Bible says about Appointed to Eternal Life

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[1stCenturyLady]

me

How are you an authority? How do you know what you believe is what God meant? Does God speak to you?

 

[pandaflower]

How are you an authority? How do you know what you believe is what God meant? Does God speak to you?

One could ask you the same questions. This being your thread.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

And

God's Word tells us Jesus was slain before the foundation of the world (1 Peter 1:19-20 and Revelation 13:8)

This shows the Lord knew before He ever created man that man found sin so the Lord had His plan of salvation in place from the start.

Sorry! I am understanding the deep things of God by His Holy Spirit.
You are still in the shallows, depending only on the written words, of which is a pharisaical trait.

1 Cor. 2
[10] But God hath revealed them unto us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searcheth all things, yea, the deep things of God.

Yes and if people's "deep revelations" don't agree with what God says in His Word then they have been deceived by devils.

We must remember the written Word of God is from the Holy Spirit Who got it from Jesus Who got it from the Father.

Before the foundation of the world, God The Father chose some people

That came out of the heresy that is calvinism

The New Testament teaches very clearly that it's God's will that all be saved so the devil inspired calvinism to spread the doctrine of demons that God only selected a few for salvation and is actively preventing all others from being saved.

That's nothing but a bunch of hootenanny, malarkey, and lies only those ignorant of God's Word would believe

Sovereign and having Dominion over all his creation.

And then the Lord gave dominion to man!

Genesis 1:26
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.

God created the world and all that is in it and gave man dominion over it.