OSAS : Gnostic Heresy

[rockytopva]

2 Peter 1:20

Reading on... For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. - 2 Peter 1:21

And they all spoke something different to the world as moved by the Holy Ghost.

How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying. - 1 Corinthians 14:26

 

[rockytopva]

Reading on... For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. - 2 Peter 1:21

And they all spoke something different to the world as moved by the Holy Ghost.

How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying. - 1 Corinthians 14:26

And speaking something regarding a psalm, doctrine, tongue, revelation, or an interpretation.... Does not make us a Gnostic.

 

[rockytopva]

If OSAS is a Gnostic heresy... Then... Anything non-Greek Orthodox is also Gnostic heresies. Leaving most of us Gnostics.

 

[GracePeace]

Amen! Fear and bondage to insecurity is no way to live the Christian life and prior to my conversion while still attending a church that taught a false gospel, I had absolutely no assurance of salvation and was miserable! It was not until after I received Jesus Christ through faith that I found eternal security in Jesus Christ. (1 John 5:11-13) Praise God!

This thread is not about the "practicality" of either position, only about the historical claim that the Church fought OSAS during its early years as part of its fight against Gnosticism, because OSAS was a doctrine unique to Gnostics.

 

[GracePeace]

Gnosticism and OSAS are two different worlds.

Empty claims--present historical counterclaims to the historical claims made in the video presentation.

 

[GracePeace]

If OSAS is a Gnostic heresy... Then... Anything non-Greek Orthodox is also Gnostic heresies. Leaving most of us Gnostics.

It does not at all follow : Gnostics had their set of deviations from the Gospel, and Orthodoxy developed its own deviations from the Gospel.

 

[GracePeace]

If I had a special revelation that this is the Laodicean church age and everyone needs to seek to become more secure in their salvation... Does not make me a Gnostic. Just because someone is different does not make them a Gnostic

You really ought to address the historical claims. You can't, right?

 

[GracePeace]

If I had a special revelation that this is the Laodicean church age and everyone needs to seek to become more secure in their salvation... Does not make me a Gnostic. Just because someone is different does not make them a Gnostic

No one is against anyone being "secure", the discussion is simply about historical claims.

 

[mailmandan]

thats funny

and here I have been told all this time OSAS came from the calvinist group..

I don't see where OSAS came from Gnosticism. Their teachings emphasize an individual's ability to attain gnosis (special knowledge) and spiritual enlightenment through personal effort and revelation, rather than relying on a concept of eternal security of the believer or the imputed righteousness of Christ as seen in OSAS. Many works-salvationists who strongly oppose OSAS typically teach that it came from Calvinism.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

And they all spoke something different to the world as moved by the Holy Ghost.

You can believe God's Word contradicts itself if you'd like.

That's one of the devil's tactics he's blinded you from finding out about.

And speaking something regarding a psalm, doctrine, tongue, revelation, or an interpretation.... Does not make us a Gnostic.

It does when it's some nutjob private interpretation not in line with God's Word... such as OSAS heresy. Enjoy!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You can believe God's Word contradicts itself if you'd like.

That's one of the devil's tactics he's blinded you from finding out about.

Gods word does not contradict itself

However. people can make Gods word contradict by the way they interpret different parts of Gods word.

Thats why Gods word interprets itself.

It does when it's some nutjob private interpretation not in line with God's Word... such as OSAS heresy. Enjoy!

lol.. Now saying salvation can be lost is one item that causes Gods word to contraidict itself.

OSAS has nothing to do with it

 

[Dan Clarkston]

lol.. Now saying salvation can be lost is one item that causes Gods word to contraidict itself.

OSAS has nothing to do with it

God's Word does not actually teach OSAS.

It teaches salvation is only applicable to those that are abiding IN CHRIST

Man y today get born again accepting Jesus as their Savior and then they don't abide in Christ, instead they live as sinners out in the world that never got born again and the Lord does not receive them in the end because they are workers of iniquity (walking after the flesh, not being led by the Holy Spirit)