OSAS : Gnostic Heresy

[rockytopva]

2 Peter 1:20

Reading on... For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. - 2 Peter 1:21

And they all spoke something different to the world as moved by the Holy Ghost.

How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying. - 1 Corinthians 14:26

 

[rockytopva]

Reading on... For the prophecy came not in old time by the will of man: but holy men of God spake as they were moved by the Holy Ghost. - 2 Peter 1:21

And they all spoke something different to the world as moved by the Holy Ghost.

How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying. - 1 Corinthians 14:26

And speaking something regarding a psalm, doctrine, tongue, revelation, or an interpretation.... Does not make us a Gnostic.

 

[rockytopva]

If OSAS is a Gnostic heresy... Then... Anything non-Greek Orthodox is also Gnostic heresies. Leaving most of us Gnostics.

 

[GracePeace]

Amen! Fear and bondage to insecurity is no way to live the Christian life and prior to my conversion while still attending a church that taught a false gospel, I had absolutely no assurance of salvation and was miserable! It was not until after I received Jesus Christ through faith that I found eternal security in Jesus Christ. (1 John 5:11-13) Praise God!

This thread is not about the "practicality" of either position, only about the historical claim that the Church fought OSAS during its early years as part of its fight against Gnosticism, because OSAS was a doctrine unique to Gnostics.

 

[GracePeace]

Gnosticism and OSAS are two different worlds.

Empty claims--present historical counterclaims to the historical claims made in the video presentation.

 

[GracePeace]

If OSAS is a Gnostic heresy... Then... Anything non-Greek Orthodox is also Gnostic heresies. Leaving most of us Gnostics.

It does not at all follow : Gnostics had their set of deviations from the Gospel, and Orthodoxy developed its own deviations from the Gospel.

 

[GracePeace]

If I had a special revelation that this is the Laodicean church age and everyone needs to seek to become more secure in their salvation... Does not make me a Gnostic. Just because someone is different does not make them a Gnostic

You really ought to address the historical claims. You can't, right?

 

[GracePeace]

If I had a special revelation that this is the Laodicean church age and everyone needs to seek to become more secure in their salvation... Does not make me a Gnostic. Just because someone is different does not make them a Gnostic

No one is against anyone being "secure", the discussion is simply about historical claims.

 

[mailmandan]

thats funny

and here I have been told all this time OSAS came from the calvinist group..

I don't see where OSAS came from Gnosticism. Their teachings emphasize an individual's ability to attain gnosis (special knowledge) and spiritual enlightenment through personal effort and revelation, rather than relying on a concept of eternal security of the believer or the imputed righteousness of Christ as seen in OSAS. Many works-salvationists who strongly oppose OSAS typically teach that it came from Calvinism.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

And they all spoke something different to the world as moved by the Holy Ghost.

You can believe God's Word contradicts itself if you'd like.

That's one of the devil's tactics he's blinded you from finding out about.

And speaking something regarding a psalm, doctrine, tongue, revelation, or an interpretation.... Does not make us a Gnostic.

It does when it's some nutjob private interpretation not in line with God's Word... such as OSAS heresy. Enjoy!

 

[Eternally Grateful]

You can believe God's Word contradicts itself if you'd like.

That's one of the devil's tactics he's blinded you from finding out about.

Gods word does not contradict itself

However. people can make Gods word contradict by the way they interpret different parts of Gods word.

Thats why Gods word interprets itself.

It does when it's some nutjob private interpretation not in line with God's Word... such as OSAS heresy. Enjoy!

lol.. Now saying salvation can be lost is one item that causes Gods word to contraidict itself.

OSAS has nothing to do with it

 

[Dan Clarkston]

lol.. Now saying salvation can be lost is one item that causes Gods word to contraidict itself.

OSAS has nothing to do with it

God's Word does not actually teach OSAS.

It teaches salvation is only applicable to those that are abiding IN CHRIST

Man y today get born again accepting Jesus as their Savior and then they don't abide in Christ, instead they live as sinners out in the world that never got born again and the Lord does not receive them in the end because they are workers of iniquity (walking after the flesh, not being led by the Holy Spirit)

 

[Eternally Grateful]

God's Word does not actually teach OSAS.

your right

it teaches eternal life and eternal security

It teaches salvation is only applicable to those that are abiding IN CHRIST

No. it teaches salvation to those who recieve his gift of life in Faith

Man y today get born again accepting Jesus as their Savior and then they don't abide in Christ, instead they live as sinners out in the world that never got born again and the Lord does not receive them in the end because they are workers of iniquity (walking after the flesh, not being led by the Holy Spirit)

so you are under law not under grace. Got it..

good luck with that

 

[Behold]

I don't see where OSAS came from Gnosticism.

It didnt.

OSAS, came from Religious Jews in Paul's day....who wanted to confused Christians about the Gospel.......So, they put a spin on it.. and this spin captivates the carnal flesh in the type of Chrisitan who is trying to stay saved by self effort, or law keeping or commandment keeping.
So, that type, wont have God's Grace, as they are SELF Righteous, and want to prove that THEY are in control and its up to THEM if they stay saved.

So, these Jews, in Paul's Day......understood this Self Righteousness in many Christians...., so, they created this "subverted Gospel" concept for THEM that teaches ....>"you are teaching that you can do anything you want, and not have any consequence""

See that? = OSAS.

So, the person who is involved in trying to stay saved.....hears that false gospel and they LOVE IT........>"oh YES" !!!.....becasue that teaching denies that God's Grace that is Jesus on the Cross is the GIFT of Salvation that both saves you and keeps you saved.
See these "OSAS obsessed" who hate the idea that God's Salvation is permanent and they can't earn it or lose it..... will not have "The Gift of Salvation" as that does not include their self effort and self righteousness.

So, its the LEGALIST who is the "OSAS"... fanatic, who always has to try to twist God's Grace into that early Jewish subversion false teaching of God's Grace.

 

[GracePeace]

The topic is a historical claim; being that that is the nature of the topic, in order for you to disprove the assertions made about OSAS, you have to bring historical counterclaims about OSAS.

 

[GracePeace]

I don't see where OSAS came from Gnosticism.

That's because you're answering a topic without knowing what you're answering, as Proverbs 18:13 warns against doing.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

in order for you to disprove the assertions made about OSAS, you have to bring historical counterclaims about OSAS.

Actually you need to prove it from God's Word which is easy to do and has been done on this forum already

If someone who is a new believe and is undecided about OSAS having just heard about it, what scripture references would you provide to them to show them OSAS is not true biblical doctrine?

Playing videos is nice and all and there may be some great information in them, but as you may have already discovered most people are not going to sit and watch a video.

They want to see some scripture references that refute OSAS, so please do share that with the readers

I don't see where OSAS came from Gnosticism.

Gnostics can't see that their pet doctrine is not biblical since they don't accept the whole counsel of God.

 

[mailmandan]

That's because you're answering a topic without knowing what you're answering, as Proverbs 18:13 warns against doing.

No, that's not it. I don't ever see much grace or peace in your responses.

 

[Dan Clarkston]

No, that's not it. I don't ever see much grace or peace in your responses.

The gnostics demand everyone accept their false OSAS doctrine and if they don't then the gnostics claim they are not walking in grace or peace

 

[GracePeace]

No, that's not it. I don't ever see much grace or peace in your responses.

1. Yeah, that is it : had you availed yourself of the information already shared in this thread, you wouldn't have said, "I just can't figure out where the idea that OSAS comes from Gnosticism comes from!" You are responding to a matter before hearing the matter, as Proverbs 18:13 says not to do.

2. The topic is not myself, nor peoples' opinions about myself; the topic is the historical claim that, early on in Christian history, OSAS was only known among the Gnostics, and the Church fought against OSAS as a matter of course in fighting against Gnosticism.