Quoting God is hate? If you don't have Christian works you're not a Christian! James said it 3 times to get your attention and you cry "out of context".
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You're TWISTING what James said!
James 2:20 (NKJV)
20 But do you want to know, O foolish man, that faith without works is dead?
Eternally Grateful
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Paul said if you try to work to earn salvation you are a fool
you can quote James out of context all you want, all you do is make yourself look bad,
romans 11 is not about individual salvation of anyone, period
Eternally Grateful
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Eternally Grateful
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Nope
you are
14 What does it profit, my brethren, if someone says he has faith but does not have works? Can faith save him?
he is talking to people who ClAIM to have faith, not people who have faith
these people were not saved because they had no faith, that’s WHY they had no works
ypur stuck on one sentence and ignore the whole passage
So YOU take Scriptures "out of context" just like you accused me of doing!
Eternally Grateful
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Eternally Grateful
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We are talking about how one becomes a christian. Not what a christian does
stick to the topic dude, if your going to attack my faith, stick to the topic! Or back off!!
mailmandan
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Amen! In James 2:14, we read of one who says/claims he has faith but has no evidential works (to validate his claim). That is not genuine faith, but a bare profession of faith. So when James asks, "Can that faith save him?" he is saying nothing against genuine faith, but only against an empty profession of faith/dead faith. So James does not teach that we are saved "by" works. His concern is to show the reality of the faith professed by the individual (James 2:18) and demonstrate that the faith claimed (James 2:14) by the individual is genuine. Simple!
In James 2:20, "faith without works is dead" does not mean that faith is dead until it produces works and then it becomes a living faith, which would be like saying that a tree is dead until it produces fruit and then it becomes a living tree. James is simply saying faith that is not accompanied by evidential works demonstrates that it's dead. Again, if someone merely says-claims they have faith, but lack resulting evidential works, then they have an empty profession of faith/dead faith and not authentic faith.
CadyandZoe
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Of course, you hit the nail on the head. Not disagreeing with you. Even so, earlier in the thread someone talked about "belief as mental ascent" to suggest that mental ascent alone isn't enough. I think James was making the same point in his epistle. And this speaks to the flavor of OSAS doctrine under review. Those who claim that a single, one-time, confession of faith qualifies an individual for a part in the resurrection have oversimplified the concept of faith. To suggest that belief is nothing more than a single confession is a misleading simplification of the idea.
It's easy for us to forget, I think, the significant implications associated with confessions of faith present during the first century when such confessions could cause loss of employment or even loss of life. Today, what can happen to me if I confess Christ? For some in the world, a confession of faith is a dangerous act. For others, not so much.
Anyway, I like where your head is at. Keep up the good word.
Eternally Grateful
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They don’t understand, James said no works
How many works is not works? Zero,zip nada,
in this case even 1 work would be considered a living faith, their go to verse destroys their own belief system and they can’t see it
How many works is not works? Zero,zip nada,
in this case even 1 work would be considered a living faith, their go to verse destroys their own belief system and they can’t see it
Eternally Grateful
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I call the, licentious people who are just as lost as the legalistic people. They teach you can say a prayer and by magic Your saved no matter what,
they do not teach osas, they may claim they do. But they do not
most of the time when these arguments come up, it is workers for trying to attack grace people, they call us all licentious, because because we focus on salvation by faith alone, and not works
we focus on justification not sanctification so we hate works and obedience, which is a lie
Many OSASers are very silent on this. Looks like they also believe unbelievers go to Heaven. Or maybe they are scratching their heads?
Eternally Grateful
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Eternally Grateful
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No person who truly believes in salvation by true living faith believes this
your slandering a faith based on a misunderstanding of the doctrine. Just because some believe it because they do not believe it does not mean the doctrine teaches it
your hatred has blinded you
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