Outgoing British Prime Minister Theresa May presides over European elections disaster

[farouk]

These comments were made in response to others in another thread; since the thread was going 'off-topic', I have started this thread instead, in respect of the Forums guidelines.

Outgoing British Prime Minister Theresa May might be a nice person, kind to cats, etc.

However, as the BBC's political editor Laura Kuenssberg has indicated, Mrs May has presided over an utter disaster for the Conservatives in the latest UK-wide poll, the European Assembly elections:

"The Tories' performance is historically dreadful. This is not just a little embarrassment or hiccup. In these elections the governing party has been completely smashed."

Main parties punished for Brexit contortions

This utter disaster for the Conservatives cannot be divorced from Mrs. May's three years of bungling the Brexit negotiations and failure to exit the UK from the EU which she had promised to do supposedly to honour the result of the Brexit Referendum in 2016. So many of the Conservatives are arguably proving rapidly that they prefer the UK Parliament to be a rubber stamp for big corporations who want to remain in the EU, whatever anyone — e.g., the British people, as expressed in the Referendum — says.

 

[farouk]

The BBC's Laura Kuenssberg has also said, in a similar vein, regarding outgoing British Prime Minister Theresa May:

"...she must know that the chapter in our history bearing her name will be about Brexit, and her failure to achieve it.

There was always perhaps a mismatch between the scale of the challenges and her political ability: overwhelming in the end for Theresa May, with the public and her party underwhelmed by her."

Kuenssberg: May was just overwhelmed

 

[Enoch111]

Theresa May's incompetence and lack of integrity were evident from day one. Why was she allowed to remain a major bungler all this time?

 

[farouk]

Theresa May's incompetence and lack of integrity were evident from day one. Why was she allowed to remain a major bungler all this time?

Because large corporations are to the British Conservatives what large corporations are to the US Republican Party.

The large corporations don't want the UK to leave the EU, whatever the British people say, or indeed have said in the result of the Brexit Referendum. So a lot of the Conservative Members of Parliament make disengenuous noises, but reflect what the big corporations want.

 

[farouk]

PS: The European Coal and Steel Community out of which the EU emerged, was substantially the promotion of William Donovan, the former OSS chief, who basically represented Wall Street. Future Western European leaders were already queuing up for largesse dispensed by OSS representative Allen Dulles (later CIA chief) in Berne, Switzerland, even as WW2 still raged.

 

[Helen]

Theresa May's incompetence and lack of integrity were evident from day one. Why was she allowed to remain a major bungler all this time?

..because it was in the plan, ruination of every stable country is always the agenda. She was obviously bought and paid for from the beginning. As are most leaders. At most , they are only figure heads and not 'the real power' of a leader. Puppets.

My two cents

 

[Butterfly]

It's not just been Thereasa May and the conservatives that have messed it up - labour and Jeremy Corbyn haven't exactly helped - in fact I am not so sure any of the politicians have helped.
In all fairness to Theresa May, if David Cameron hadn't run away from his responsibilities , she would not have had the role. Also there was another lady who was in the leadership race alongside Mrs May, she was a Christian- but she was just ridiculed in the press over something she said and it got so out of hand she stepped down.
Rita

 

[Enoch111]

In all fairness to Theresa May, if David Cameron hadn't run away from his responsibilities...

David Cameron was even worse in that he ran away because he was unwilling to do what was right (regardless of his own preferences). The UK has not had proper political leadership for quite some time. As for Corbyn and his gang of pathetic Communists, they should have already been shipped to Cuba (or just locked up).

 

[Butterfly]

Yes, Cameron never expected the vote to go against what he wanted - he used leaving the EU as a carrot to get people voting for him - it backfired ! ( that was such a cool moment )

 

[farouk]

It's not just been Thereasa May and the conservatives that have messed it up - labour and Jeremy Corbyn haven't exactly helped - in fact I am not so sure any of the politicians have helped.
In all fairness to Theresa May, if David Cameron hadn't run away from his responsibilities , she would not have had the role. Also there was another lady who was in the leadership race alongside Mrs May, she was a Christian- but she was just ridiculed in the press over something she said and it got so out of hand she stepped down.
Rita

I see Labour has now expelled Alastair Campbell.

He is only among just about the most effective, heavyweight defenders of Labour's cause that there have been in a generation — like him or not; personally, I don't. He managed public affairs as spokesman at a time when Messrs. Blair, Colin Powell, Ari Fleischer and others were dealing with the aftermath of 9/11. He is far from my favorite personality, but one has to admit his ability; one of the strings to his bow is Emeritus Professor of Media at Cambridge University. As it happens, I also strongly disagree with him on the EU.

In the US people who are registered members of one party often vote for another; it happens frequently; and people from one party serve in cabinets of Presidents from another party; it's not unusual.

Now the hard left rump around Mr Corbyn seem to have decided that even after the polls have closed people are not even allowed the freedom of speech to say how they voted in an already completed election.

Dr Garret Fitzgerald, Fine Gael Taoiseach of Ireland, admitted he had in the past voted for Fianna Fáil, yet he wasn't expelled from Fine Gael.

Maybe Irish republicans need to give Mr. Corbyn's faction a lesson in civics and tolerance.

I guess my point is that the rumbling disasters of the Conservatives and Labour are going on simultaneously. Meanwhile, the Brexit Party, seemingly come from nowhere, emerges as the largest party following the European elections.

And still the EU leaders and so many of the Conservatives in government seem incapable of even listening, instead of seemingly pursuing being rubber stamps to corporate interests.

 

[charity]

Hello there,

Teresa May, as with all other prime ministers before her, came into office with the very best of intentions I'm sure. It is easy to make comments and point the finger, but until we have worn her shoes for a while we are in no position to condemn her, or anyone else who genuinely desires to serve the country in public office. It is a hard and thankless job, and the weight of responsibility can be very heavy, especially when unsupported by the majority of one's own party.

I have watched 'Prime Minister's Question Time' on the television, and have wished that they had never decided to televise it, for it is a shameful display very often, and one that now the whole world can witness. Yet there are individual members of parliament standing up and representing their own constituencies with commendable patience and dogged determination in the face of all of that mayhem, for which they deserve our support and admiration.

We are taught to respect those in authority over us, but that respect has eroded to the point of near extinction over these last few years.

Chris

 

[farouk]

Hello there,

Teresa May, as with all other prime ministers before her, came into office with the very best of intentions I'm sure. It is easy to make comments and point the finger, but until we have worn her shoes for a while we are in no position to condemn her, or anyone else who genuinely desires to serve the country in public office. It is a hard and thankless job, and the weight of responsibility can be very heavy, especially when unsupported by the majority of one's own party.

I have watched 'Prime Minister's Question Time' on the television, and have wished that they had never decided to televise it, for it is a shameful display very often, and one that now the whole world can witness. Yet there are individual members of parliament standing up and representing their own constituencies with commendable patience and dogged determination in the face of all of that mayhem, for which they deserve our support and admiration.

We are taught to respect those in authority over us, but that respect has eroded to the point of near extinction over these last few years.

Chris

Who would want the job?

 

[farouk]

PS: Most of the declared candidates hoping to succeed Mrs May as leader are people I have never even heard of.

Maybe with possible impending, further electoral doom for them it won't matter much in the end who succeeds to the leadership, anyway.

 

[charity]

Who would want the job?

Who, indeed @farouk, I would not.

Teresa May is a human being with faults and failings like the rest of us, but her strength of purpose and courage in the face of adversity cannot be doubted. She deserves the respect due to her as someone who has tried very hard to do what only history will show to be either the right thing for the country or not.

Time will tell.

Chris

 

[farouk]

In all fairness to Theresa May, if David Cameron hadn't run away from his responsibilities , she would not have had the role.

On the one hand it could be said that by resigning Mr Cameron ran away from his responsibilities; on the other, with such a hugely different turn of events for which he was directly responsible, almost everything else he might have tried to do as Prime Minister if he had stayed would probably have been overshadowed by the Brexit Referendum results. I wasn't at all surprised that he quit. So to speak, why would anyone have listened to him, after what happened?

 

[farouk]

Who, indeed @farouk, I would not.

Teresa May is a human being with faults and failings like the rest of us, but her strength of purpose and courage in the face of adversity cannot be doubted. She deserves the respect due to her as someone who has tried very hard to do what only history will show to be either the right thing for the country or not.

Time will tell.

Chris

Yes, I believe the office of Prime Minister deserves respect.

In Mrs May situation, from the start she was between a rock and a hard place. On the one hand, big business - traditionally behind the Conservatives, wanted the UK to remain in the EU whatever anyone (inc. the British people, expressing themselves through the Referendum result) thought. On the other, Mrs. May had to be seen to be leading some kind of process, the professed end of which was to follow the result of the Referendum. The fact that successive Brexit Secretaries quit, indicating that what Mrs. May said publicly and what she negotiated in private with the EU were significantly different show that from the start there seems to have been a gulf between the government's professed aim and its strategic aim.

The Toronto Police have a motto: "Deeds speak".

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Respect for puppets ?

From what I have seen of May was she was just hopeless, she could of done it if she truly had the will to do it as she had the backing of the people, so it's the end of the story' it had a duty to up hold regardless.

It's the same in Australia of our PM's just puppets playing the people for fools, we had Abbott crowing on about being the hero conservative 24/7 but when it came down to putting such into practice, fat chance what a wimp that was totally hopeless and pathetic. no he was leading the Nation astray as was that Devil Turnbull that trumped him, this was only a game play as both are cut from the same cloth of a degenerate Satanic Jesuit order.

 

[Enoch111]

In Mrs May situation, from the start she was between a rock and a hard place.

If so, she could have just resigned and asked someone with some serious capabilities to take over. There can be no excuses for duplicitous May. If the Queen really had royal powers (which she does not) she would have fired May and replaced her immediately.

 

[Lady Crosstalk]

Because large corporations are to the British Conservatives what large corporations are to the US Republican Party.

The large corporations don't want the UK to leave the EU, whatever the British people say, or indeed have said in the result of the Brexit Referendum. So a lot of the Conservative Members of Parliament make disengenuous noises, but reflect what the big corporations want.

Canadians really have a hard time understanding American politics. The part of big business in the States has shifted over to the Democrats. The Democrats are also the party which seeks to use the tactics of fascists to quiet the dissent of conservatives who are fighting for freedom. Donald Trump has had to battle Dems and some in his own party who are totally sold out to the Deep State. The Deep State is totalitarian in its orientation and they really don't care whether the U.S. succumbs to communist oppression or fascistic oppression. What they want is complete control of the masses. And either one will serve their purposes. They hammer away at the Second Amendment to the Constitution (Obama was off in Europe today trashing the 2nd A.) because every would be totalitarian system takes weapons out of the hands of the people so that they will have no means to defend themselves against a tyrannical government. That is why the Second Amendment was put there. Conservatives (and only a portion of the Republican Party are true conservatives who seek to protect what Americans have as their inheritance from the freedom-loving founders who hated tyranny--especially from European bankers.

 

[farouk]

If so, she could have just resigned and asked someone with some serious capabilities to take over. There can be no excuses for duplicitous May. If the Queen really had royal powers (which she does not) she would have fired May and replaced her immediately.

In some ways Mrs May belongs to the finest traditions of ambiguity mastered by former British Prime Ministers such as Harold Wilson.

With Mrs. Thatcher, on the other hand — and of course Sir Winston Churchill — one knew where one stood.

To Howard Hunt, the Watergate plumber-in-chief, is attributed the phrase 'the darkness reaching out for the darkness', which he claimed described President Nixon. I certainly don't deny that Mrs May is a personable individual who pursued her high responsibilities with vigour; at a personal level, to say that 'the darkness reaching out for the darkness' applies to Mrs May would be unfair. The calculated projection of a seemingly benevolent ambiguity, however, underlies a tenacious pursuit of real goals which can remain hidden until their contradictions burst forth irrevocably, as they seem to have done. In some ways on the Labour side, Harriet Harman is a very similar politician: with an incisive and persuasive flair for presentation and publicity put to the use of party interests.

Seemingly at the moment, though, both the Conservatives and Labour are in the process of being broken by Europe (plus by unrelated factors besides), and all the skills at persuasive presentation and benevolent ambiguity is unlikely to change this now.