Paralambanetai

[Lambano]

I got mad skill man

Impressive!

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Impressive!

Just remember, you started the 16 page pub crawl by the name you yourself chose.

 

[Lambano]

And especially when you take the valid translation of “taken” along with #2 of the first definition given for the Greek word, you cannot help but come away with…a person sleeping in a bed is taken and not rejected and is acknowledged to be (by the one who is taking him/etai) what he professes to be.

Given the comparison to the Flood "taking away" (different word "airos") everybody in the immediate context, being "taken" might not be a good thing.

 

[Truth7t7]

Yes, that’s what I’m saying! The translation from paralambanetai TO “taken because of a falling away from the faith” makes zero sense to my brain.

2 Thessalonians 2:3KJV
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Strong’s Definitions
ἀποστασία apostasía, ap-os-tas-ee'-ah; feminine of the same as G647; defection from truth (properly, the state) ("apostasy"):—falling away, forsake.

KJV Translation Count — Total: 2x
The KJV translates Strong's G646 in the following manner: to forsake (with G575) (1x), falling away (1x).

 

[Lambano]

Just remember, you started the 16 page pub crawl by the name you yourself chose.

My reference was John 1:12: But as many as received (λαμβάνω) Him, to them He gave the right to become children of God, to those who believe in His name. In case you were wondering.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Given the comparison to the Flood "taking away" (different word "airos") everybody in the immediate context, being "taken" might not be a good thing.

Ah…no, don’t! Look at the definition I just gave for the Greek word. Does it in any way give you the notion that a bad thing is happening to those taken?

Yes, the flood took them away. But FIRST, Noah was taken to the ark and the door shut. And yes, the men of sodom were destroyed with fire, but FIRST, Lot was taken to safety.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

2 Thessalonians 2:3KJV
3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Strong’s Definitions
ἀποστασία apostasía, ap-os-tas-ee'-ah; feminine of the same as G647; defection from truth (properly, the state) ("apostasy"):—falling away, forsake.

KJV Translation Count — Total: 2x
The KJV translates Strong's G646 in the following manner: to forsake (with G575) (1x), falling away (1x).

That’s not the verse I’m referring to…it’s also not the Greek word I’m referring to.

 

[Truth7t7]

That’s not the verse I’m referring to…

What post number is your scripture and claim

 

[Lambano]

Ah…no, don’t! Look at the definition I just gave for the Greek word. Does it in any way give you the notion that a bad thing is happening?

I'm looking at context to help understand meaning.

What also stands out to me is that the word for "left" at the end of the verse, ἀφίημι, also can mean "Forgiven".

("Forgiven" is an important word to me. Maybe I should change my screen name to "Aphiemi".)

 

[stunnedbygrace]

What post number is your scripture and claim

It is concerning the verse about one taken and the other left. The Greek word translated as “taken” is paralambanetai. Here is the definition of this Greek word:

Definition

1. to take to, to take with one's self, to join to one's self
   1. an associate, a companion
   2. metaph.
      1. to accept or acknowledge one to be such as he professes to be
      2. not to reject, not to withhold obedience
2. to receive something transmitted
   1. an office to be discharged
   2. to receive with the mind
      1. by oral transmission: of the authors from whom the tradition proceeds
      2. by the narrating to others, by instruction of teachers (used of disciples)

And especially when you take the valid translation of “taken” along with #2 of the first definition given for the Greek word, you cannot help but come away with…a person sleeping in a bed is taken and not rejected and is acknowledged to be (by the one who is taking him/etai) what he professes to be.

So, for someone to (in their mind) connect and insist that this “taken” is due to apostasy makes zero sense to me. Look at the definition of the word-it does not GET you there. I don’t know how someone makes that leap and that assumption.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

I'm looking at context to help understand meaning.

What also stands out to me is that the word for "left" at the end of the verse, ἀφίημι, also can mean "Forgiven".

("Forgiven" is an important word to me. Maybe I should change my screen name to "Aphiemi".)

Now who’s staggering around grabbing lampposts??
My mind says: why is a sleeping man taken? Who takes him and why?

 

[Lambano]

Lambano said: What post number is your scripture and claim

Hey, fix your references, please.

 

[stunnedbygrace]

Hey, fix your references, please.

Yeah, I saw that. Big mystery!

 

[Lambano]

My mind says: why is a sleeping man taken? Who takes him and why?

What was the purpose of the Flood?

 

[stunnedbygrace]

What was the purpose of the Flood?

No! No, no, no! Look at the definition of the Greek word! You cannot possibly come up with what you are coming up with if you do. Look at the ENTIRE definition.

 

[Lambano]

Now who’s staggering around grabbing lampposts??

Sculptor Michael Garman has this one sculpture that depicts a drunk relieving himself on a fire hydrant. The drunk looked remarkably like my late father-in-law, so I had to buy it. My father-in-law found it quite amusing; my wife did not.

The analogy to these eschatology threads....

 

[Lambano]

No! No, no, no! Look at the definition of the Greek word! You cannot possibly come up with what you are coming up with if you do. Look at the ENTIRE definition.

What assumptions are you making about who's doing the taking, who's being taken, and what happens to them after the taking?

 

[stunnedbygrace]

What assumptions are you making about who's doing the taking, who's being taken, and what happens to them after the taking?

Try this. Look at the definition for the word and tell me, in 30 words or less, what paralambano means. Try to use the entire definition to come to some sort of well rounded and slightly exhaustive explanation. Pretend you are Greek and are trying to tell me, a foreigner, what paralambano means.

 

[Lambano]

What assumptions are you making about who's doing the taking, who's being taken, and what happens to them after the taking?

And does it even matter? The real point is in the next verse:

“Therefore be on the alert, for you do not know which day your Lord is coming."

 

[Lambano]

Try this. Look at the definition for the word and tell me, in 30 words or less, what paralambano means. Try to use the entire definition to come to some sort of well rounded and slightly exhaustive explanation. Pretend you are Greek and are trying to tell me, a foreigner, what paralambano means.

A better question is, "Why is Jesus telling us these parables?"