PAUL WROTE DO NOT LISTEN TO THE PRETRIB RAPTURE TEACHERS

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Never place the Rapture before the Resurrection, which is what satan does = reversal of God's words/commands,

AND

the Resurrection only takes place at His Second Coming
The time when the dead in Christ rise first then we which remain follow is the Rapture. The return of Jesus to the earth is with us. The Rapture is for us.
AND

there is only one Second Coming of Christ

1 Thess 4:13-18
Brothers, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you will not grieve like the rest, who are without hope. For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, we also believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in Him.

Don't conflate the return when He brings us with Him with the Rapture when He calls up up to be with Him where He is.
By the word of the Lord, we declare to you that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who have fallen asleep. For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a loud command, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God, and the dead in Christ will be the first to rise.
That is the Rapture.
 

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The time when the dead in Christ rise first then we which remain follow is the Rapture. The return of Jesus to the earth is with us. The Rapture is for us.


Don't conflate the return when He brings us with Him with the Rapture when He calls up up to be with Him where He is.

That is the Rapture.
Please read 1 Thessalonians again and allow the scripture to speak as 'it is written'.

Jesus is only bringing the spirits of the saints who have died, from Heaven, where they are now with the Lord.

Please review this Blessing and Commandment - Proverbs 30:5-6

Every word of God is pure;
He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him.
Do not add to His words,
Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar.

Peace
 

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Please read 1 Thessalonians again and allow the scripture to speak as 'it is written'.

Jesus is only bringing the spirits of the saints who have died, from Heaven, where they are now with the Lord.

Please review this Blessing and Commandment - Proverbs 30:5-6

Every word of God is pure;
He is a shield to those who put their trust in Him.
Do not add to His words,
Lest He rebuke you, and you be found a liar.

Peace
1 Thess 4:13-18
Brothers, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you will not grieve like the rest, who are without hope. For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, we also believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in Him.
All the dead in Christ are part of the Bride that returns with Him, as are the folks who happened to be alive and raised to new bodies as well at that time when we go up to meet Him in the air. The believers who had died before this also get raised to new bodies like us.
 
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The time when the dead in Christ rise first then we which remain follow is the Rapture. The return of Jesus to the earth is with us. The Rapture is for us.


Don't conflate the return when He brings us with Him with the Rapture when He calls up up to be with Him where He is.

That is the Rapture.
"Yes" The Church Will Be Present on Earth, There Won't Be A Pre-Tribulation Rapture, Don't Be Deceived

"The Church" seen in Luke 21 below, those who are persecuted for the name of Jesus Christ, they will be eyewitnesses of the future great tribulation and second coming of Jesus in the heavens, your claim of a pre-tribulation rapture would be false

The Tribulation verses 25-26 below, the Second Coming verses 27-28 below

"Yes" The Church On Earth, Hated By The World For The Name Of Jesus (Verse 17)

Luke 21:17 & 25-28KJV

17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.

25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
 
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1 Thess 4:13-18
Brothers, we do not want you to be uninformed about those who sleep in death, so that you will not grieve like the rest, who are without hope. For since we believe that Jesus died and rose again, we also believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in Him.
All the dead in Christ are part of the Bride that returns with Him, as are the folks who happened to be alive and raised to new bodies as well at that time when we go up to meet Him in the air. The believers who had died before this also get raised to new bodies like us.

1 Thessalonians 4:15-17 Isn't A Pre-Tribulation Rapture, Dont Be Deceived​


The main scripture used by supporters of the (Pre-Trib Rapture) is 1 Thess 4:15-17 below, this is nothing more than the (Second Coming) (Last Day) resurrection, not a (Pre-Trib Rapture), don't be deceived

1. Is a resurrection of the believer seen in 1 Thess 4:15-17 below, 100% Yes!

2. Does this resurrection take place on the (Last Day) as Jesus Christ taught below in John 6:39-40, 100% Yes!

3. Is the (Last Day) the time of final judgement as Jesus Christ taught in John 12:48 below, 100% Yes!

Many deny the truth of Gods words below, that are simple, clear, and very easy to understand.

(THE SECOND COMING, LAST DAY RESURRECTION)

1 Thessalonians 4:15-17KJV
15 For this we say unto you by the word of the Lord, that we which are alive and remain unto the coming of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep.
16 For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first:
17 Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.

(THE LAST DAY RESURRECTION)

John 5:28-29KJV
28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
29 And shall come forth
; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

John 6:39-40KJV
39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.
40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

(THE LAST DAY JUDGEMENT)

John 12:48KJV
48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.
 

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"Yes" The Church Will Be Present on Earth, There Won't Be A Pre-Tribulation Rapture, Don't Be Deceived

No. God promised to come for us.
"The Church" seen in Luke 21 below, those who are persecuted for the name of Jesus Christ, they will be eyewitnesses of the future great tribulation and second coming of Jesus in the heavens, your claim of a pre-tribulation rapture would be false

The Tribulation verses 25-26 below, the Second Coming verses 27-28 below

"Yes" The Church On Earth, Hated By The World For The Name Of Jesus (Verse 17)

Luke 21:17 & 25-28KJV

17 And ye shall be hated of all men for my name's sake.

25 And there shall be signs in the sun, and in the moon, and in the stars; and upon the earth distress of nations, with perplexity; the sea and the waves roaring;
26 Men's hearts failing them for fear, and for looking after those things which are coming on the earth: for the powers of heaven shall be shaken.
27 And then shall they see the Son of man coming in a cloud with power and great glory.
28 And when these things begin to come to pass, then look up, and lift up your heads; for your redemption draweth nigh.
You conflate the church, which is Raptured, with the new believers that will exist after the Rapture. Do not claim that those who have it strait are deceived.
 

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No. God promised to come for us.

You conflate the church, which is Raptured, with the new believers that will exist after the Rapture. Do not claim that those who have it strait are deceived.
No such thing as a pre-tribulation rapture found in scripture, it's a fabricated fairy tale of John N. Darby 1830's and supported by Adulterer C.I. Scofield in his 1909 reference Bible

Jesus returns in fire and final judgement (The End)
 
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To understand this one must understand that God's Wrath is when God also allows the Anti-Christ to go forth conquering as the Beast.
God's wrath on mankind is not when Anti-Christ goes forth to conquer. (Insert: He does use other's/armies to do his will though.) Why? Because after the Man of Sin has had 42 mo's, it says at the end of Rev 11 it is time to destroy those that destroy the earth. Constantly, people assume all the Trumpets are wrath on mankind. They are not and this is something we will disagree with each other on. There is over a page dedicated to just Mystery Babylon. Its destruction answers the question of the 5th seal martyr's. It's destruction causes what follows in the trumpets. Why does Christ need to make mankind suffer for 7 years? Then make them suffer in the lake of fire after their suffering. That is what you are saying.

Secondly, what Beast? There are 2 Beasts and the man of sin is only one of them.

Thus the passage you are referring to (2. Thess. 2) does not say anything about DEPARTING the Faith, its speaking about the church DEPARTING this earth
That is offensive. Not taking the word of God as it is written and doing with it whatever you can to try and prove something that doesn't exist. Dr. Ice is right when he said, that the word apostasia is a departure. But it is never a physical departure. As you even wrote, it is found in one other place in Acts and there, the argument was a spiritual departure from the law of Moses.

From Biblehub:
Definition: defection, revolt
Usage: defection, apostasy, revolt.
HELPS Word-studies
646 apostasía (from 868 /aphístēmi, "leave, depart," which is derived from 575 /apó, "away from" and 2476 /histémi, "stand") – properly, departure (implying desertion); apostasy – literally, "a leaving, from a previous standing."

So, let's read this again.
KJV

Verse: Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Statement: Let's look at the context. What day? The day Paul just spoke about in the previous 2 verses.

Verse: Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

Statement: The "day" that shall not come till an apostasia comes first is the day Christ appears (his parousia) and we are gathered to him.

If we took this as you read it, it would look like this:

Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come (our gathering together unto Him), except there come a falling away first (our gathering together unto Him), and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

How does our gathering to Him not come till our gathering to Him comes?

Secondly, Paul says,
And you know what is now restraining him, so that he may be revealed at the proper time.

According to how you rewrite the meaning of apostasia, the thing that restrains is our NOT gathering to Christ that when we do gather he's unrestrained. That is eisegesis.

Paul just told us what is restraining. The restrained is the righteous and faithful preaching of the true Gospel. Departing from true faith is what brings the departure. This is what gives way to the man of sin when those who went out from us were not of us. The apostate and unbeliever doesn't fear (Reverence) God and his laws. It is a major theme throughout Revelation.

Rev 14:7
Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

It doesnt say, Prepare to suffer my Wrath as it goes forth. Time to punish the wicked on Earth. No, the angel says fear Him. It is a warning to change before its too late.

Fear of God requires faith; Faith coupled with fear restrains lawlessness. The absence of that allows wickedness to grow and the man of sin to be revealed. In Luke 18:1-8, the unjust judge doesn't fear God or man. The end result? Will God find faith on Earth?

Acts 3:21
Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

Christ cannot leave Heaven 7 years (Pre-TB timeline) before the end because Acts 3:21 makes it impossible. Are all things restored? They haven't even been removed yet! Not just that, but that restitution is the redemption of our body when we are changed per Romans 8:21-23
And we are sealed with the HG till that redemption -Ephesians 4:30
Lastly, Christ says in Matthew 19:28, In the regeneration, Christ will sit on his throne. Christ doesn't not sit on his throne in the regeneration till the Kingdoms of the world becomes his at the 7th trumpet.
So, the Church is Raptured, and the Anti-Christ is on the scene, (as the E.U. President he accepts Israel as an E.U. Member State)
Why are you making the rapture more important than the resurrection of the dead? In the Bible, what was more miraculous? The dead back to life and changed or the living changed? What was more preached since Job?

I'd study the words "alive and remain" if I were you. What is the living who are "alive and remain", alive from? You know the word also means "survive". What do the raptured survive on a Pre-TB timeline because it seems they don't survive anything- since they are off world before anything happens. In order to survive something and to remain alive as apart from being dead like others, one must go through it even if they did not endure it.
Which is also a reflection of Noah, Rahab, the Israelites, the Jews under Xerxes when the command was given to destroy them all in all provinces nor was it with Lot. They were all "alive and remain" or survived and none of them went off world. They trusted in God to keep them safe in the shadow of his eagle wings. Do you not think God can keep us safe and away from harm while punishing others? Didnt he do just that to the Egyptians and kept the Jews safe? Won't the 144k be safe?

And then you reveal what really drives you to think this way. You assume Israel will join the E.U. and the man of sin is some E.U. President. I don't like to dabble in "what If's" or great speculation. I'm a man and as such I cannot see the future. Nor am I a soothsayer/astrologer or some other type trying to prophesize something only God knows (I'm not saying you are these things either). We have what God gave us by his word and let us only use that. Anything else can bring doctrines of demons.

The Holy Spirit working through the Church STOPS the Anti-Christ
Why doesn't Paul reference the HS anywhere as doing just that? He only mentions the apostasia. He concludes by saying,
"And now ye know". He just told us what it was. And he follows up on what it is when he says, only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. He who restrains (lawlessness) will continue to do so until he is taking out of the way. He is referring back to his original context of the apostate as being taken out of the way, no longer restraining lawlessness but joining/turning a blind eye to lawlessness.

To whom, then, is the mystery of that lawlessness now known? Not to all those who are contributing to its ultimate manifestation, for most of them are deceived by it (2Thessalonians 2:10), and, while sharers in the Apostasy, still believe themselves members of the Church.

I want to conclude with this, 1 Timothy 4:1, Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
 
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God's wrath on mankind is not when Anti-Christ goes forth to conquer. (Insert: He does use other's/armies to do his will though.) Why? Because after the Man of Sin has had 42 mo's, it says at the end of Rev 11 it is time to destroy those that destroy the earth. Constantly, people assume all the Trumpets are wrath on mankind. They are not and this is something we will disagree with each other on. There is over a page dedicated to just Mystery Babylon. Its destruction answers the question of the 5th seal martyr's. It's destruction causes what follows in the trumpets. Why does Christ need to make mankind suffer for 7 years? Then make them suffer in the lake of fire after their suffering. That is what you are saying.

Secondly, what Beast? There are 2 Beasts and the man of sin is only one of them.


That is offensive. Not taking the word of God as it is written and doing with it whatever you can to try and prove something that doesn't exist. Dr. Ice is right when he said, that the word apostasia is a departure. But it is never a physical departure. As you even wrote, it is found in one other place in Acts and there, the argument was a spiritual departure from the law of Moses.

From Biblehub:
Definition: defection, revolt
Usage: defection, apostasy, revolt.
HELPS Word-studies
646 apostasía (from 868 /aphístēmi, "leave, depart," which is derived from 575 /apó, "away from" and 2476 /histémi, "stand") – properly, departure (implying desertion); apostasy – literally, "a leaving, from a previous standing."

So, let's read this again.
KJV

Verse: Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

Statement: Let's look at the context. What day? The day Paul just spoke about in the previous 2 verses.

Verse: Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

Statement: The "day" that shall not come till an apostasia comes first is the day Christ appears (his parousia) and we are gathered to him.

If we took this as you read it, it would look like this:

Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come (our gathering together unto Him), except there come a falling away first (our gathering together unto Him), and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

How does our gathering to Him not come till our gathering to Him comes?

Secondly, Paul says,
And you know what is now restraining him, so that he may be revealed at the proper time.

According to how you rewrite the meaning of apostasia, the thing that restrains is our NOT gathering to Christ that when we do gather he's unrestrained. That is eisegesis.

Paul just told us what is restraining. The restrained is the righteous and faithful preaching of the true Gospel. Departing from true faith is what brings the departure. This is what gives way to the man of sin when those who went out from us were not of us. The apostate and unbeliever doesn't fear (Reverence) God and his laws. It is a major theme throughout Revelation.

Rev 14:7
Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.

It doesnt say, Prepare to suffer my Wrath as it goes forth. Time to punish the wicked on Earth. No, the angel says fear Him. It is a warning to change before its too late.

Fear of God requires faith; Faith coupled with fear restrains lawlessness. The absence of that allows wickedness to grow and the man of sin to be revealed. In Luke 18:1-8, the unjust judge doesn't fear God or man. The end result? Will God find faith on Earth?

Acts 3:21
Whom the heaven must receive until the times of restitution of all things, which God hath spoken by the mouth of all his holy prophets since the world began.

Christ cannot leave Heaven 7 years (Pre-TB timeline) before the end because Acts 3:21 makes it impossible. Are all things restored? They haven't even been removed yet! Not just that, but that restitution is the redemption of our body when we are changed per Romans 8:21-23
And we are sealed with the HG till that redemption -Ephesians 4:30
Lastly, Christ says in Matthew 19:28, In the regeneration, Christ will sit on his throne. Christ doesn't not sit on his throne in the regeneration till the Kingdoms of the world becomes his at the 7th trumpet.

Why are you making the rapture more important than the resurrection of the dead? In the Bible, what was more miraculous? The dead back to life and changed or the living changed? What was more preached since Job?

I'd study the words "alive and remain" if I were you. What is the living who are "alive and remain", alive from? You know the word also means "survive". What do the raptured survive on a Pre-TB timeline because it seems they don't survive anything- since they are off world before anything happens. In order to survive something and to remain alive as apart from being dead like others, one must go through it even if they did not endure it.
Which is also a reflection of Noah, Rahab, the Israelites, the Jews under Xerxes when the command was given to destroy them all in all provinces nor was it with Lot. They were all "alive and remain" or survived and none of them went off world. They trusted in God to keep them safe in the shadow of his eagle wings. Do you not think God can keep us safe and away from harm while punishing others? Didnt he do just that to the Egyptians and kept the Jews safe? Won't the 144k be safe?

And then you reveal what really drives you to think this way. You assume Israel will join the E.U. and the man of sin is some E.U. President. I don't like to dabble in "what If's" or great speculation. I'm a man and as such I cannot see the future. Nor am I a soothsayer/astrologer or some other type trying to prophesize something only God knows (I'm not saying you are these things either). We have what God gave us by his word and let us only use that. Anything else can bring doctrines of demons.


Why doesn't Paul reference the HS anywhere as doing just that? He only mentions the apostasia. He concludes by saying,
"And now ye know". He just told us what it was. And he follows up on what it is when he says, only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way. He who restrains (lawlessness) will continue to do so until he is taking out of the way. He is referring back to his original context of the apostate as being taken out of the way, no longer restraining lawlessness but joining/turning a blind eye to lawlessness.

To whom, then, is the mystery of that lawlessness now known? Not to all those who are contributing to its ultimate manifestation, for most of them are deceived by it (2Thessalonians 2:10), and, while sharers in the Apostasy, still believe themselves members of the Church.

I want to conclude with this, 1 Timothy 4:1, Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
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Departure is used BUT not in support of pre-trib or of he Saints being taken off the earth.

As you stated, the 'departure' is from what God has said we must believe in order to be Saved = the falling away.

ALSO = "in the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established/confirmed."

Apostle John bears witness to Daniel, Matt ch24, and 2 Thess ch2

1 John 2:18-19
"Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour.
They went out from us/DEPARTURE, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us."
 
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The Rapture of the Bride of Christ will occur after the "time of the Gentiles" end, and just before the Tribulation begins.
You said: - "and just before the Tribulation begins.'

There is not a single Scripture declaration that states this = not one!
 
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@Ronald D Milam @The Light @ewq1938 @St. SteVen @St. Joseph @amigo de christo @Truth7t7

Departure is used BUT not in support of pre-trib or of he Saints being taken off the earth.

As you stated, the 'departure' is from what God has said we must believe in order to be Saved = the falling away.

ALSO = "in the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be established/confirmed."

Apostle John bears witness to Daniel, Matt ch24, and 2 Thess ch2

1 John 2:18-19
"Little children, it is the last hour; and as you have heard that the Antichrist is coming, even now many antichrists have come, by which we know that it is the last hour.
They went out from us/DEPARTURE, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us; but they went out that they might be made manifest, that none of them were of us."

Yes, apostasia means a moral type of departure. Apostasy is the best translation. It's an abandonment of the Christian faith to a false faith.
 
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You said: - "and just before the Tribulation begins.'

There is not a single Scripture declaration that states this = not one!

There is not a single verse that says the "bride of Christ" will be in the Trib.

But there is a verse that says that the born again are saved from the "wrath to come".

So, that means the Bride of Christ wont be down here when al Hell breaks loose with the Devil running the show.
She will be In Heaven, looking down on it.
 

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There is not a single verse that says the "bride of Christ" will be in the Trib.

Not a single verse has any English words either. You employ a logical fallacy known as the argument from silence. Christians will be in the GT. Call them the Church, Bride or whatever name...they are there and they are the entire purpose of the GT, to face tribulation and wrath from satan. Many will be killed but those who are alive and remain and are survivors of the GT will be raptured after being changed to immortals.
 
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Not a single verse has any English words either. You employ a logical fallacy known as the argument from silence.

You can stay down here, as you seem to need it.

I wont be down here, as Im a part of the Bride, and Jesus didn't save His Bride to turn them over to Satan in the Trib.

Im in Chapter 19
 
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There is not a single verse that says the "bride of Christ" will be in the Trib.

But there is a verse that says that the born again are saved from the "wrath to come".

So, that means the Bride of Christ wont be down here when al Hell breaks loose with the Devil running the show.
She will be In Heaven, looking down on it.
Many many verses that declare the Bride of Christ = His Elect = the Saints will be on earth during the Tribulation.

Here is the first one - Matthew ch24

While Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to Him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will these things happen, and what will be the sign of Your coming and of the end of the age?”

4Jesus answered, “See to it that no one deceives you. 5For many will come in My name, claiming, ‘I am the Christ,’ and will deceive many. 6You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. These things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8All these are the beginning of birth pains.

9Then they will deliver you over to be persecuted and killed, and you will be hated by all nations because of My name. 10At that time many will fall away and will betray and hate one another, 11and many false prophets will arise and mislead many.

12Because of the multiplication of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold. 13But the one who perseveres to the end will be saved.

14And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
 
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are the entire purpose of the GT, to face tribulation and wrath from satan. Many will be killed but those who are alive and remain and are survivors of the GT will be raptured after being changed to immortals.

There will be people who are saved in the Trib and GRT Trib.
That's True.

But the Born again, in the "time of the Gentiles'....... you are in it.....wont need to be saved THEN, as we are SAVED NOW.
 
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12Because of the multiplication of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold. 13But the one who perseveres to the end will be saved.

Yes, those are unsaved people who were saved in the Trib-Grt Trib.
They have to ENDURE to the end of it, as your verse teaches.

However, the born again, (Im one) ......i wont be getting saved in the Trib, as im saved already.

im already "seated in Heavenly places"....."In Christ"......"One with God".

So, me and the billions like me, who are BORN AGAIN right now, wont be in the Trib, becoming a Chrisitan.
Why?
Because we are there, already.

So, as i said.
You can stay, and get saved then....
But, if you die before the Trib starts, , not being saved yet, because you are waiting on the Trib, then you'll go to Hell.

If i was you, i would not wait.
 

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There will be people who are saved in the Trib and GRT Trib.
That's True.

But the Born again, in the "time of the Gentiles'....... you are in it.....wont need to be saved THEN, as we are SAVED NOW.
Correct = People will continue to be SAVED by His Blood right up to His Coming

"And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come."

There is no rapture before His Coming = it does not exist in scripture!
Pre-trib rapture is man-made/centered false teaching/prophecy.

There is no 'special lift-off' or elitism in the Body of Christ.
Pre-trib rapture is anti-gospel, anti-scriptural and anti-christ
 
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Correct = People will continue to be SAVED by His Blood right up to His Coming

"And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come."

The born again, are already born again.
We are ALREADY saved.
We are not waiting for our Salvation, as Christ on the CROSS is our Salvation.

Being BORN AGAIN... = proves we have it, already.

You are invited to join us.
 
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