Keep telling yourself that!!! But we all know Roman Catholicism WORSHIPS MARY without even the shadow of a doubt. Just listen to 'em talk and it's clear.
she is the mother of grace and salvation not she is not God!
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Keep telling yourself that!!! But we all know Roman Catholicism WORSHIPS MARY without even the shadow of a doubt. Just listen to 'em talk and it's clear.
It is the official position of the Roman Catholic Church that Jesus’ mother Mary remained a virgin for her entire life. Is this concept biblical?
Really?
First it is important to understand why the Roman Catholic Church believes in the perpetual virginity of Mary. The Roman Catholic Church views Mary as "the Mother of God" and "Queen of Heaven." Catholics believe Mary to have an exalted place in Heaven, with the closest access to Jesus and God the Father. Such a concept is nowhere taught in Scripture.
mother of God Lk 1:43
Queen of heaven Lk 1:32-33
Further, even if Mary did occupy such an exalted position, her having sexual intercourse would not have prevented her from gaining such a position. Sex in marriage is not sinful. Mary would have in no way defiled herself by having sexual relations with Joseph her husband. The entire concept of the perpetual virginity of Mary is based on an unbiblical teaching, Mary as Queen of Heaven, and on an unbiblical understanding of sex.
Mary being conceived in immaculate purity and full of grace always saw the vision of God and loved Him totally and offered herself completely to Him forever
Only by a vow of virginity does Lk 1:34 make sense
Immaculate conception gen 3:15 Lk 1:28 rev 12:1
So, what does the Bible say about the perpetual virginity of Mary? Using the New American Bible, which is a Catholic translation, we can see that the perpetual virginity of Mary is not taught in the Bible. Matthew 1:25 NAB tells us, "He had no relations with her until she bore a son, and he named him Jesus." He, Joseph, did not have sexual relations with her, Mary, UNTIL after she bore a son, Jesus." The meaning of this Scripture is abundantly clear. Joseph and Mary did not have sexual relations until after Jesus was born. Matthew 13:55-56 NAB declares, "Is He not the carpenter’s son? Is not his mother named Mary and his brothers James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas? Are not His sisters all with us?" Catholics claim, correctly, that the Greek terms for "brothers" and "sisters" in these verses could also refer to male and female relatives, not necessarily literal brothers and sisters. However, the intended meaning is clear, they thought Jesus to be Joseph’s son, the son of Mary, and the brother of James, Joseph, Simon, and Judas, and the brother of the unnamed and unnumbered sisters. Father, mother, brother, sister. It is straining the meaning of the text to interpret “brothers” and “sisters” as "cousins" or "relatives" with the mentioning of Jesus’ mother and father.
no it does not say they had sex Lk 1:34 no sex see below for the brothers
Matthew 12:46 NAB tells us, "While He was still speaking to the crowds, His mother and His brothers appeared outside, wishing to speak with Him." See also Mark 3:31-34; Luke 8:19-21; John 2:12; and Acts 1:14. All mention Jesus’ mother with His brothers. If they were His cousins, or the sons of Joseph from a previous marriage, why were they mentioned with Mary so often? The idea of the perpetual virginity of Mary cannot be drawn from Scripture. It must be forced on Scripture, in contradiction to what the Scriptures clearly state.
she is the mother of grace and salvation not she is not God!
Nope, she's NOT God, and she's also not a Co-redemptorix, or ANYTHING beyond being a normal OBEDIENT Jewish Gal, blown all out of proportion by a Heretical religious system. She's Jesus' physical mother - period.
then you agree she is the mother of divine grace as all grace comes by Jesus Christ jn 1:16-17
and mother of our salvation for he is salvation Lk 2:30
cannot be applied to mary she was not born yet
And we don’t worship her
Devotion reverence honor are not adoration and worship
God doesn't HAVE a "Mother". the MAN JESUS had a Mother (by God's design). Just another Catholic Fantasy about their phony "Blessed Virgin".
Mary (whether Rome likes it or not) was a perfectly NORMAL HUMAN Woman who was called by God to provide a difficult ministry, in the Bearing, birthing, and raising the human manifestation of the WORD who was with God, and who WAS God. It's easy to see how Catholic "Tradition" (with their propensity for incorporating pagan fantasies) transforms her into "the queen of heaven". But she's still a normal Jewish gal, who really didn't have a CLUE what all was going on until later. The Bible doesn't SAY she became a Christian, but it's very likely she did, being given into John's care at Calvary. I'd assume that some of Jesus' half Siblings became Christians also, although they're really not mentioned in any detail.
Infant savior
Thank Mary for our salvation
I thought this thread couldn't get any lower but you have taken it to new depths of nastiness.Well, you've now proven you are an egotistical, 'holier-than-thou', arrogant person in addition to whatever else you may be. .
I agree that Mary is the Physical Mother of the MAN Jesus - PERIOD.
I agree that she and Joseph raised Him properly in the Word of God, and successfully brought Jesus to manhood properly educated, and cognocent of the Scriptures. GRACE is "Unmerited Favor" from GOD, and is the reason that YOU and me weren't destroyed IMMEDIATELY the first time we SINNED and fell short of His Glory. Grace is why the Holy Spirit Cpnvicts us of our SIN, and gives us the FAITH to trust the SIN OFFERING of Jesus on the cross to cleanse us of our SIN.
In Roman Catholic WORSHIP of Mary, you've made HER in many ways more significant than Jesus - who apparently needs HER ADVICE in order to interact with us humans properly. BLASPHEMY!!!!!!
Christian believers thank GOD for the price HE PAID, the death of His only begotten Son on the cross for our salvation. NOT MARY!!!! Thanking Mary for carrying Gods' human Son is like thanking your CAR for getting you to church!
Evidence in posts #47 & #63