You mean defends numbers, right?DaDad said:To All,
Who is that mocks? Are we not called to preach and defend Scripture?
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You mean defends numbers, right?DaDad said:To All,
Who is that mocks? Are we not called to preach and defend Scripture?
Hi Retrobyter,Retrobyter said:You keep bringing up modern ceramics and how strong they are, but this dream is NOT based on modern ceramics but on common pottery clay! Look closely at verse 42: The order here is important as the order gives the analogy:
part iron : part clay :: partly strong : partly brittle.
It is the CLAY that is considered brittle while the IRON is considered strong, not the reverse!
No, I'm suggesting that these lists are not ordered lists! PERIOD! IF there is an "order" implied, it is from the ground up! ALL five of these materials are pulverized by the stone cut out of the cliff without hands. They are pulverized from the feet upward, and they all blow away like so much chaff in the wind! So the bottom three materials are atomized together; so what?! We aren't told how big the stone is nor are we told how fast it grows! It is said to hit the statue in the feet, but ... hey ... the feet are connected to the legs and the legs are connected to the thighs and trunk, right? And, verse 35 is definitely from the feet up.DaDad said:Hi Retrobyter,
Using your argument, are you suggesting that "common pottery" (CLAY) is stronger than BRONZE?
4. IRON
3. BRONZE
5. CLAY
2. SILVER
1. GOLD
With Best Regards,
DD
Hi Retrobyter,Retrobyter said:I'm suggesting that these lists are not ordered lists! PERIOD!
Hi Floyd,Floyd said:One thought is that Gold (linked to Neb. who seem to be truly converted, is almost the ideal), whereas the rest reduced in value (truth), until the toes are reached ...
I think you will find this type of claim would contravene the forum rules.DaDad said:So far, everyone thinks GOD is ~stupid~. Did you have an opinion?
Hi Floyd,Floyd said:DD: I don't think all here think God is "std"; which I have to say is offensive!
Our God is a Great God; whose Wisdom and Love transcend any human concept!
Floyd.
Floyd said:Antichrist Revelation chapter 13:8
DaDad said:...
So did you have something to share, -- including how you are going to explain the INTELLIGENT DESIGN behind GOD's 4,3,5,2,1 = FIVE sequence? I'm still waiting after multiple invitations.
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Floyd said:You have a long wait!
Floyd.
You're making mountains out of mole-hills. God did not provide "the sequence Iron, Bronze, Clay, Silver, Gold = 4,3,5,2,1 = FIVE." Those were Dani'el's words to King-of-kings N'vukhadnetsar (Nebuchadnezzar). God only gave Dani'el the dream and its interpretation. I have NEVER called God "stupid." YOU on the other hand... well, we won't go there.DaDad said:Hi Retrobyter,
EXCELLENT. So when GM provides the firing sequence 1,8,4,3,6,5,7,2 -- they're smart. When GOD provides the sequence Iron, Bronze, Clay, Silver, Gold = 4,3,5,2,1 = FIVE -- HE's stupid.
I guess the same can be said for a DESIGNER which provides information in different views and cross-sections. When a Draftsman does it he's smart. When GOD does it, HE's stupid.
Perhaps you're more like a former boss, who couldn't read a drawing. Please learn.
With Best Regards,
DD
You posted, not me, but apparently your "posts" lack a response from your deep well of knowledge -- for a simple question:Floyd said:Arn't you happy ...
Retrobyter said:You're making mountains out of mole-hills.
Floyd said:Prophecy and prophets.
DaDad said:...
So did you have something to share, -- including how you are going to explain the INTELLIGENT DESIGN behind GOD's 4,3,5,2,1 = FIVE sequence? I'm still waiting after multiple invitations.
...
Floyd said:You have a long wait!
Floyd.
DaDad said:To All,
Has anyone noticed that the "mystery" of GOD's Iron, Bronze, Clay, Silver, Gold = 4,3,5,2,1 = FIVE remains unsolved? Certainly there have been denials as to the INTELLIGENT DESIGN of this sequence; there have been attempts to accure this sequence to anyone but GOD (presumably so that they can deny disobedience of Scripture); and there were tangents which attempted to divert attention from the question. But in all these "contributions" to this Topic, NONE were able explain why GOD specified the 4,3,5,2,1 sequence.
In some circles, if an individual did not know an answer they would say: "I don't know." But it would seem that in this "community" we've seen every response except: "I don't know." Which is in contrast to when Jesus did not know the day or the hour, he said HE DID NOT KNOW. So is there a lesson to be learned here? Are we to judge the "prophets" as Scripture demands? And do we judge righteously?
1 Cor. 14:29
Let two or three prophets speak, and let the others judge.
Dan. 2:45
... the iron, the bronze, the clay, the silver, and the gold ...
With Best Regards,
DD
Not to say too much, but - yes, the order of the materials is the same in Hebrew as in the English of Daniel 2:45. HOWEVER, the order is also the same in Hebrew as in the English of Daniel 2:35 (which DaDad ignores).brodav9 said:One question? does the order of the text read the same in Hebrew. The order in which the objects are not important. Now the first group we see is how the statue was built, which was according to Daniel's God given view. The issue is based on Jesus coming and putting all nations past and present under his feet. I do not critic you for your interest in learning the bible.
the question remains in mind , why do you want to know. Now it could be you are learning for a purpose. Your next step is translation in Hebrew.
One thing we know is all the nations mentioned by Daniel about 90% are past. Now is the time to watch Turkey. It is said Gog and Magog are on East and West of Turkey. Northern nations will join against Israel (future). Your friend am I.