Prayer for judgement and suffering to stop

[Moonstone Eterni]

God has been judging me for many years now, and I’m so sick and tired of it. I have to suffer greatly if I’m the slightest bit imperfect, and God blames me for it because I couldn’t live up to his impossibly high standards!

The Bible is pretty clear-cut about redemption for believers. When someone becomes a born-again Christian, they are forgiven for all sins and no longer have to be judged for their imperfections. Christ took the penalty for our transgressions, so if I do something harmless but imperfect, why on earth does God have to judge me for it and tell me I have to suffer prodigiously because of it?

I suffer even more because no one believes me. How can God judge me for little tiny imperfections and then say I have to suffer horribly because of it when, in fact, scripture says the exact opposite? I can’t believe it either, and God’s conduct with me here goes completely against what the Bible teaches!

Whether God likes it or not, I am not a terrible person because I fail to live up to his impossibly high standards. Yet he will not stop judging me and telling me I have to suffer because I am imperfect!

Christ came into this world to redeem sinners and bring believers to salvation; he didn’t come here to tell people to be perfect and tell them they have to suffer horribly if they can’t be perfect (no one can), making them feel inferior and ruining their life. But again, God’s conduct with me here is not consistent with what the Bible teaches, and I can’t believe why God would treat me this way!

Please everyone pray for me and tell God to quit requiring that I live up to the impossible standard of perfection. Please pray and tell God that I have accepted Jesus as savior and redeemer of sin, so I don’t have to be judged or suffer horribly because of little tiny imperfection that don’t even matter.

If I went and killed someone, raped a woman, or committed some other heinous crime, I could understand why God would judge me for it and tell me I have to suffer because of it. But for victimless “sins” that don’t even matter? What the hell? That isn’t what the Bible teaches!

I’m so fed up with this. I don’t want to suffer anymore for being imperfect. If I were granted one wish, it wouldn’t be for a billion dollars or anything like that; it would be for God to quit judging me for victimless imperfections and saying I have to suffer horribly because I couldn’t be perfect.

Please, prayers needed.

 

[Cassandra]

Uhh, this is the second time you've come on here yelling at God. You need to speak with a pastor.
God understands we are all imperfect.
What do you mean when you have to suffer horribly? Is it still about the wine?

But for victimless “sins” that don’t even matter?

What is a victimless sin? And so you already know what ever it is , is sinful?

 

[dev553344]

Praying for you. I'm going thru the same thing and I wasn't until I got on this forum and talked to the people here. But I don't think it's God judging us. He wants us to be like him but I don't think he's going to beat us down for it.

 

[Moonstone Eterni]

Praying for you. I'm going thru the same thing and I wasn't until I got on this forum and talked to the people here. But I don't think it's God judging us. He wants us to be like him but I don't think he's going to beat us down for it.

Thanks for the friendly advice and prayers, but I still feel completely broken. Why would God think my right to live a normal life depends on my ability to walk on eggshells? I don’t get it. I can’t be perfect, and nobody is perfect. And because I fail to live up to God’s standards, which seem practically impossible, my life is utterly ruined. How can this be? I currently believe and have always believed that Christ came to redeem a sinful world, not require that his adherents adhere to radical puritanical conduct and then suffer prodigiously when they fail at doing something impossible.

 

[dev553344]

Thanks for the friendly advice and prayers, but I still feel completely broken. Why would God think my right to live a normal life depends on my ability to walk on eggshells? I don’t get it. I can’t be perfect, and nobody is perfect. And because I fail to live up to God’s standards, which seem practically impossible, my life is utterly ruined. How can this be? I currently believe and have always believed that Christ came to redeem a sinful world, not require that his adherents adhere to radical puritanical conduct and then suffer prodigiously when they fail at doing something impossible.

Well I think when we have the ability we should feed the hungry, cloth the naked and so on and so forth. But in today's world we must be careful around the homeless people as some are dangerous. I've helped people that needed my help. And I think that is OK. And we should obey the commandments which are easy.

I was a bad sinner in my youth. I still sin and am working on not sinning so much. I'll tell you that God came to me in vision of heavenly Father and a Mother spirit and forgave my sins which I wouldn't have thought he would have done. And the reason I'm telling you this is because I don't think it is God condemning you but perhaps it's something entirely different that makes you feel this way. You could consider that.

 

[Moonstone Eterni]

Well I think when we have the ability we should feed the hungry, cloth the naked and so on and so forth. But in today's world we must be careful around the homeless people as some are dangerous. I've helped people that needed my help. And I think that is OK. And we should obey the commandments which are easy.

I was a bad sinner in my youth. I still sin and am working on not sinning so much. I'll tell you that God came to me in vision of heavenly Father and a Mother spirit and forgave my sins which I wouldn't have thought he would have done. And the reason I'm telling you this is because I don't think it is God condemning you but perhaps it's something entirely different that makes you feel this way. You could consider that.

Everyone has their vices, Christian and nonbeliever alike. Some people like to gamble, which isn’t a bad thing if you go to a casino and know you’re probably going to lose, spending only a little money (perhaps no more than $200) and frequently those places one, two, or maybe three times a year. Other people like to have a glass of wine or an occasional cigar. Again: No harm no foul, but moderation is the key.

Harmless vices don’t victimize others. If someone wastes a few hundred dollars on slot machines or black jack, what is the harm? Yeah, it’s harmful if he spends most of his paycheck gambling, but light and occasional gambling isn’t bad, and it can sometimes be fun. Or what about having a cigar here and there? It relaxes and cools the mind, and nicotine addiction won’t happen if one or two cigars are smoked each year. Same can be said with drinking wine: What harm can come from an occasional glass of alcohol done entirely in moderation?

On the other hand, there are real sins that truly victimize others. Murder victimizes others because the act kills people. And rape victimizes people because it violates their sexual and bodily autonomy, and it can cause longstanding traumatic effects. But harmless vices like gambling, smoking, or drinking? There isn’t a victim here.

Mind you, I don’t have a gambling problem, and I don’t gamble because it’s illegal here in Texas. (Well, there is a legal Indian casino on a reservation, but it’s a three and a half hour drive from my house, and I only went once and wasted less than $100.) But yeah, I do like nicotine and alcohol, but so what? I’m not victimizing others with tobacco or wine.

Yet if I have a dip, smoke, or drink alcohol, I have to suffer horrible problems not related to those things. Really terrible things happen to me, but again they aren’t related to nicotine or alcohol. I don’t feel comfortable elaborating on this subject right now, but please take my word for it. And God tells me he allows it and won’t prevent it from happening because he dislikes my harmless little vices. I can’t stand it!

I don’t go around killing people or raping women (both of which are extremely and genuinely sinful), but yeah, I do have my vices. Who doesn’t? Why does God have to make me suffer so badly for these harmless little “crimes”? They aren’t real crimes: No victims were victimized. It isn’t fair for police to arrest someone for speeding 6 or 7 miles over the speed limit and sentence them to a decade in prison, since speeding a little tiny bit (although not really a benign thing) isn’t so bad that someone should spend ten years in a cage. Why then does God tell me I have to suffer so badly if I have a dip or drink? It doesn’t make sense!

 

[dev553344]

Everyone has their vices, Christian and nonbeliever alike. Some people like to gamble, which isn’t a bad thing if you go to a casino and know you’re probably going to lose, spending only a little money (perhaps no more than $200) and frequently those places one, two, or maybe three times a year. Other people like to have a glass of wine or an occasional cigar. Again: No harm no foul, but moderation is the key.

Harmless vices don’t victimize others. If someone wastes a few hundred dollars on slot machines or black jack, what is the harm? Yeah, it’s harmful if he spends most of his paycheck gambling, but light and occasional gambling isn’t bad, and it can sometimes be fun. Or what about having a cigar here and there? It relaxes and cools the mind, and nicotine addiction won’t happen if one or two cigars are smoked each year. Same can be said with drinking wine: What harm can come from an occasional glass of alcohol done entirely in moderation?

On the other hand, there are real sins that truly victimize others. Murder victimizes others because the act kills people. And rape victimizes people because it violates their sexual and bodily autonomy, and it can cause longstanding traumatic effects. But harmless vices like gambling, smoking, or drinking? There isn’t a victim here.

Mind you, I don’t have a gambling problem, and I don’t gamble because it’s illegal here in Texas. (Well, there is a legal Indian casino on a reservation, but it’s a three and a half hour drive from my house, and I only went once and wasted less than $100.) But yeah, I do like nicotine and alcohol, but so what? I’m not victimizing others with tobacco or wine.

Yet if I have a dip, smoke, or drink alcohol, I have to suffer horrible problems not related to those things. Really terrible things happen to me, but again they aren’t related to nicotine or alcohol. I don’t feel comfortable elaborating on this subject right now, but please take my word for it. And God tells me he allows it and won’t prevent it from happening because he dislikes my harmless little vices. I can’t stand it!

I don’t go around killing people or raping women (both of which are extremely and genuinely sinful), but yeah, I do have my vices. Who doesn’t? Why does God have to make me suffer so badly for these harmless little “crimes”? They aren’t real crimes: No victims were victimized. It isn’t fair for police to arrest someone for speeding 6 or 7 miles over the speed limit and sentence them to a decade in prison, since speeding a little tiny bit (although not really a benign thing) isn’t so bad that someone should spend ten years in a cage. Why then does God tell me I have to suffer so badly if I have a dip or drink? It doesn’t make sense!

I understand you don't want to elaborate. Let me share some stories I've learned about God and the imitator the devil.

I once had Jesus tell me God was going to punish me. I won't elaborate but I was punished in a way that I now know God would not do. It took me years to learn about God and who he is so I can distinguish between Satan and God. Satan is a great imitator and often pretends to be God.

In my life I've heard from God on about 4-5 occasions. 4 of the 5 times it has been with the fruits of the Holy Spirit so I felt great love and peace that lasted for hours. On one occasion he told me Satan can do no good and God can do no evil. Another time he told me to see a doctor regarding an illness I had which I was hesitant about. But we can know it's God for he is love and his fruits of his Holy Spirit reflect that (Galatians 5:22-23).

We are told to try the spirits (1 John 4:1) and what I have learned is that most spirits that talk to me are Satan. In fact if a spirit talks to me and tells me of some future event and I don't get the fruits of the Holy Spirit with the message then I only know it's God if it comes to pass. (Deuteronomy 18:22)

I hope this helps and may God bless you.

 

[Moonstone Eterni]

I understand you don't want to elaborate. Let me share some stories I've learned about God and the imitator the devil.

I once had Jesus tell me God was going to punish me. I won't elaborate but I was punished in a way that I now know God would not do. It took me years to learn about God and who he is so I can distinguish between Satan and God. Satan is a great imitator and often pretends to be God.

In my life I've heard from God on about 4-5 occasions. 4 of the 5 times it has been with the fruits of the Holy Spirit so I felt great love and peace that lasted for hours. On one occasion he told me Satan can do no good and God can do no evil. Another time he told me to see a doctor regarding an illness I had which I was hesitant about. But we can know it's God for he is love and his fruits of his Holy Spirit reflect that (Galatians 5:22-23).

We are told to try the spirits (1 John 4:1) and what I have learned is that most spirits that talk to me are Satan. In fact if a spirit talks to me and tells me of some future event and I don't get the fruits of the Holy Spirit with the message then I only know it's God if it comes to pass. (Deuteronomy 18:22)

I hope this helps and may God bless you.

The Christian denomination I attend weekly is United Methodist. It’s the church I was brought up in, although I don’t necessarily see myself as Protestant. My view is that whether someone is Catholic, Methodist, Baptist, Amish, or whatever, we’re Christians who belong to Christ. Basically, I don’t really make any distinction between denominations.

Some days I’ve been in so much pain because I felt like God has to judge me for imperfections (and I subsequently have to suffer so greatly) that I have to join a monastery to be capable of adhering to perfect standards. United Methodist doesn’t have monasteries, and the Protestant denominations don’t have monastic traditions. It’s the Catholics and Orthodox denominations that do.

So before I’ve thought that I had to switch to Catholicism and join a monastery for the suffering to end. It seems like there isn’t any other way to be perfect and end the horrific misery. But really, I don’t think I’m cut out for that kind of thing because I lack discipline. Monasticism is also a life-long vocation that requires a vow of life commitment, and I want to live an ordinary life. Who doesn’t?

You say that God isn’t judging me for imperfection, and he doesn’t require that I have to be perfect and forgo all harmless little vices. Truly in my heart of hearts I wish I could believe that, and I mean it with the utmost sincerity. But what I’m seeing with my own eyes and perceiving with my own experiences isn’t lining up with that, unfortunately. But I’ll tell you what: I will pray that it be true, because that is what I want. More than anything I don’t want to be judged for imperfections, and I want that as my greatest desire. I’ll just hope for the best. What else can I do?

 

[dev553344]

The Christian denomination I attend weekly is United Methodist. It’s the church I was brought up in, although I don’t necessarily see myself as Protestant. My view is that whether someone is Catholic, Methodist, Baptist, Amish, or whatever, we’re Christians who belong to Christ. Basically, I don’t really make any distinction between denominations.

Some days I’ve been in so much pain because I felt like God has to judge me for imperfections (and I subsequently have to suffer so greatly) that I have to join a monastery to be capable of adhering to perfect standards. United Methodist doesn’t have monasteries, and the Protestant denominations don’t have monastic traditions. It’s the Catholics and Orthodox denominations that do.

So before I’ve thought that I had to switch to Catholicism and join a monastery for the suffering to end. It seems like there isn’t any other way to be perfect and end the horrific misery. But really, I don’t think I’m cut out for that kind of thing because I lack discipline. Monasticism is also a life-long vocation that requires a vow of life commitment, and I want to live an ordinary life. Who doesn’t?

You say that God isn’t judging me for imperfection, and he doesn’t require that I have to be perfect and forgo all harmless little vices. Truly in my heart of hearts I wish I could believe that, and I mean it with the utmost sincerity. But what I’m seeing with my own eyes and perceiving with my own experiences isn’t lining up with that, unfortunately. But I’ll tell you what: I will pray that it be true, because that is what I want. More than anything I don’t want to be judged for imperfections, and I want that as my greatest desire. I’ll just hope for the best. What else can I do?

I've thought about that too, joining a monastery. I watched and attend Catholic services. But I think they're a little off on that. The bible says that these church leaders should be husband of one wife. And that leading your own house and family shows you can lead in the church. I don't believe everything the Catholics do since I can make up my own mind on what the bible teaches. It also teaches that seeking a master position makes the judgment more strict so I'll probably stay out of there.

Well the Catholics teach that we should confess our sins to be forgiven and the bible also teaches that. I haven't confessed for a long time. And God still forgave me once a while back. I guess I confess my sins to him.

I will just pray for you then. Keep of good cheer I hope

 

[Lambano]

Moonstone, I will pray for you.

I think I will pray that instead of condemnation, you feel God's love for you. Is that okay?

 

[William00]

God has been judging me for many years now, and I’m so sick and tired of it. I have to suffer greatly if I’m the slightest bit imperfect, and God blames me for it because I couldn’t live up to his impossibly high standards!

Please, prayers needed.

Moonstone: I felt like you when I was a teenager. I don't know how old you are. It's hard but don't focus on negative so much (I know it's hard). I pray to God that you have your peace. Amen.

 

[Moonstone Eterni]

Many people have a tendency to see the glass as half empty instead of half full, or in other words see the bad things but ignore the good things. This is especially true with me and my unique case here.

To look at the positive side of things, at least I know there is a way out of misery. Yes, it’s a hard road to travel: Being on super good conduct is a difficult task, but I think it’s doable. And when I can meet this standard, I get my freedom from suffering.

But still, it all seems so unfair. Consider: There are 24 hours each day, and each hour is comprised of 60 minutes. That means 1,440 minutes exist each day. If I’m “bad” (and I use this term loosely) for 5 minutes out of the day, the ratio of time spent being bad and time spent being good is 5 out of 1,440, which is a very small percentage. Why do I have to penalized for 5 minutes of supposed wrong time when I’m alright for the remaining 1,435 minutes? Again, it’s very unfair.

I’ve already been imperfect today (it’s a little past noon right now in my time zone); and if I’m perfect for the remainder of the day, shouldn’t that count against time being wrong? It doesn’t, and I don’t understand why.

But again, what if I see the glass as half full and not half empty? Since I’m “bad” only a tiny fraction of the day, then it follows that not being wrong for 5 minutes (or even 10 or 15 minutes) shouldn’t be that hard to do.

I’ll have to try again tomorrow. I wish I could start over and be given another shot at it today, but unfortunately I can’t.

 

[Moonstone Eterni]

Moonstone, I will pray for you.

I think I will pray that instead of condemnation, you feel God's love for you. Is that okay?

Thank you for the kinds words, but just to let you know, you didn’t have to delete your earlier post to me on the Ethics & Morality section. I am tolerant of constructive criticism; it doesn’t hurt my feelings.

 

[Lambano]

Thank you for the kinds words, but just to let you know, you didn’t have to delete your earlier post to me on the Ethics & Morality section. I am tolerant of constructive criticism; it doesn’t hurt my feelings.

I was getting self-righteous, so killed that one. I think what I'm asking the Lord for on your behalf is more important.

 

[Jay Ross]

God has been judging me for many years now, and I’m so sick and tired of it. I have to suffer greatly if I’m the slightest bit imperfect, and God blames me for it because I couldn’t live up to his impossibly high standards!

The Bible is pretty clear-cut about redemption for believers. When someone becomes a born-again Christian, they are forgiven for all sins and no longer have to be judged for their imperfections. Christ took the penalty for our transgressions, so if I do something harmless but imperfect, why on earth does God have to judge me for it and tell me I have to suffer prodigiously because of it?

Part of the redemption process is our willingness to repent for our misdeeds. Our "Primary Sin," of turning away from God is the sin that all the Saints need to be repented of. The continuation of all of the sins that come out this primary sin are revealed to us to show us that we are still not right with God because we have not actually repented of the primary sin of turning away from God.

Seeking repentance of the manifested sins that continue to occur in our lives does not bring us Salvation, but repenting of turning away from God and acting 'God Like,' will result in all of the 'manifested' sins being forgiven. Becoming fully dependant on God's Grace to help us to walk in His footsteps is a prayer that we all should be asking God's help for. If we walk with God, with His hand holding our hand, as a sign of our dependency on Him for all of our needs to be Holy in Him is the best starting place for our salvation.

Shalom

 

[Moonstone Eterni]

Part of the redemption process is our willingness to repent for our misdeeds. Our "Primary Sin," of turning away from God is the sin that all the Saints need to be repented of. The continuation of all of the sins that come out this primary sin are revealed to us to show us that we are still not right with God because we have not actually repented of the primary sin of turning away from God.

Seeking repentance of the manifested sins that continue to occur in our lives does not bring us Salvation, but repenting of turning away from God and acting 'God Like,' will result in all of the 'manifested' sins being forgiven. Becoming fully dependant on God's Grace to help us to walk in His footsteps is a prayer that we all should be asking God's help for. If we walk with God, with His hand holding our hand, as a sign of our dependency on Him for all of our needs to be Holy in Him is the best starting place for our salvation.

Shalom

Thank you for the insight. Your wisdom is excellent.

By the way, I have good news to report…

Today I did what God wanted and refrained from alcohol drinking and tobacco. Considering that I was drinking every day, although not nearly as much as an alcoholic would, it’s still quite an accomplishment. Yes, the anxiety was pretty intense, but 24 hours have passed since my last drink, and it was only pretty bad for about the first 12 to 14 hours; the anxiety is down by 80% and improving as the time passes. But yeah, I guess it’s normal to feel intensely anxious when you have something everyday and then don’t have it anymore.

As for the tobacco, that is one tough substance to quit. What I did was get some dissolvable nicotine. Once I’m completely sure I won’t drink any more, which should happen after about a week or so of alcohol abstinence, I’ll go off the nicotine completely from the lozenges. Quitting one substance at a time is always better than quitting two at the same time; it's much easier this way.

I want to believe the best, and I will hope for the best: I’ve done what God wishes, so the fault-finding over these things should end for good this time. Will be praying for it. (By the way, God did in fact end quite a bit of suffering earlier.)

 

[Moonstone Eterni]

I was getting self-righteous, so killed that one. I think what I'm asking the Lord for on your behalf is more important.

Thank you for prayers. As written in my previous post on here (in response to another user), everyone’s prayers seemed to produce a great effect. Namely, I’m not drinking alcohol anymore. I haven’t stopped the nicotine addiction yet, but I did quit tobacco by switching to the lozenges. I’ll quit those as soon as I’m 100% sure I can permanently forgo drinking in about a week or so, since quitting two addictions is much harder than quitting one at a time.

And yes, God did in fact help end my suffering because of my abstinence from addictions. Not fully, but mostly. Perhaps once I’ve proven to him that my change of conduct is permanent, the end of suffering will then go from “mostly ended” to “fully ended.” That is what I’ll be praying for.

 

[Moonstone Eterni]

Well I think when we have the ability we should feed the hungry, cloth the naked and so on and so forth. But in today's world we must be careful around the homeless people as some are dangerous. I've helped people that needed my help. And I think that is OK. And we should obey the commandments which are easy.

I was a bad sinner in my youth. I still sin and am working on not sinning so much. I'll tell you that God came to me in vision of heavenly Father and a Mother spirit and forgave my sins which I wouldn't have thought he would have done. And the reason I'm telling you this is because I don't think it is God condemning you but perhaps it's something entirely different that makes you feel this way. You could consider that.

I was feeling broken earlier when I wrote that message you quoted from me, but now I’m feeling much more hopeful. See my previous two posts on this thread for more info about it. Thank you for the prayers. They are working.

 

[dev553344]

I was feeling broken earlier when I wrote that message you quoted from me, but now I’m feeling much more hopeful. See my previous two posts on this thread for more info about it. Thank you for the prayers. They are working.

Super.

 

[Moonstone Eterni]

Super.

Thanks for the comment. I’ll keep everyone on this thread posted with an update tomorrow on the status of my situation. Things will surely start looking up. Prayers can truly move mountains (Matthew 17:20-21).