That is very interesting. Before I got saved I would sometimes think about Hell. I was not raised in a religious family. But yet I was tormented by the idea of Hell and facing God unsaved. Nobody taught me this, so where did these thoughts come from? I truly believe there is an eternal place called Hell, as much as I believe in Jesus the Savior. I also believe that the fear of the Lord led me to salvation.
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If there is no Hell I have nothing to lose. But there is an eternal Hell. There will be MANY in Hell who don't believe in it.
Puts a lot of things in perspective for you, I bet Foreigner - throwing out a bunch of Bible verses doesn't mean much when you've jump the track.......
Scripture without authority leads down some crazy, dark roads
Scripture without authority leads down some crazy, dark roads
I can honestly agree with that.
Especially when the Bible verses do nothing to support your position.
I have seen several people here put out a blizzard of verses (usually cut and paste) deciding that volume is better than validity - Mr. Word is a good example.
Especially when the Bible verses do nothing to support your position.
I have seen several people here put out a blizzard of verses (usually cut and paste) deciding that volume is better than validity - Mr. Word is a good example.
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A person who says that he has no sin is already commiting a sin....the sin of pride. Where is the humility? A person who judges others also commits a sin.... the sin of pride.
Having a username "The Word" also speaks of pride because there is only one "Word" with the captalized "W".....His name is Jesus Christ. You might as well call yourself "Jesus Christ" ;)
In Christ,
Selene
Having a username "The Word" also speaks of pride because there is only one "Word" with the captalized "W".....His name is Jesus Christ. You might as well call yourself "Jesus Christ" ;)
In Christ,
Selene
I don't reject them. But I can see when someone is using them to 'prove' his own agenda.
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Bible verses are used for many reasons, not least of which is instruction and validation of a point of argument.
Scripture verses are an expression of spiritual experience and as such are an academic form of testimony.
It's not just the Bible. You can see sprinkles of spiritual truth in almost every religion.
The problem with all spiritual experiences is that explanations for much of it are derived from unguided human interpretations leading to error.
Judaism and Christianity are the concentrated form of spiritual truth and in them God has provided His own testimony that the Bible is the correct path to interpretation. He has done so by personal participation in the process; by miracles and by the physical historical presence of His Son Jesus Christ.
In my experience, I have found the use of scripture to be most efficacious when debating a point with a non-believer or with one who is hostile to the gospel of Jesus Christ.
Why?
Because scripture points to deep experiences and spiritual truths that are often beautifully and accurately composed beyond my capacity.
I suspect that this is true for many believers as well. We find the words to be an apt description of what we have experienced and are in awe of their depth and perception. They are a work of art, a form of divine texting if you will.
The Bible explains what is happening to us and why.
It tells us what we may expect to happen in the physical future as well as our eternal one.
"If thou doest well, shall it not be lifted up? and if thou doest not well, sin lies at the door: and unto thee shall be its desire..."
Gen 4:7
This verse is stating that wicked spiritual entities are waiting to destroy the unwary.
God is good and is not willing that we should be enslaved to them.
In Christian interpretation this is described as spiritual warfare and we all suffer from it; believers and non-believers alike.
Non-believers are not usually aware of these assaults.
Note that I use the word 'usually'.
Explore your cable TV guide and you'll probably find many programs these days the subject of which is ghosts or spiritual manifestations.
These programs use human methods and reasoning to attempt to deal with the supernatural.
They are, in effect, a secular form of religion.
Remember that one of the purposes of religion is to impart an understanding of spiritual experiences?
Whether you buy the rational or not is up to you, but you must agree with the concept that this is what religion is trying to do.
The TV shows even have a liturgy of a sort as well as spiritual equipment - just as flashy as anything you'd find in a cathedral.
My point here is that they are wrong.
In their stumbling way they think they are discovering the truth.
The real truth is that no human has a complete handle on what's happening on the other side.
We aren't supposed to.
C.S. Lewis once said that humans are a sort of spiritual amphibian, living in the physical world as well as the spiritual world.
The Bible provides the best possible explanation of that life in which we have limited vision.
It is the only explanation approved of by God.
One thing the Bible is very definite about is that humanity's greatest fault is pride.
We are too proud to seek and hold onto guidance and truth from God.
As a result our spirits are in mortal, even eternal danger of wandering away from God and those secure eternal places which He has designed for us to live in.
As on the mean streets of any large city, the spiritual world is full of entities which seek to rob and enslave us.
Christians use Bible verses to instruct and encourage everyone about spiritual truth.
Each of us has wrestled with these dark things in our minds and in our hearts and all of us are desparate to warn others about them.
Having been given the word of truth, you are free to choose the path you walk in life.
"Choose wisely."
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