Preterism is Wrong

[Gandalf-]

I gave you more than a few answers, even answering the apparent 4.6 billion year age of the earth / moon system, within, and including the damage explaining the became null and void reference in Genesis 1:, creation account, because :

1) In the Hebrew, as implied with the word Eretz in Job, Isaiah 14: etc.., shows it's meaning range includes underworld, cosmos, and solar system potentially, as well as land, and world, and earth -so that the creation account drills down in Gen 1: from heavens and the cosmos, to the solar system, to the world / earth, to show both God's truth, and the Mythos / Myths, the world will create, for the ancient alien, and other nonsense the lost world will be given over to, as is told us in the bible.

2) That which the world will be given over too believe, and or develop an understanding of, -Is the false knowledge fallen angels gave mankind, in the form of remarkable knowledge, which is obviously of a supernatural nature, to falsely claim ancient aliens came here to give ancient man remarkable artistic abilities, to hide and preserve remarkable knowledge of what occured with earth, the earth moon system, and our solar system going back 4.6 billion years ago. Why would ancient aliens care, or want us to care / know what happened in our solar system 4.6 billion years ago? And this so called knowledge can be demonstrated to be of a supernatural nature, well beyond the investigative scope of ancient aliens, and likewise for the purpose of revealing such knowledge as secret in both it's nature, and it's transmission / revelation to us, as per the 12th planet series of books by Zecharia Sitchin, etc..,

But investigations into debunking such knowledge as presented by the admittedly proven liar Freemason Zecharia Sitchin, proves to be more complicated than that, and that, and that while Sitchin lied extensively, he did so, so as to cover up the supernatural nature of said evidence, as well as to spin other lying conclusions. Both Sitchin and Von Daniken made a great deal up - but also provided some remarkable things as well.

Planet X / Nibiru: An analysis of Akkadian Seal VA/243 — Karel Donk

The Akkadian cylinder seal pictured above dates from the third millennium B.C. (it’s at least 4500 years old) and can be found at the State Museum in East Berlin catalogued under VA/243.

blog.kareldonk.com

And likewise while liars such as Michael S. Heiser, pretend they have debunked Sitchin, they have lied about doing so, as well as promoting his pro - 1 Enoch lies, etc.., as well. 1 Enoch is a demonic and highly blasphemous 2nd temple period work, which Heiser works tirelessly to try and prove was ture, as well as try and prove it's content meant that Christ came to Reverse Hermon, or the place and purpose of the descent of the watchers upon the earth, etc.., It's all 100% pure nonsense what Heiser teaches. And 1 Enoch is so evil, that is claims that Women were not killed in Noah's Flood, but were turned into ( Mythical ) Sirens instead.

No while Sitchin like Von Daniken, were / are, liars, because of that some of what Heiser says on Sitchin would appear to be true on the surface, it's more complicated than that. In the Ancient Near East ( A.N.E., ) it is quite true that the Central Star image representing the sun, surrounded by the planets in the 4,500 year old, ( at the very least, ) Akkadian Cylinder Seal, is not the typical representation of the Sun in the A.N.E., which would have been an image of a circle, containing four primary cardinal solid points, like thin wedge shapes emanating from the center, in between four cross-cardinal points of wavy lines, like streams of water,

The truth is the large six pointed star in the center of this seal not only is an A.N.E. symbol for a star, anad again not the sun, but has also been used for Saturn, or kronos, or Saturn, as representing - Father Time, thus showing it was meant to show our solar system going back the 4.6 billion years in time.

Heiser is likewise a liar and a sloppy one at that. And he has been busted for altering the spelling of ancient Biblical etc.., words, so as to prove his lying theories of the bibles ancient councils of gods, and other gods / elohim, that God allegedly appointed to rule the nations, as real, blah blah blah. And online recently Christian researchers are finally taking him on. There are Christian Blogs / Sites, and PDF's that demonstrate ad debunk his lies, including ancient word manipulations, etc..,

It's not that Ancient Aliens are true, it is instead true, that that is what the world is given over to believe, because of the obvious supernaturally given knowledge, ( so given by fallen angels, ) which is trying to prove aliens are real.

And while that is Saturn in the seal, it is also true, based on the myth of solar system disruption / ad moons and planets thrown out of original orbits, etc..,because of a solar system wide destruction, ( if one follows the myth as so presented, ) - one can match the relative sizes of the planets and moons depicted to what exists in our solar system - and hence one of many such given supernatural lies.''

3) and so God has given all the Symbolic in Type Hints, at 4.6, and 46, and 4&6, to show God is well aware the world believes that the earth / moon / solar system is 4.6 billion years old in it's present form, when our moon ad earth collided.

And as such God has superimposed a 6,000 year old base line time line, with a4.6 billion year old sinewave timeline over it so that both appear true.

However, if the 4.6 billion year old timeline were true, it can not account for the low date radioactive isotope half-lives found within the earth's mountains rocks.

 

[Truth7t7]

I gave you more than a few answers, even answering the apparent 4.6 billion year age of the earth / moon system

Who says the earth/moon systems are 4.6 Billion Years Old?

Sounds like a man made fairy tale, as Pinocchio's nose grows

 

[Gandalf-]

Who says the earth/moon systems are 4.6 Billion Years Old?

Sounds like a man made fairy tale, as Pinocchio's nose grows

Everyone in main stream science. They have been saying that since I can remember. They may tweak that number from time to time. And now are saying they have tweaked it again to say based on their current analysis of lunar rocks they believe the moon to now be 4.51 billion years old, or a mere 60 million alleged years after our solar system took shape.

It is the main consensus of science one must contend with, if one has a different answer. But I can't remember a time in my lifetime when 4.6 billion years hasn't been the best consensus of scientific opinion.

How Old Is the Moon? Scientists Say They Finally Know

The moon is a very old soul, it turns out.

www.space.com

How Was the Moon Formed?

Scientists are still unsure as to how the moon formed, but here are three of their best bets.

www.space.com

 

[Truth7t7]

Everyone in main stream science. They have been saying that since I can remember. They may tweak that number from time to time. And now are saying they have tweaked it again to say based on their current analysis of lunar rocks they believe the moon to now be 4.51 billion years old, or a mere 60 million alleged years after our solar system took shape.

It is the main consensus of science one must contend with, if one has a different answer. But I can't remember a time in my lifetime when 4.6 billion years hasn't been the best consensus of scientific opinion.

How Old Is the Moon? Scientists Say They Finally Know

The moon is a very old soul, it turns out.

www.space.com

How Was the Moon Formed?

Scientists are still unsure as to how the moon formed, but here are three of their best bets.

www.space.com

So you build your belief on what supposed scientist say, not good, man is a liar

Just as the early claims of man's missing links were a hoax, all fabricated by man seen below

The Bible teaches of young earth, man teaches otherwise, I will believe the Bible and not the liars

Wikipedia: Piltdown Man was a paleoanthropological fraud in which bone fragments were presented as the fossilised remains of a previously unknown early human. Although there were doubts about its authenticity virtually from the beginning, the remains were still broadly accepted for many years, and the falsity of the hoax was only definitively demonstrated in 1953. An extensive scientific review in 2016 established that amateur archaeologist Charles Dawson was responsible for the fraudulent evidence.

Wikipedia: Nebraska Man was a name applied to Hesperopithecus haroldcookii, a putative species of ape. It was heralded as the first higher primate of North America. It was originally described by Henry Fairfield Osborn in 1922, on the basis of a tooth found by rancher and geologist Harold Cook in Nebraska in 1917. Although Nebraska man was not a deliberate hoax, the original classification proved to be a mistake, and was retracted in 1927.

 

[ScottA]

@Gandalf-

From what I understand, I agree with your thread title.

However, why do you trouble yourself (and others) with language skills, when God has made it known that He has confused/confounded all language at Babel, and order that has not been rescinded? To the contrary, not only has He not rescinded it, He has added that the scriptures are "foolishness" except and unless "spiritually discerned."

So then, you have begun by establishing an intent to apply "foolishness?"

I will read further, but...thus far, strange.

 

[ScottA]

Thank God for scholars, even secular humanist ones at times, who can be capable again, at times in keeping believing scholars honest. There isn't a sound linguistics scholar out there who will not tell you that context determines meaning. Biblical Hebrew is an extremely pregnant language, far more pregnant than most people realize, and therefore is the most, with Aramaic, ambiguous of the two families of biblical languages.

On the Hebrew word roots themselves, Biblical Hebrew alons is one of the most pregnant languages in existence. this can be demonstrated in the Hebrew Lexicon, in the back of Strong's Exhaustive Concordance. In the Lexicon it is easy to find tons of Hebrew words with 10, 20, 30, ...100, ....150 meanings, etc.., Then the eventual NASB and NIV Exhaustive Concordances which eventually came out, I own them, as well as various Hebrew Lexicons, and word study books, including the two volume TWOT Theological Wordbook of the Old Testament, etc..,

Not to mention books on how biblical Hebrew words, that admit, and instruct, how the Hebrew unattached ( meaning not added as a new part of a Hebrew word, for new coining or modifying a word, ) prefixes, which as the simple articles, etc.., we assume them to be, can be thought of as prepositional phrases, etc.., And that a simple Mem for example prefixed to a Hebrew root ( word ) can mean "Towards," or "From," or "As if Towards," or "As if From," etc.., thus demonstrating that not only can Hebrew prefixes can have equal and opposite meanings, but these equal and opposite meanings can even be expressed as entire modifying phrases based on a single letter prefix, and even a simple two single letter prefixes, can express their own modifying phrases themselves. So that a "Waw" and "He" two letter prefix can mean more than just merely "And The," and then, so again, apart from how complicated and pregnant biblical Hebrew - it is always the biblical passage that determines the translation. Was it "away from" in the passage context, or was it "as if away from" ?

And likewise Biblical Greek is also an extremely pregnant language, but no where as pregnant, or nearly as ambiguous as Biblical Hebrew. Because unlike the Hebrew, God chose a language, in the Greek ( Indo European language family ) in which the Biblical Greek, from the Septuagint, and Old Greek counter translations, etc.. would often coin new words, or word usages, unlike the Hebrew, by often combining, or smashing words together, giving you something far more concrete and thus less ambiguous than the Hebrew.

And those behind the NIV, have done some brilliant work over the years, including releasing Interlinear Greek English New Testaments, with the use of the + plus sign, to show where individual Greek letters were inserted in between to two or three Greek words smashed together, coining a new word, to show how the additional letters inserted into the smashings, represent like the hebrew, represent additional word modifyers, of various helper parts of speech.

And it can take decades, if not a hundred years, or so, for Greek Scholars, and Greek Scholar Comities, to decide to change their minds as to what they think the best translation of a Greek word should be. In revelation 22:7 such has occurred, when the consensus had always been the Greek word used should be translated as Quickly, when in more recent years more and more bible translations have changed this opinion and understanding to Soon.

Revelation 22:7 - Jesus is Coming

Behold, I am coming soon. Blessed is the one who keeps the words of prophecy in this book.

biblehub.com

So which is it, the older Quickly, or the newer Soon? The newer scholarship sees it a Soon, as in a non immediate time or non immediate temporal context, if you prefer.

The Promise “I Am Coming Soon!”

The promise “coming soon” in Revelation is an imminent event for the end-time church

www.perspectivedigest.org

What does Revelation 22:7 mean? | BibleRef.com

And behold, I am coming quickly. Blessed is the one who keeps the words of the prophecy of this book.' - What is the meaning of Revelation 22:7?

www.bibleref.com

And so while the debate rages, the truth is like Hebrew Biblical Greek is both pregnant - And it comes down to the expertise of the Greek Biblical Scholars you believe in, only to the extent of the Greek Scholars you believe in, only so far >>>> Because the context of all forms of Preterism are all simply puzzle factory reject nuts in my opinion.

And Biblical prophecy likewise is very complex. It allows God a justifiable deniability, in which God does not have to, and does not reveal the truth to those who believe. But for those who believe, it is clear and obvious that God splits and divides passages, which draws prophecy from said passages. Such as in individual psalms, where David may describe his situation, and things about himself, while God inserts, and or makes thru David, prophecies of the first coming of Christ was given.

And likewise prophecies were likewise given by God, which foretell the first and second coming of Christ as well. And some of those passages may have appeared to be about Israel as well, but the context more carefully shows that Israel my Servant clearly means the Messiah in the context given.

As the Bible was written by many men, over a very long period of time. And when new prophetic insights etc.., were given, they would at times apply the principle of Midrash, where they prophetically were allowed to serve God thru updating the meaning of a passage. In fact the entire Septuagint did that a lot. The Septuagint was merely a Greek translation of the Torah, or the first five books of the law of Moses. And then continuing in time, the rest of the OT was translated into Greek in, and as, individual OT Books / Scrolls. And starting with Origen, and his Hexapla, gathered various versions of the OT scrolls that had been translated into Greek, in parallel columns, to try and resolve discrepancies in Greek OT translated scrolls.

Okay...this is better. Now I see your opening statement was rather to establish the cloud of confusion.

Continuing on...

 

[ScottA]

The NT gospel authors used a ratio of about 60% of the Septuagint Greek, and about 40% of the Hebrew OT, with a few slightly different Greek, and even at least one instant in Matthew where he created his own translation of a text that has no parallel in any written version of the OT. The NT authors were given by God, to be able to apply the technique tat updated the Midrash that had already been applied to the Septuagint.

And so apart from Midrash updates, or older standard texts, God still split prophecies from a psalm about David, in which David himself wrote said psalm, which had split material about David, and Christ's first coming both, and God was responsible for other split OT Prophecies split over being first and second coming passages about Christ.

And especially based on the Septuagint, and the Dead Sea Scrolls, etc.., 2nd Temple Judaism had many split beliefs, including some sound, to various degrees, and not, what the coming of the Messiah will mean. ut some of those Jews were wrong,and likewise came to believe they had been replaced. They were all over the place in interpretation, and part of it was likewise due to prophecy, including in Isaiah, of the partial hardening of Israel, for those who refused to accept Jesus as the Messiah.

And likewise ( with me purposefully using a one year overlap for convenience sake, ) God created Metanarratives within the Bible, including one in which the seven days of creation had a symbolic metanarrative narrative. So God created such symbolic metanarratives such as from the creation as so understood to be in 4004 B.C. to 2004 B.C. to symbolically represent the first two days. And from 2004 to 4 B.C, to symbolically represent the next two days, and from 4 B.C. to 1996 A.D. to represent the next two days, so that six days had passed symbolically. And then God gives us a dual use symbolic stretch, in which the final 7th day symbolically represented two days, or two thousand years, representing the Day of the Lord, in the Already and Not yet Paradigm, stretching forwards from 70 A.D. to 2070 A.D. for the symbolic potential Day of the Lord extending in partial to full fulfilment from 70 A.D. to 2070 A.D.

And likewise God even used that same 1,000 years of the 7th day, to symbolically look backwards to a long period of time mankind believes to be true. And so that day symbolically goes back to 4.6 Billion years ago. Mankind has 46 chromosomes, thus symbolically going back to 4.6 billion years ago. The word for Adam meaning man equals 45 in Hebrew, but 46 in Greek, meaning going back symbolically 4.6 billion years ago. And the 120 commandments have the first 4 about God, and the final six about mankind, thus symbolically also referring back 4.6 billion years ago, etc.., etc., etc.,

So for 2,000 years we have been in the last day. And we as the Church, in the Church Age, or the Time of the Gentiles are the 3rd Temple of God, until the Great Apostacy causes the Church to be rejected next in the fulfillment of final end times prophecy, at which time Israel will rebuild the physical 4th Temple and finish fulfilling God's end times prophecy, including the final 144,000 end times saints.

Preterists of every stripe either have to take all unfulfilled biblical prophecy which was left unfulfilled, no matter how much future, or how much of a worldwide event it was to be, to have to have been fulfilled in Jerusalem only, all by 70 AD, or newer versions of Preterism to claim, well some of the universal and worldwide fulfillment occured by the complete fall of the Roman empire?

Well that's all nute. The linguistic or textual context, all refutes the insanity of every form of Preterism, in my book, or in the book of anyone who is spiritually sane in my opinion. There is no point in parsing Biblical Greek with a Preterist, because they will concede nothing, but their interpretation of all biblical prophetic passages is insane to me.

Daniel 7:12 alone, after the initial passage of the beast kingdoms leading to the 1st coming / advent of Christ, where Dn 7: continues to cornicle to the very end at judgement day, and the beast was defeated, and burned, but in Dan 7:12 as for the rest of the beasts their dominion was taken away, but an extension of life was granted them for a time and seasons ( look it up in the hebrew, ) and from Dan 13: and on the 2nd coming of Christ and judgement is discussed in more detail, and then it goes into more on the 4rth beast again, much like Revelation which has repeating sections, modeled after how Daniel 7: jumps in time too.

But however one chooses to interpret Daniel, and Revelation, Preterists cram all of this, and all other OT prophetic passages on the Day of the Lord, as all having occurred in 70 AD in Jerusalem, or some shortly after at the fall of the Roman Empire? That's all just nuts.

And their NT are all crazy as well. Of course we, the Church, is the 3rd Temple, but the Jews will be grafted back in, and build the4th Temple, and complete the fulfilment of all remaining end times prophecy. And the Day of the Lord, and in that Day, is a split 2,000 split partial and full fulfilment in a futurist interpretation. Preterism is apparently the end times great apostacy, coming eventually for the entire apostate end times great falling away apostacy itself.

Don. K Preston is a massive heretic, ad while a clever enemy of the truth, as mny such clever enemies exist, he clearly is one. I have listened to everything he says / teaches, and he converts no one who are sound at all.


Thanks again

and God Bless,

Mike

You apparently have discovered the problems of interpretations, but have also stumbled upon them. But that was me being nice--you seem to be returning to the problem (you know--the swine verse) after expressing it.

Preterists have the same problem. They too work their interpretation around the times of men and this world, rather than the eternal (timeless) nature of God the Author of said confusion. The problem is claiming one set of timed events, is no better than claiming another set of timed events--because the events are of God rather than of times. Now, it is true that the events have been explained or revealed in times--but so does every day include darkness. I submit therefore, that the only correct interpretation of the events written of the things of God, is not to be found within the context of the times of this world, but without.

Times is not the correct context for matters of God. To the contrary, the context of this world is rather one of revealing them--not about times--but within times...as only a godly form of media. Very simply...the correct context is (timelessly) "I am", while the incorrect context was and is revealed, "yesterday, today, etc.", as light into darkness. That is, that out of eternity the Light of Christ shown into darkness--that darkness of creation and the dividing of light from the darkness, as through a prism known to this world as the times herein...as if one could walk through them like the pages of a book that [was] written "before the foundation of the world." In a nutshell.

 

[Gandalf-]

@Gandalf-

From what I understand, I agree with your thread title.

However, why do you trouble yourself (and others) with language skills, when God has made it known that He has confused/confounded all language at Babel, and order that has not been rescinded? To the contrary, not only has He not rescinded it, He has added that the scriptures are "foolishness" except and unless "spiritually discerned."

So then, you have begun by establishing an intent to apply "foolishness?"

I will read further, but...thus far, strange.

God has indeed increased their foolishness exponentially. The ore that science can now prove, the more that it all proves is creationism, and evolution is false, etc.., Science absolutely proves God, as the NT tells us is the case. God and His attributes indeed witness the invisible things of God to be true, and even the heavens above declares God's glory.

However the enemies of God are driven all by lying hate, in which they merely pretend they are all warm and fuzzy inside, and merely pretend they follow only reason, and science is on their side. The NT, and even the OT, warns us of their hate and lies will only grow, and things will only go from bad to worse, until God finally puts an end to them all, upon the return of Christ.

However I disagree with you that the confusion of Babel is only growing. On the contrary we are warned that God will give them over to a powerful delusion, and basically how their delusion and knowledge will both increase.

Their delusion is based upon their incorporeal gnostic lies, as is personified in the covenant of night, rather than by day, where Isaiah also shows that God will rescue even his remnant from within them. Their gnostic covenant by night ( the book of Jeremiah testified that God has such covenants by day and night both, ) is where in captivity if they are destined to go, they will still be rescued from, by still believing in faith. The NASB is my favorite OT translation, because it's just about the most literal translation, handling most OT and handling most OT Idioms very well.

And their gnosticism is personified in Isaiah in the "Bee of Assyria and the Fly of Egypt," which was far more than a mere military call, as commentators try and sell. The entire book of Isaiah, as well as Jeremiah, etc.., exposes and personifies their hidden gnostic system of lies, and how Assyria thinks of herself as the queen of heaven, and there is none besides her, etc.., and Egypt as her opposite counterpart.

Jesus warned that their night was coming, ( in ernest and increasing in power, if you read between the lines, ) where Jesus not only gave Anti-Gnostic Answers in the gospels, but even warned for us to be of the day, and not the night, for night comes when no man can work.

And as far as Anti-Gnostic Answers, when Jesus answered that "it is easier for a camel to go thru the eye of a needle," lying modern end times scholars all peddle the same lie, that Jesus only spoke Aramaic, and so the gospels were either originally knowledge in Aramaic, in which what Jesus said was translated incorrectly from the Aramaic, and what Jesus originally said was "it is easier for a rope to go thru the eye of a needle," - thus calling God, the apostles, and the bible, to be incompetent, and wrong, which is a hell of a lot of Blasphemous nerve to imply God was incompetent, and the apostles and bible wrong.

And when Jesus likewise said "they pass a camel, but strain at a gnat," that was the same kind of Anti-Gnostic answer, negating the claims on the rope versus camel commentary lies. Isaiah and Jeremiah, etc., both at the very least have such anthropomorphic animal personifications of their evils, and their evils contained within their gnosticism, etc.., as per Jer 2:23b-25a, and Jer 5:8, etc.., etc.., etc..,

And their gnostic incorporeal separation from reality, where they become like the dust whispering from beneath the earth, to go to even finer ad finer dust, until their persecuting enemies finally become life chaff, blown away from the wind, is not only the meaning of Led Zeppelin's song Kashmir, where zeppelin lies, and tells you that such separation from reality, and going finer, and finer is a good thing, and even lies making up a false angel by the name of Stormy, who told them words they could not relate ( were not allegedly allowed to relate? ) -----And was all based on the revelation of the entire chapter of Isaiah 29: where Zeppelin was spining and celebrating the judgment of Isaiah 29: and Isa 9:20, 29:6-8, 49:26 etc.., etc.., etc..,

I played rock n roll and heavy metal on the guitar for 10 years before becoming a Christian, and therefore suddenly knew all that rock and metal were secretly teaching was gnosticism and evil, from opposing gnostic perspectives of Patriarchal and Matriarchal Gnosticism, come to make war with God and the world.

And so from the beginning I became an expert on such pattern recognition, both God's and the World's - And I tell you their end times plots and schemes are becoming more, and not less, intense indeed.

 

[Gandalf-]

You apparently have discovered the problems of interpretations, but have also stumbled upon them. But that was me being nice--you seem to be returning to the problem (you know--the swine verse) after expressing it.

Preterists have the same problem. They too work their interpretation around the times of men and this world, rather than the eternal (timeless) nature of God the Author of said confusion. The problem is claiming one set of timed events, is no better than claiming another set of timed events--because the events are of God rather than of times. Now, it is true that the events have been explained or revealed in times--but so does every day include darkness. I submit therefore, that the only correct interpretation of the events written of the things of God, is not to be found within the context of the times of this world, but without.

Times is not the correct context for matters of God. To the contrary, the context of this world is rather one of revealing them--not about times--but within times...as only a godly form of media. Very simply...the correct context is (timelessly) "I am", while the incorrect context was and is revealed, "yesterday, today, etc.", as light into darkness. That is, that out of eternity the Light of Christ shown into darkness--that darkness of creation and the dividing of light from the darkness, as through a prism known to this world as the times herein...as if one could walk through them like the pages of a book that [was] written "before the foundation of the world." In a nutshell.

My expertise is on pattern recognitions, and especially on recognition of God's almost endless Anti-Gnostic revelations in the OT prophets, etc.., and how Jesus even continued with many Anti-Gnostic Answers himself, continuing to expose God's war against the secret gnosticism of the world system, they pretend does not exist. And for their hatred for God, they hide behind the lie of so called secular humanism, to pretend they are being scientific, and God, the Bible, and thus religion is wrong.

But they only lie, and com pound their judgement. Actual and True Science, Screams God, and Proves God, unlike their lies to the contrary. I love Science, as real science, unlike their lying demonic hate, actually proves God, as God has told us thru the apostle Paul, etc.., that the Heavens, and everything else basically witnesses to, and Screams God. Evolution is Scientifically Impossible, as are all of their other so called theories that try and do away with God, and give us mother nature instead.


God has made His revelation Ambiguous in many places, requiring diligent study, but not leading to confusion except to the extent we lead ourselves to confusion, due to a lack of faith. But I see this lack of faith almost everywhere, where almost everyone refuses to see all of God's many Anti-Gnostic Versus in the OT, and even continuing with the Anti-Gnostic answers in enough places directly from Jesus as well, as well as the rest of the Nt likewise being against the Gnostic Mysteries of Iniquity And Lawlessness, etc..,

My interpretation of the lawless mysteries of gnosticism, are a consistent understanding. One may say I am wrong, if they don't believe me, but they can't say I'm not studied, and consistent both.

 

[Gandalf-]

So you build your belief on what supposed scientist say, not good, man is a liar

Just as the early claims of man's missing links were a hoax, all fabricated by man seen below

The Bible teaches of young earth, man teaches otherwise, I will believe the Bible and not the liars

Where do you get your lies? ...Do you even bother to read? .....Can you read? ......Can you comprehend anything?

Where did I say I believed in an old earth, rather than believe in God?

My entire point, ( only for those who can read, and even comprehend, ) is that God also clearly states in the Bible, that he will give the world over to a powerful delusion, for not believing the truth, and how God will mock them for trying to mock Him, and how even the Heavens declare his glory, etc..,

My entire stance has always been that they never present Science, but only hatred, while pretending to be warm and fuzzy, and present the opposite of science, which as God said, all screams about God and his creation.

For example Evolution is 100% Scientifically Impossible The only thing scientifically possible, alone, is Creation.

And all of their attempts at Theoretical Physics so constructed to Disprove God and or His Creation - Fail, because God is the only conclusion behind theoretical physics today, which is why so many scientists have become creationists and believe in God.

Where do you get I believe in an old earth? I believe As I Have Stated In So Many Ways That God Promised Them Such Delusions And Has Left Signs In Numerical Symbol And Type To Show God Is Aware Of Their Beliefs Because To Me It Shows God Is Witnessing That This Is The Delusion They Will Be Given Over To, And Is Merely Filling In The Details As To What They Believe Because He Gave It To Them To Believe!

Do You Even Bother To Read What Other People Write Or Believe?

 

[RLT63]

God has indeed increased their foolishness exponentially. The ore that science can now prove, the more that it all proves is creationism, and evolution is false, etc.., Science absolutely proves God, as the NT tells us is the case. God and His attributes indeed witness the invisible things of God to be true, and even the heavens above declares God's glory.

However the enemies of God are driven all by lying hate, in which they merely pretend they are all warm and fuzzy inside, and merely pretend they follow only reason, and science is on their side. The NT, and even the OT, warns us of their hate and lies will only grow, and things will only go from bad to worse, until God finally puts an end to them all, upon the return of Christ.

However I disagree with you that the confusion of Babel is only growing. On the contrary we are warned that God will give them over to a powerful delusion, and basically how their delusion and knowledge will both increase.

Their delusion is based upon their incorporeal gnostic lies, as is personified in the covenant of night, rather than by day, where Isaiah also shows that God will rescue even his remnant from within them. Their gnostic covenant by night ( the book of Jeremiah testified that God has such covenants by day and night both, ) is where in captivity if they are destined to go, they will still be rescued from, by still believing in faith. The NASB is my favorite OT translation, because it's just about the most literal translation, handling most OT and handling most OT Idioms very well.

And their gnosticism is personified in Isaiah in the "Bee of Assyria and the Fly of Egypt," which was far more than a mere military call, as commentators try and sell. The entire book of Isaiah, as well as Jeremiah, etc.., exposes and personifies their hidden gnostic system of lies, and how Assyria thinks of herself as the queen of heaven, and there is none besides her, etc.., and Egypt as her opposite counterpart.

Jesus warned that their night was coming, ( in ernest and increasing in power, if you read between the lines, ) where Jesus not only gave Anti-Gnostic Answers in the gospels, but even warned for us to be of the day, and not the night, for night comes when no man can work.

And as far as Anti-Gnostic Answers, when Jesus answered that "it is easier for a camel to go thru the eye of a needle," lying modern end times scholars all peddle the same lie, that Jesus only spoke Aramaic, and so the gospels were either originally knowledge in Aramaic, in which what Jesus said was translated incorrectly from the Aramaic, and what Jesus originally said was "it is easier for a rope to go thru the eye of a needle," - thus calling God, the apostles, and the bible, to be incompetent, and wrong, which is a hell of a lot of Blasphemous nerve to imply God was incompetent, and the apostles and bible wrong.

And when Jesus likewise said "they pass a camel, but strain at a gnat," that was the same kind of Anti-Gnostic answer, negating the claims on the rope versus camel commentary lies. Isaiah and Jeremiah, etc., both at the very least have such anthropomorphic animal personifications of their evils, and their evils contained within their gnosticism, etc.., as per Jer 2:23b-25a, and Jer 5:8, etc.., etc.., etc..,

And their gnostic incorporeal separation from reality, where they become like the dust whispering from beneath the earth, to go to even finer ad finer dust, until their persecuting enemies finally become life chaff, blown away from the wind, is not only the meaning of Led Zeppelin's song Kashmir, where zeppelin lies, and tells you that such separation from reality, and going finer, and finer is a good thing, and even lies making up a false angel by the name of Stormy, who told them words they could not relate ( were not allegedly allowed to relate? ) -----And was all based on the revelation of the entire chapter of Isaiah 29: where Zeppelin was spining and celebrating the judgment of Isaiah 29: and Isa 9:20, 29:6-8, 49:26 etc.., etc.., etc..,

I played rock n roll and heavy metal on the guitar for 10 years before becoming a Christian, and therefore suddenly knew all that rock and metal were secretly teaching was gnosticism and evil, from opposing gnostic perspectives of Patriarchal and Matriarchal Gnosticism, come to make war with God and the world.

And so from the beginning I became an expert on such pattern recognition, both God's and the World's - And I tell you their end times plots and schemes are becoming more, and not less, intense indeed.

Very interesting,