Preterism's Claim Of 70AD Fulfillment Is Silenced In One Verse, Luke 21:35

[Marty fox]

To be precise, the grace that we have is only a pre-millennial partial experience to be fully realized at the return of Christ and the beginning/duration of the thousand year millennium.

The bible says otherwise

Hebrews 8:13
By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.

 

[Marty fox]

Only born-again Saints are included in the new covenant. Sinners may not apply. Sinners remain under the old covenant. It is in effect to judge them and hold them accountable(per Rom 3) at the end of the world (per Revelation 20).

Are you not a sinner? We all are

Romans 3:10
As it is written: “There is no one righteous, not even one;

You need to reevaluate you understanding of salvation

 

[Truther]

No I have the full grace now

Do sinners have Grace or law?

 

[Truther]

The bible says otherwise

Hebrews 8:13
By calling this covenant “new,” he has made the first one obsolete; and what is obsolete and outdated will soon disappear.

Right, to the Saints. Not to sinners. Was that verse in Hebrews written to sinners?

 

[Truther]

Are you not a sinner? We all are

Romans 3:10
As it is written: “There is no one righteous, not even one;

You need to reevaluate you understanding of salvation

I was baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of my sins. God does not consider me a sinner. How about you? Did you obey Acts2:38 therefore being remitted of all sin? Did you know that is how a saint is born? Did you know that the Saints alone are free from the law? Did you know that sinners are not free from the law?

 

[Marty fox]

Fact is, your entire premise has a massive fail in its foundation. The law is still in effect. I can prove this to you throughout the epistles. The law is in effect for sinners and not for saints. This is something that both preterism and dispensationalism have completely overlooked. They’re both wrong.

See post #121

How can gentiles be under the law?

The law never has or even could save anyone

 

[Truther]

The law will pass away when sin passes away. At the end of the world. Now you understand what Jesus meant when he said..,.,Until heaven and earth pass away not one jot or title from the law will...

 

[Truther]

See post #121

How can gentiles be under the law?

The law never has or even could save anyone

Romans chapter 2 and chapter 3 says all men are under the law. To some it is the written law and to some it is the unwritten law, holding everyone guilty before God.

 

[Truther]

The law was never given to save anyone, the law was given because of transgressions to heap guilt on mankind. If you take away the law you take away guilt. The only people that are free from guilt are the saints. Sinners are under the law. You will find that from Romans to James.

 

[Truther]

The problem everybody is having is that they think God’s laws vanish into oblivion. God’s laws became more complicated starting in the garden of Eden and all the way to the end of Malachi. These are all books of laws and all of them will cause man to stand before God in the judgment. The only people that are free from the laws of God from Genesis to Malachi are the saints of the most high God.

 

[Truther]

Jesus himself even added to the laws during the Gospels, which made it virtually impossible to keep the law. The reason he said what he said including self amputation is to cause people to run to Grace. It’s still holds true today. You either self amputate or you find grace. Jesus’ words did not pass away regarding this command. He said the law will not end until the end of the world.

 

[Truther]

You see, law and Grace have both been simultaneously existing from the beginning of creation until now. Neither one has ended.

We simply must choose between the two. Noah chose wisely. He found Grace in the eyes of the Lord.

 

[Truther]

The only part of the law that the Saints are bound to are the laws regarding marriage. This is an exception to the law regarding the Saints because marriage is a carnal act. But necessary to a saints spiritual welfare.

 

[Truther]

In summary, any saint that falls back into sin falls back under the law. The only way to stay out of the law is to walk in the Spirit per Galatians 5.

 

[Truth7t7]

It doesn’t really matter the point is that it says the world and the world is the world it doesn’t say a part of the world.

The topic is Luke 21:35 and interpretation of the words (the face of the whole earth.)

Your claims of interpretation of (The World) in other bible chapters is off topic and a distraction, stop the games

Genesis 8:9 has the exact same words as Luke 21:35, this clear interpretation isnt local to Jerusalem as you claim, but is the entire earth

The event of Luke 21:35 below is future, and will come upon the entire earth, and this didnt take place in 70AD Jerusalem as many claim

Luke 21:35KJV
35 For as a snare shall it come on all them that dwell on the face of the whole earth.

Genesis 8:9KJV
9 But the dove found no rest for the sole of her foot, and she returned unto him into the ark, for the waters were on the face of the whole earth: then he put forth his hand, and took her, and pulled her in unto him into the ark.

 

[Truth7t7]

Maybe in your.mind,but in truth it was about70ad.

Future Unfulfilled

Matthew 24:15, Matthew 24:21, Matthew 24:29-31

 

[Truth7t7]

So any prophecy that mentions the world you believe by necessity, based on certain descriptions, is always in the future? How did you come to this underlying presupposition?

The scripture is self explanatory

Nahum 1:5KJV
5 The mountains quake at him, and the hills melt, and the earth is burned at his presence, yea, the world, and all that dwell therein.

 

[Marty fox]

You see, law and Grace have both been simultaneously existing from the beginning of creation until now. Neither one has ended.

We simply must choose between the two. Noah chose wisely. He found Grace in the eyes of the Lord.

If it’s the law I think you’re talking about it wasn’t even given until mosses

 

[Marty fox]

Right, to the Saints. Not to sinners. Was that verse in Hebrews written to sinners?

Yet it doesn’t say obsolete to saints it says obsolete.

The writer also says that it will soon disappear and it did with the destruction of the temple and the writer know that it would happen soon because Jesus said it would why do you think that the temple was destroyed?

 

[Truth7t7]

Yet it doesn’t say obsolete to saints it says obsolete.

The writer also says that it will soon disappear and it did with the destruction of the temple and the writer know that it would happen soon because Jesus said it would why do you think that the temple was destroyed?

The Law Disappeared With The Death, Burial, And Resurrection Of Jesus Christ, Not In A Temple Destruction Decades Later As You Claim

Jesus Spoke symbolically of the temple in his resurrected body, not a literal destruction as you claim

The veil in the Holy place was torn from top to bottom at the Lords death, the temple was destroyed, gone

Sad part is, you have been clearly shown over and over, and you continue in your claims

Just like those in dispensationalism, repeating the pre-trib rapture, no different

Matthew 27:50-51KJV
50 Jesus, when he had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost.
51 And, behold, the veil of the temple was rent in twain from the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent;

John 2:19-22KJV
19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.
20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?
21 But he spake of the temple of his body.
22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.