Pretrib fallacies

[WPM]

Aren't Christians now a new creation in Christ?
A new way of being alive, yet in a body that will die.

Therefore, if anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation. ​

The old has passed away; behold, the new has come. 2 Corinthians 5:17​

Then after what we are now, to come will be the resurrection!
No more death!
No more having to contend with our body's fallen nature as we do now!

As we are now a new creation in Christ.
Is like the earth will be during the Millennium.
Transformed for a better planet to live on.
But not everlasting.
Only 1000 years.

At present we can have peace and understanding by the power of God's grace enabling us.
But we still have the fallen nature to contend with!
That is what the first new earth represents.

In contrast to how we are now?
The Resurrection will be the second new earth...
Will never die.
No sin.
And, without end.

The Millennium is only 1000 years.
People will live that long.

Then?
It will end, just like we now die.

Two different new heavens and new earth.

Think it over.
You are now a new creation in Christ. Right?

Later you will become another kind of new creation.
The Resurrection

According to the book of Revelation the new heavens and new earth appears after the millennial period. Prove me wrong!

 

[WPM]

That will be the final new earth.
Two different new earths will take place.
They each serve different purposes.

Read here, please... New Earth will be...

Oh! So there are 2 new heavens and new earth - would corrupt, temporal and full of sin and the other perfect, glorified and eternal? Where does it teach that in God's Book. It seems like you are making it up as you go.

 

[William Barton]

What? Who taught you that? I see you present zero Scripture to support your claims - as is the Pretrib MO.

Every believer is caught up at Christ's return - all. All the wicked are destroyed. Hello! Any alternative to that is unscriptural.

1 Thessalonians 4:15-5:3 confirms: “we which are alive and remain unto the coming [Gr. parousia] of the Lord shall not prevent them which are asleep. For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words. But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.”

It is very simple what this is saying to the unindoctrinated mind. This is the end. It is over. God's people are rescued. The wicked are destroyed. There are no survivors here. We are now into eternity.

This coming is not only sudden but noisy. Christ is not coming secretly with an apologetic whisper but publicly with a triumphant shout. He appears with “with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God.” This trumpet will sound and bring forth the elect from all nations. I Thessalonians 5:2-7 confirms that it isn’t just Christ’s Advent in glory that is sudden but also the destruction that accompanies.

Likening Christ’s return to “a thief in the night” capably serves to impress the surprising nature of His coming for the lost. It shows that the wicked are caught abruptly in their folly at the apocalypse. The “sudden destruction” is so impactful that none escape. That is explicit in the narrative. The wicked are totally and completely destroyed, allowing no room for the Pretrib theory of a subsequent 7yrs trib or some imaginary future millennium.

Jesus then concludes Matthew 24:35-41: “Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming [Gr. parousia] of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming [Gr. parousia] of the Son of man be. Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.”

What is "that day" that Jesus refers to here in His teaching? There is only one answer: the day He just spoke about – the day and hour when "heaven and earth shall pass away." Hello! This couldn’t be clearer.

After telling us that “heaven and earth shall pass away,” Jesus immediately tells us: “of that day and hour knoweth no man.” What day and hour? The one and only final future climactic coming (or parousia) of our Lord. Please see the Greek word is used twice here in this passage. This final day that is approaching is coming unexpectedly for the lost. His arrival will surprise only those who are not prepared for it. This fits in with the “thief in the night” scenario found elsewhere in Scripture. It would seem to confirm that the day that Christ returns is the day when the current corrupt natural order (both the creature and creation) is gloriously changed. The wicked and all corruption are destroyed when Jesus comes. The Lord here identifies the passing away of “heaven and earth” with “the coming of the Son of man.”

1 Corinthians 15:22-24 confirms the finality of that day and its clear relation to the end, saying, “For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive. But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming [Gr. parousia]. Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.”

This reading outlines in totally unambiguous language how the second coming of the Lord will be completely all-consummating in its nature. This final event expressly ushers in the end, and is the stage that Christ finally presents “up the kingdom to God” and “shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.” It is the concluding end for all mankind on this scene of time, now eternity and the general judgement. Notwithstanding, we cannot fail to note the stark contrast between God’s dealing with the kingdom of God and that of the kingdom of darkness at the end. One is finally presented “up,” the other is finally put “down.” All this coincides with the one final future coming (or ‘parousia’) of the Lord.

Pre-Great-Tribulation Rapture is noted in
o John 14:2-3
o 1Corinthians 15:51-53
o 1Thessalonians 4:15-17
o Revelation 11:2
o Revelation 14:16-21.

The purpose is to remove believers from the bowl judgments (Revelation chapter16:

"Great tribulation" is noted by Jesus himself in Matthew 24:21:

"For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been from the beginning of the world until now, and never will be."

 

[William Barton]

Then, who is on earth during your millennial period?

IMO:
The basic difference is that Jesus will rule the world from Jerusalem. Check out Revelation chapters 19-22, it's easy reading.

After the millennium will come a new heavens and earth.