PRETRIB RAPTURE ANCIENT ROOTS

[rebuilder 454]

Here are THREE = CLEAR as DAY

And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.

For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.
And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened.

“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

You referenced a verse saying that unless those days be shorten no flesh would be saved, but for the Elect sake those days will be shortened

Read Rev 14.
The elect...the Jews are saved.
Again I can't stress enough that you need to get knowledge of the 2 wives.
The 2 covenants.
1 the bride of Christ
2 The covenant Jew.... the wife gone awhoring.

 

[The Light]

Here are THREE = CLEAR as DAY

Not a chance.

And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations, and then the end will come.

This is the end of the age which is the 6th seal. Jesus comes for a harvest and then the 7th seal wrath of God begins. You've got all those trumpets and vials to go through and there is no rapture during this time except for the two witnesses.

For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be.
And unless those days were shortened, no flesh would be saved; but for the elect’s sake those days will be shortened.

The Church is already in heaven at this point. It is the Jews that go through the great tribulation. If the days are not cut short, there would be no flesh that could be raptured alive to salvation. All that are raptured at the 6th seal would have to come out of the graves.

“Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken. Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. And He will send His angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they will gather together His elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Yes this is post trib in the true definition, as Jesus returns at the 6th seal for the second harvest.. But the 7th seal wrath of God has not happened. So in effect your belief is that there is a rapture post wrath. There is no rapture in the 7th except for the two witnesses.

 

[David in NJ]

Yes.
The saints already in heaven are gathered by angels AFTER the trib.
Keep reading and find out a couple verses later ( you know...the verses you guys change and omit) it says the RAPTURE is pretrib, preflood.
See that?
AFTER the tribulation saints gathered in heaven.
BEFORE THE FLOOD/TRIB Noah ( us worthy ones looking for Jesus) are gathered into the ark.
Then the ark goes into the heavens.
Then we ( Noah) return BACK TO EARTH.
That "coming back" is your postrib coming.

Pretribulation gathering. Postrib return.

Read it all.
Bingo...comprehension follows.
Omit...like you guys champion, no comprehension.

Your job is to point out a POSTRIB RAPTURE VERSE.
You guys need comprehension.
Think " comprehension"

the FLOOD is WRATH = therefore no pre-trib rapture

Post-trib pre-wrath rapture

 

[rebuilder 454]

Of course He brings the dead saints with Him. The dead in Christ rise first. The alive remain. When He returns for the alive that remain He will bring the dead in Christ that already have new bodies with Him.

The same thing happens when He comes for the second harvest. He gathers the elect from heaven which is the Church and brings them with Him.


1 Corinthians 15 is the second harvest. This harvest occurs before the wrath of God at the last trump which is blown on the Feast of Trumpets.. This is when the angels are sent to gather the elect from heaven and earth at the end of the age.

1 Thessalonians 4 is the first harvest, when the Lord Himself comes for the Chruch at the trump of God or voice of God. This rapture happens before the great tribulation.

When we call them out on their "verses" it is as if some Don Knots anointing comes upon them and they " manfully" post some nonpostrib rapture verses" .
.....thinking they did something

So funny.

 

[rebuilder 454]

the FLOOD is WRATH = therefore no pre-trib rapture

Post-trib pre-wrath rapture

Oh...silly me.
Noah was not gathered preflood.
He did not ascend into the heavens.

He was gathered after the flood and went high into the sky.

( I had some left over postribber goggles I put on. Then your deal made sense)
Lol

 

[David in NJ]

Oh...silly me.
Noah was not gathered preflood.
He did not ascend into the heavens.

He was gathered after the flood and went high into the sky.

( I had some left over postribber goggles I put on. Then your deal made sense)
Lol

pre-Flood = pre-Wrath

the Flood was not the tribulation = it was the Wrath of God poured down on the inhabitants of earth

Noah was in the Ark = SAFE from Wrath

God's Wrath took them away and His Grace preserved Noah and family and the animals

 

[The Light]

the FLOOD is WRATH = therefore no pre-trib rapture

Post-trib pre-wrath rapture

You might need to rethink this.

They were eating and drinking until the day Noah entered the ark. It did not flood when Noah entered the ark.

 

[David in NJ]

Not a chance.

This is the end of the age which is the 6th seal. Jesus comes for a harvest and then the 7th seal wrath of God begins. You've got all those trumpets and vials to go through and there is no rapture during this time except for the two witnesses.

The Church is already in heaven at this point. It is the Jews that go through the great tribulation. If the days are not cut short, there would be no flesh that could be raptured alive to salvation. All that are raptured at the 6th seal would have to come out of the graves.


Yes this is post trib in the true definition, as Jesus returns at the 6th seal for the second harvest.. But the 7th seal wrath of God has not happened. So in effect your belief is that there is a rapture post wrath. There is no rapture in the 7th except for the two witnesses.

This is the end of the age which is the 6th seal.

the 6th Seal is a revealing of His 2nd Coming = there are multiple revealings of His 2nd Coming in Revelation

Every Saint you see/read about in Revelation died on earth before their spirit ascended to Heaven.

 

[David in NJ]

You might need to rethink this.

They were eating and drinking until the day Noah entered the ark. It did not flood when Noah entered the ark.

the FLOOD began with rain falling from the sky, which it had NEVER occurred before the day that Noah entered the Ark

 

[rebuilder 454]

pre-Flood = pre-Wrath

the Flood was not the tribulation = it was the Wrath of God poured down on the inhabitants of earth

Noah was in the Ark = SAFE from Wrath

God's Wrath took them away and His Grace preserved Noah and family and the animals

Oh so Noah was In the trib preflood, then the wrath came????
You do realize what you are saying? You are saying that no was in some tribulation. complete with an Antichrist, the other 3 horsemen, a third of them population be in killed.
And famine.
in all the saints left behind are persecuted and martyred before the wrath, correct.

Let's get our bibles out.
We surely notice that there's an enumerable number that are Martyrs in the tribulation. and they are in heaven DURING THE TRIB and they are a labeled as the innumerable number that came out of the tribulation.
So there's millions or billions of MARTYRS. And you're saying that that's before Noah got into the Ark? BILLIONS KILLED PREFLOOD?????

Well, that don't work either. Because Jesus said it was normal life. People were planning for the future, every day life, and there was commerce.
Now in your model, it is exactly the opposite. Because during the trib the Antichrist is persecuting the saints that are left behind. There's absolutely no Commerce for any believer that's left behind, unless you take the mark.
So people are basically starving to death except that no, he's rounding up and killing them. So no, no, that scenario is way way way way off.
So maybe you have no verses???

 

[The Light]

the 6th Seal is a revealing of His 2nd Coming = there are multiple revealings of His 2nd Coming in Revelation

Every Saint you see/read about in Revelation died on earth before their spirit ascended to Heaven.

The 6th seal is a harvest that occurs before the 7th seal wrath of God.

It is actually the second coming but Jesus remains in the clouds and sends His angels to gather the elect from heaven and earth. All return to heaven for the marriage supper of the Lamb. Hence the great multitude in heaven in Rev 7

 

[David in NJ]

The 6th seal is a harvest that occurs before the 7th seal wrath of God.

It is actually the second coming but Jesus remains in the clouds and sends His angels to gather the elect from heaven and earth. All return to heaven for the marriage supper of the Lamb. Hence the great multitude in heaven in Rev 7

Just as there is not a single pre-trib rapture verse/prophecy = there does not exist a verse of raptured saints returning to Heaven

All the saints in Revelation were killed on earth BEFORE their souls arrived in Heaven = 1 Thess 4:13-18

The only saints who are not killed are those whom God preserves alive unto His 2nd Coming = 1 Thess 4:13-18

JESUS does not take them back to Heaven = 1 Thess 4:13-18

 

[David in NJ]

Oh so Noah was In the trib preflood, then the wrath came????
You do realize what you are saying? You are saying that no was in some tribulation. complete with an Antichrist, the other 3 horsemen, a third of them population be in killed.
And famine.
in all the saints left behind are persecuted and martyred before the wrath, correct.

Let's get our bibles out.
We surely notice that there's an enumerable number that are Martyrs in the tribulation. and they are in heaven DURING THE TRIB and they are a labeled as the innumerable number that came out of the tribulation.
So there's millions or billions of MARTYRS. And you're saying that that's before Noah got into the Ark? BILLIONS KILLED PREFLOOD?????

Well, that don't work either. Because Jesus said it was normal life. People were planning for the future, every day life, and there was commerce.
Now in your model, it is exactly the opposite. Because during the trib the Antichrist is persecuting the saints that are left behind. There's absolutely no Commerce for any believer that's left behind, unless you take the mark.
So people are basically starving to death except that no, he's rounding up and killing them. So no, no, that scenario is way way way way off.
So maybe you have no verses???

Oh so Noah was In the trib preflood, then the wrath came????

YES and it is CRYSTAL CLEAR from Genesis and the Gospel and the Apostles

There were fallen angels/antichrists on earth in Noah's Day = same as JESUS said in Matt ch24

 

[rebuilder 454]

the 6th Seal is a revealing of His 2nd Coming = there are multiple revealings of His 2nd Coming in Revelation

Every Saint you see/read about in Revelation died on earth before their spirit ascended to Heaven.

Rev 14:14
Nothing there about they died on earth.
Same with the 144k. No indication of them dying.
Yet they go to heaven and are there.
That " one coming" deal is a fail.

You know where that " one coming" theory came from?
A blatant departure from what the bible says.

Anyone that reads the rapture verses and the second coming verses, then Ruth and romans, then the parable of the wedding guests, then says with authority, "only one coming no matter what Jesus says", is not only in rebellion, but has GUARANTEED himself beheading.

 

[David in NJ]

Rev 14:14
Nothing there about they died on earth.
Same with the 144k. No indication of them dying.
Yet they go to heaven and are there.
That " one coming" deal is a fail.

You know where that " one coming" theory came from?
A blatant departure from what the bible says.

Anyone that reads the rapture verses and the second coming verses, then Ruth and romans, then the parable of the wedding guests, then says with authority, "only one coming no matter what Jesus says", is not only in rebellion, but has GUARANTEED himself beheading.

Rev chapter 14

Here is a call for the perseverance of the saints, who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

And I heard a voice from heaven telling me to write, “Blessed are the dead—those who die in the Lord from this moment on.”

“Yes,” says the Spirit, “they will rest from their labors, for their deeds will follow them.”

 

[rebuilder 454]

Just as there is not a single pre-trib rapture verse/prophecy = there does not exist a verse of raptured saints returning to Heaven

All the saints in Revelation were killed on earth BEFORE their souls arrived in Heaven = 1 Thess 4:13-18

The only saints who are not killed are those whom God preserves alive unto His 2nd Coming = 1 Thess 4:13-18

JESUS doe snot take them back to Heaven = 1 Thess 4:13-18

QUOTE
"there does not exist a verse of raptured saints returning to Heaven"

Huh?
1) pretrib doctrine has the GOING to heaven, not "returning to heaven "

2) you do not know our doctrine, so you can not intelligently debate it.
3 ) the REASON We say we go to heaven is BECAUSE THE BIBLE SAYS IT.
4) The virgin parable, the last supper dialogue, the wedding guest parable, 1 thes 4, Rev 19, Rev 14.....all TO HEAVEN.

You need to listen and study. You are just parroting postrib workbook "power points"
"Powerless points apart from scripture"

 

[rebuilder 454]

Rev chapter 14

Here is a call for the perseverance of the saints, who keep the commandments of God and the faith of Jesus.

And I heard a voice from heaven telling me to write, “Blessed are the dead—those who die in the Lord from this moment on.”

“Yes,” says the Spirit, “they will rest from their labors, for their deeds will follow them.”

Yes many that died on earth are in heaven.
That does not prevent the bible from being true.
We DO SEE the other dynamic of those not dying and going to heaven.

It is nothing new.
Elijah and Enoch went there.
DID NOT DIE ON EARTH.

 

[rebuilder 454]

Cmon postribbers.
We are getting desperate here for a single verse.
One???
Anybody??????
I thought it was a slam dunk.

Ok so maybe no verses.
How about one that infers a postrib rapture.
I bet there is a ton of them????
Ok....just one....I don't want you guys to implode in a vacuum.

 

[David in NJ]

Yes many that died on earth are in heaven.
That does not prevent the bible from being true.
We DO SEE the other dynamic of those not dying and going to heaven.

It is nothing new.
Elijah and Enoch went there.
DID NOT DIE ON EARTH.

We DO SEE the other dynamic of those not dying and going to heaven.

Can you please post the scripture(s) that declares this - thank you

ALSO = i am making a fresh pot of coffee = i will spill some on my keyboard and send it to you via CBF

 

[WPM]

I wonder how many I'll informed postribbers will still lie about the rapture In the Bible.
This video cuts to the heart of their error.

I refuted this video above. It is full of lies and nonsense!