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I do not follow any formal type or organization of doctrines and beliefs per se. I once said that I do follow to degrees a collection of beliefs and some unique to myself that I know of. The closest I would say that is aligned with my beliefs are the Conservative Biblical Unitarians, Christadelphians, the Polish Brotherhood/Brethren, and the SDA. I do not consider myself a follower of one or another.First thanks for the reply.
second, my belifs are centered on the Spirit who is JESUS the almighty God, who Diversified himself in flesh. no not as the Oneness Pentecostal teaches, nor do I believe in any Modalist system as those who believe in three persons.
the doctrine I believe in is scripture centered.
and you?
I do not follow any formal type or organization of doctrines and beliefs per se. I once said that I do follow to degrees a collection of beliefs and some unique to myself that I know of. The closest I would say that is aligned with my beliefs are the Conservative Biblical Unitarians, Christadelphians, the Polish Brotherhood/Brethren, and the SDA. I do not consider myself a follower of one or another.
Getting back to my previous post to you, to the point, the Father is the primary role to mankind and creation of God Almighty, and the source all divinity or Godhood or Godhead as you might call it. Jesus, the Son of God is more than a title. He is actually a created being that attained immortality as our savior and upon his resurrection he became a deity himself for the fort time, powered by God Almighty. Having said that, Jesus is still and always shall be subject to his Father, God Almighty. We as believers will also attain immortality and become deities under the power of God through the Son of God. This area of scripture is scant of information and subject to improvement. Now the Spirit of God or Holy Spirit is the composition (Major attribute) of God that extends into this world and in people in various degrees and power. It is the power and feedback and control feature of God essentially, that Jesus does share in and use, that executed and executes God Almighty's word (his inner expressions and commands and will/purposes) (John 1:1-3, 14) today and tomorrow. Jesus has the power of God today. So in summary, where you have 'just Jesus' as the Godhood, I have God Almighty and his Son, at this time. Later we will also be included in fully partake of the divinity of God Almighty, as true believers, in immortality.
Bless you,
APAK
first thanks for the reply, second, excuse me for not replying sooner, (was away from the computer). but i did read your post, which above I do not agree with, nor the Unitarians beliefs.He is actually a created being that attained immortality as our savior and upon his resurrection he became a deity himself for the fort time, powered by God Almighty. Having said that, Jesus is still and always shall be subject to his Father, God Almighty.
(7) The Holy Spirit is not the Father.
He is actually a created being
Not saying that you're right or wrong, but consider this. what was born? flesh or spirit?There is one Spirit (Ephesians 4:4), the Father (John 4:23-24), even the Holy Ghost (John 7:39).
I agree that in His humanity He was created (Romans 1:3 (kjv)); however this does not change the fact that He is the God who created us (Isaiah 45:11 , John 1:1-3 (kjv), John 1:14 (kjv))
““When the Counselor comes, the One I will send to you from the Father —the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father—He will testify about Me. You also will testify, because you have been with Me from the beginning.” (John 15:26–27) (HCSB)There is one Spirit (Ephesians 4:4), the Father (John 4:23-24), even the Holy Ghost (John 7:39).
I agree that in His humanity He was created (Romans 1:3 (kjv)); however this does not change the fact that He is the God who created us (Isaiah 45:11 , John 1:1-3 (kjv), John 1:14 (kjv), John 1:10 (kjv))
This is not true in any sense. Jesus is God, eternal.I do not follow any formal type or organization of doctrines and beliefs per se. I once said that I do follow to degrees a collection of beliefs and some unique to myself that I know of. The closest I would say that is aligned with my beliefs are the Conservative Biblical Unitarians, Christadelphians, the Polish Brotherhood/Brethren, and the SDA. I do not consider myself a follower of one or another.
Getting back to my previous post to you, to the point, the Father is the primary role to mankind and creation of God Almighty, and the source all divinity or Godhood or Godhead as you might call it. Jesus, the Son of God is more than a title. He is actually a created being that attained immortality as our savior and upon his resurrection he became a deity himself for the fort time, powered by God Almighty. Having said that, Jesus is still and always shall be subject to his Father, God Almighty. We as believers will also attain immortality and become deities under the power of God through the Son of God. This area of scripture is scant of information and subject to improvement. Now the Spirit of God or Holy Spirit is the composition (Major attribute) of God that extends into this world and in people in various degrees and power. It is the power and feedback and control feature of God essentially, that Jesus does share in and use, that executed and executes God Almighty's word (his inner expressions and commands and will/purposes) (John 1:1-3, 14) today and tomorrow. Jesus has the power of God today. So in summary, where you have 'just Jesus' as the Godhood, I have God Almighty and his Son, at this time. Later we will also be included in fully partake of the divinity of God Almighty, as true believers, in immortality.
Bless you,
APAK
ok, let me put it to you this way, do you have the Holy Spirit in you, do that make you divine?Indeed, it was the flesh that was born. I believe that Jesus (the Son) as a Person is both human and divine. Of course, "prior" to His incarnation He is the Father.
Yes, I have heard you state the same verses before Dave. So can you explain how these verses say Jesus is God.This is not true in any sense. Jesus is God, eternal.
“In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.” (John 1:1–3) (KJV 1900)
“And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.” (John 1:14) (KJV 1900)
if you don't mind me taking this, beside John 1:1c "WAS God".Yes, I have heard you state the same verses before Dave. So can you explain how these verses say Jesus is God.
Thanks, Blessings..
APAK
““When the Counselor comes, the One I will send to you from the Father —the Spirit of truth who proceeds from the Father—He will testify about Me. You also will testify, because you have been with Me from the beginning.” (John 15:26–27) (HCSB)
if you don't mind me taking this, beside John 1:1c "WAS God".
Matthew 1:23 "Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us".
and that name is Jesus,
Matthew 1:21 "And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS: for he shall save his people from their sins".
and once again his deity,
Hebrews 1:8 "But unto the Son he saith, Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of thy kingdom.
What you miss is that the One Spirit of God has three persons. Father. Son, and Comforter, = Holy Spirit. If you think of God materialistically, you end up with a bunch of scriptures that don't fit.This does not change the fact that there is only one Spirit (Ephesians 4:4); and that the Father is a Spirit (John 4:23-24). So, instead of pitting these verses against each other, let us seek to understand how they come together.
Also, this explained it adequately enough for me:
Proof of the Trinity. No takers?
“Now I desire to remind you (even though you have been fully informed of these facts once for all) that Jesus, having saved the people out of the land of Egypt, later destroyed those who did not believe.” (Jude 5) (NET)Yes, I have heard you state the same verses before Dave. So can you explain how these verses say Jesus is God.
Thanks, Blessings..
APAK
In the OT the expression Emmanuel was used to denote that God was with his people in battle and to overcome difficulties - to save them from death.
Philippians 2:6 says that Jesus was the image (mental - in thoughts and thus actions) of his Father and never thought he was equal with his Father (his word and spirit).
I would not hang my hat or hang myself on this mistranslated verse
The contexts of Hebrews Chapter 1 clearly is all about God as the Father the supreme one and his Son as the lesser being.
Now this verse has the same problem as the English translation of Isaiah 9:6. I have to say it was done deliberately to promote the Trinitarian view in scripture.
Now also in Isaiah 9:6 The better translation with the correct meaning is of this type:
Not as in nearly all other translations:
(Isa 9:6) For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace. (KJV)
Jesus is not the mighty God, he is the mighty one, ruler, warrior or hero.
Also left for another time, Jesus is the father of the new creation of believers, head of the church. He is the father of it, the founder of it. He is the father of the future eternal age, and not the eternal father as this is solely the place of God Almighty.
Justbyfaith, while you're in John 14, listen to this,This does not change the fact that there is only one Spirit (Ephesians 4:4); and that the Father is a Spirit (John 4:23-24). So, instead of pitting these verses against each other, let us seek to understand how they come together.
Also, this explained it adequately enough for me:
Proof of the Trinity. No takers?