Proving Jesus Is God With The New World Translation Bible

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All Scripture is quoted from the Jehovah Witness Bible (NWT)

John 5:22,
- For the Father judges no one at all, but has entrusted all the judging to the Son.

Matthew 16:27,
- For the Son of man is come in the glory of his Father with his angels and then he will repay each one according to his behavior.

The point of these verses is to prove it is Jesus who will do ALL of the judging not His Father.
To say otherwise is to speak against the word of God.

Continue,

Revelation 22:20,
- The one who bears witness of these things says Yes I am coming quickly, Amen! Come Lord Jesus.

Revelation 22:12,
- Look I am coming quickly and the reward I give is with me, to repay each according to his work.

To anyone who is honest they can see this is Jesus in Revelation 22:12 and Revelation 22:20.
All these passages are speaking of Jesus NO DOUBT.

Revelation 22:12-13,
- Look I am coming quickly and the reward I give is with me, to repay each according to his work
Verse 13,
- I am the Alpha and Omega the first and the last, the beginning and the end.

Conclusion: Jesus describes Himself as the Alpha and Omega the first and the last!!!
This is the description only God can use of Himself.
For a man to refer to himself by this title would be blasphemy!!!!

Deny if you dare but the JW Bible even speaks the truth that Jesus is the Alpha and Omega the first and the last.

Jesus is God, just accept what the Bible says!!!

John 8:24,
- Therefore I said unto you that you will die in your sins for if you do not believe that I am He you will die in your sins
 

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Besides that this is even more clearer, where GOD the FATHER HIMSELF says, Jesus is 'God' and 'Lord', even in any reliable version.

(KJV) Hebrews 1:
8. But unto the Son
(Jesus) HE(GOD) saith, "Thy Throne O God(Son), is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of Thy Kingdom.
9. Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God
(Son), even Thy GOD(FATHER), hath anointed Thee with the oil of gladness above Thy fellows.
10. And, Thou, Lord
(Son), in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the Heavens are the works of thine hands:
 

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The rules of this forum states:

This topic [the Trinity] may not be initiated, discussed or debated at Christianity Board, whether it be for or against the Trinitarian view. Included in this is the side mantra of "Jesus is not God" Such posts/threads will be deleted immediately and disciplinary action will be taken in the form of warning points and/or bans depending on the outcome. Old threads will also be removed from public view as well as new ones.​

So this thread may self-destruct at any time! Nevertheless, I'll make some comments.

The point of these verses is to prove it is Jesus who will do ALL of the judging not His Father.
Yes, as Paul says, Romans 2:16 (UASV):

(16) on the day when, according to my gospel, God will judge the secrets of men through Christ Jesus.​

and Jesus said, John 5:22 (WEB):

(22) For the Father judges no one, but he has given all judgment to the Son,​

Revelation 22:12,
- Look I am coming quickly and the reward I give is with me, to repay each according to his work.

To anyone who is honest they can see this is Jesus in Revelation 22:12 and Revelation 22:20.
All these passages are speaking of Jesus NO DOUBT.
The context is that an angel is speaking to John. The angel then gives a message from somebody - it could be God or Jesus. Yes, verse 20 is referring to, or quoting, Jesus when it says "Yes, I come quickly”, but God speaks of "coming to judge" in Isaiah 26:21 (WEB):

(21) For, behold, Yahweh comes out of his place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity. The earth also will disclose her blood, and will no longer cover her slain.​

and in Malachi 3:1-6 (WEB) God speaks of a joint coming for judgement with, or through, His anointed (Messiah - Jesus), the "messenger of the covenant":

(1) “Behold, I send my messenger [John the Baptist], and he will prepare the way before me; and the Lord [God], whom you seek, will suddenly come to his temple; and the messenger of the covenant [Messiah], whom you desire, behold, he comes!” says Yahweh of Armies.​
(2) “But who can endure the day of his coming? And who will stand when he appears? For he is like a refiner’s fire, and like launderers’ soap;​
(3) and he will sit as a refiner and purifier of silver, and he will purify the sons of Levi, and refine them as gold and silver; and they shall offer to Yahweh offerings in righteousness.​
(4) Then the offering of Judah and Jerusalem will be pleasant to Yahweh, as in the days of old, and as in ancient years.​
(5) I will come near to you to judgment; and I will be a swift witness against the sorcerers, and against the adulterers, and against the perjurers, and against those who oppress the hireling in his wages, the widow, and the fatherless, and who deprive the foreigner of justice, and don’t fear me,” says Yahweh of Armies.​
(6) “For I, Yahweh, don’t change; therefore you, sons of Jacob, are not consumed.​

Verse 13,
- I am the Alpha and Omega the first and the last, the beginning and the end.

Conclusion: Jesus describes Himself as the Alpha and Omega the first and the last!!!
The context is such that it could be words of God or Jesus - most likely God (the revelation is after all the "revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him", Revelation 1:1). It is wrong to insist that this implies, let alone proves, that Jesus is God.

Deny if you dare but the JW Bible even speaks the truth...
BTW, I am not a JW.

John 8:24,
- Therefore I said unto you that you will die in your sins for if you do not believe that I am He you will die in your sins
The context is that Jesus declared, John 8:12 (WEB):

(12) Again, therefore, Jesus spoke to them, saying, “I am the light of the world. He who follows me will not walk in the darkness, but will have the light of life.”​

The next verse says, John 8:25 (WEB):

(25) They said therefore to him, “Who are you?” Jesus said to them, “Just what I have been saying to you from the beginning.​

Jesus claimed to be the Messiah, e.g.:

John 4:25-26 (WEB):
(25) The woman said to him, “I know that Messiah comes, he who is called Christ. When he has come, he will declare to us all things.”​
(26) Jesus said to her, “I am he, the one who speaks to you.”​
Mark 14:61-62 (WEB):
(61) But he stayed quiet, and answered nothing. Again the high priest asked him, “Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed?”​
(62) Jesus said, “I am. You will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of Power, and coming with the clouds of the sky.”​

Even the demons delcared the truth:

Luke 4:41 (WEB):
(41) Demons also came out of many, crying out, and saying, “You are the Christ, the Son of God!” Rebuking them, he didn’t allow them to speak, because they knew that he was the Christ.​

So the "I am he" that Jesus was referring to was that he was the Messiah, not that he was God.
 
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6 For unto us a Child is born,
Unto us a Son is given;
And the government will be upon His shoulder.
And His name will be called
Wonderful, Counselor, Mighty God,
Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.
 

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Besides that this is even more clearer, where GOD the FATHER HIMSELF says, Jesus is 'God' and 'Lord', even in any reliable version.
That should be "this is clearer" or "this is more clear" - "more clearer" is bad English. (Sorry, but hearing people speak, and write, using bad English is a bit aggravating! :wink:)

(KJV) Hebrews 1:
8. But unto the Son
(Jesus) HE(GOD) saith, "Thy Throne O God(Son), is for ever and ever: a sceptre of righteousness is the sceptre of Thy Kingdom.
9. Thou hast loved righteousness, and hated iniquity; therefore God
(Son), even Thy GOD(FATHER), hath anointed Thee with the oil of gladness above Thy fellows.
10. And, Thou, Lord
(Son), in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the Heavens are the works of thine hands:
It's quite clear that almighty God YHVH is referring to His Son, Jesus:

Hebrews 1:1-2 (WB):
(1) God, having in the past spoken to the fathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways,​
(2) has at the end of these days spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, through whom also he made the worlds.​

The passage is about God's Son (Jesus), and when quoting from Psalm 45 it is clear that God refers to His Son as a God (for Jesus is indeed a mighty, God like person, greater than all the angels), yet declares that He is His Son's God. Therefore it is clear from Hebrews 1 that Jesus is not God!
 
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That should be "this is clearer" or "this is more clear" - "more clearer" is bad English. (Sorry, but hearing people speak, and write, using bad English is a bit aggravating! :wink:)


It's quite clear that almighty God YHVH is referring to His Son, Jesus:

Hebrews 1:1-2 (WB):
(1) God, having in the past spoken to the fathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways,​
(2) has at the end of these days spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, through whom also he made the worlds.​

The passage is about God's Son (Jesus), and when quoting from Psalm 45 it is clear that God refers to His Son as a God (for Jesus is indeed a mighty, God like person, greater than all the angels), yet declares that He is His Son's God. Therefore it is clear from Hebrews 1 that Jesus is not God!
Gods son, by practice would be God.

Jesus is not created. In fact. in the OT. he spoke to moses (at the burning bush) He spoke to Israel. and said he is sent by the father and his spirit.

Jesus is not an angel..

As he said, Before Abraham existed. I always existed.
 

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The context is such that it could be words of God or Jesus - most likely God (the revelation is after all the "revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him", Revelation 1:1). It is wrong to insist that this implies, let alone proves, that Jesus is God
It is as obvious as the nose on your face that Jesus is the one being spoken of in Revelation 22:12-13.


Matthew 16:27,
- for the Son of man is to come in the glory of His Father with his angels and then he(Jesus) will repay each one according to his behavior.

Revelation 22:12,
- Look I am coming quickly and the reward I give is with me(Jesus) to repay each according to his work.

The one speaking in both verses is Jesus and its obvious, so the very next verse must be Jesus for Jesus is the one SPEAKING IN VERSE 12.

Revelation 22:12-13,
- I (Jesus) am the Alpha and Omega the first and the last, the beginning and the end.

To claim the speaker is not Jesus in verse 13 is pure desperation.

Jesus DOES NOT CHANGE HIS SPEAKING OF HIMSELF IN VERSE 12 TO ANOTHER IN VERSE 13!!!

Verse 12 is Jesus referring to Himself and He continues speaking of Himself in the very next verse.

To claim otherwise is running from the context.
 

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Revelation 22:20,
- The one who bears witness of these things says, Yes, I am coming quickly , Amen come, Lord Jesus.

Revelation 22:12,13
- Look I am coming quickly, and the reward I give is with me, to repay each according to his work.
- I(Jesus) am the Alpha and Omega the first and the last, the beginning and the end.

Any honest person can see the one who is coming quickly to judge is Jesus Christ.
And Jesus is the speaker in Revelation 22 :13 the Father is not in the context.
 

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Does that mean he's not with other bible translations?
The JW Bible is one of the worst translations to date. The Jehova Witnesses have always denied the diety of Jesus and many other essential Christian Doctrines. The Jehova Witnesses created their own translation called the New World translation so they could edit it to conform to their specific theologies primarily the lack of Diety for Jesus.
And as the OP has proven....it's a failed attempt. Because the Diety of Jesus is throughout the New Testament and even Moreso in the Old Testament.
 

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So the "I am he" that Jesus was referring to was that he was the Messiah, not that he was God.
This comment is to John 8:24

John 8:24,
- Therefore I said unto you that you will die in your sins for if you do not believe that I am He you will die in your sins
Believe that He is what?
What is our confession of Christ?

Acts 8:37,
- if you believe with all your heart you may, the Eunch answered, I believe that Jesus Christ is the Son of God

This is what we are to believe about Jesus in order to be saved.
Does this belief/confession include that Jesus is God?

John 19:7,
- The Jews answered Him we have a law and by our law He ought to die because he made Himself the Son of God
-When Pilate heard that saying he was the more afraid


The Jews were all sons of God.
So when Jesus told the Jews that He was the Son of God it was a proclamation of His deity!!
No jew would have commited a sin against God for saying they were a Son of God.

Jesus claimed He was Gods only begotten Son, therefore He was born of the Father in heaven!!!

Simple: How do you get a man child?
1 man + 1 women= physical baby boy.

Jesus:
1 virgin women + God the Father in heaven = God in the flesh.

John 8:24,
- i said therefore unto you, that ye shall die in your sins for if ye believe not that I am He ye shall die in your sins

John 1:18,
- no man hath seen God at any time the only begotten Son which is in the bossom of the Father, He hath declared Him
 

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The passage is about God's Son (Jesus), and when quoting from Psalm 45 it is clear that God refers to His Son as a God (for Jesus is indeed a mighty, God like person, greater than all the angels), yet declares that He is His Son's God. Therefore it is clear from Hebrews 1 that Jesus is not God!
If this is correct then the Bible contradicts itself.

Hebrews 1:8,
- But unto the Son He(Father) saith, Thy throne O God is for ever and ever

The Father declares His Son as God in Hebrews chapter 1.
 

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That should be "this is clearer" or "this is more clear" - "more clearer" is bad English. (Sorry, but hearing people speak, and write, using bad English is a bit aggravating! :wink:)
i don't see that is a bad English besides you, for we're based on international English grammar. So called, 'a bit aggravating', but GOD consider the wisdom of this world of yours to be folly.

Basically, 'this is even more clearer', for understanding and 'this is more clear', for understanding, even not quite an unlearned reader able to understand the point.

And, 'this is even more clearer', refers to a direct quote from Hebrews, GOD HIMSELF says to the Son Jesus, that, He is 'God' and 'Lord'.
It's quite clear that almighty God YHVH is referring to His Son, Jesus:

Hebrews 1:1-2 (WB):
(1) God, having in the past spoken to the fathers through the prophets at many times and in various ways,​
(2) has at the end of these days spoken to us by his Son, whom he appointed heir of all things, through whom also he made the worlds.​
The passage is about God's Son (Jesus), and when quoting from Psalm 45 it is clear that God refers to His Son as a God (for Jesus is indeed a mighty, God like person, greater than all the angels), yet declares that He is His Son's God.
This false testimony of yours as according to the wisdom of this world, GOD considers 'folly'.

First 'folly', because Psalm ch. 45 or the Old Testament on it's own, does not testify nor refers to GOD's Son. Even an unsaved Jew will disagree with you, as for him refers to their only true GOD alone. For only through the born again Apostles chosen by Jesus and given by the only true GOD, the revelation is made in the new Light.

The born again Hebrew writer in revelation did not quote the whole of Psalm ch. 45. In order to reveal is referring to the Son as God, besides the FATHER also the only true GOD. But alone specific verses within are quoted and by revelation in the new Light apparently testifies, 'But unto the Son HE saith, .....................'

Second 'folly', whether Psalm ch. 45, there does not refer to 'a' God, or Jesus is indeed 'a' mighty God, but only according to you. You sound in testimony like an unbeliever referring to one's 'demigods', 'a' god of or 'a' goddess of, so and so. On the other hand, we born again of water and the Spirit, in spirit we refer to the Son as 'the' God and 'the' Lord, or the FATHER also 'the' GOD. In simple definition to sum up based on scripture, the Son is referred to as 'the' Mighty GOD, and the FATHER to as 'the' ALL MIGHTY GOD', of Heaven and earth.

In the beginning of your reply itself, there's already red flag up in regards you, For just because a small grammar differences probably, you've made a so called, a 'bit aggravating' remarks. From then on, as the saying goes, 'all hell break loose', hence there were furthermore waving red flag already.
 
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Therefore it is clear from Hebrews 1 that Jesus is not God!
Wow!

Many red and waving flags are up to that 'twisted' and 'false' testimony!

Only wise grown ups according to the wisdom of this world cum 'blind guides', would miss the written testament children understand, 'But unto the Son HE saith, ............................'

In other words, But to the Son GOD the FATHER says, "Your Throne, O God, is for ever and ever: ......................................"
 

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Wow!

Many red and waving flags are up to that 'twisted' and 'false' testimony!
As I pointed out, according to the rules of this forum we're supposed to refrain from discussing this topic, because often people can't discuss it in a polite and civil manner. So I'll just quote some more verses of Scripture and comment no further.

John 17:1-3 (WEB):
(1) Jesus said these things, and lifting up his eyes to heaven, he said, “Father, the time has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may also glorify you;​
(2) even as you gave him authority over all flesh, so he will give eternal life to all whom you have given him.​
(3) This is eternal life, that they should know you, the only true God, and him whom you sent, Jesus Christ.​

1 Corinthians 8:5-6 (WEB):
(5) For though there are things that are called “gods”, whether in the heavens or on earth; as there are many “gods” and many “lords”;​
(6) yet to us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we for him; and one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom are all things, and we live through him.​
 

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i don't see that is a bad English besides you, for we're based on international English grammar. So called, 'a bit aggravating', but GOD consider the wisdom of this world of yours to be folly.

Basically, 'this is even more clearer', for understanding and 'this is more clear', for understanding, even not quite an unlearned reader able to understand the point.
Just for fun I thought I'd try out Microsoft's 'Copilot in Windows (preview)' to prove my point. It came up with:

Ah, the delightful dance of comparative adjectives! Let’s unravel this linguistic tango, shall we?

So, here’s the scoop: “more clearer”—while it might sound like a tag team of emphasis—is actually a bit of a grammatical no-no. Let’s break it down:
  1. Clearer: This is the correct comparative form of the adjective “clear.” When you want to say something is more transparent, easier to understand, or less foggy than something else, you say “clearer.” For instance:
    • “Your explanation is clearer than mine.”
    • “The water in this glass is clearer than in that one.”
  2. More Clear: Now, this one is a bit like a polite guest at a language party—it shows up even though it’s not strictly necessary. Technically, “clear” is a one-syllable adjective, so it should follow the pattern of adding “-er” for the comparative form. But guess what? In everyday usage, both “clearer” and “more clear” are acceptable. It’s like they’re doing a friendly handshake and saying, “Hey, let’s both hang out!”
    • “Clearer”tends to be more conversational:
      • “Thanks, you’ve helped make it clearer for me.”
    • While “more clear”might feel a tad more formal:
      • “Thank you, you have helped to make it more clear for me.”
  3. Grammar Alert!: Now, here’s the golden rule: You either use “-er” or “more,” but never both. So, avoid these awkward combos:
    • “More clearer”: It’s like saying “more more clear,” which is like trying to fit a giraffe into a Mini Cooper—just doesn’t work!
    • “More clearest”: Clearest already means “the most clear,” and you can’t get clearer than that. So, no need for “more most clear.”
In summary, if you’re feeling casual, go with “clearer.” If you’re channeling your inner Shakespeare, opt for “more clear.” Either way, you’re doing just fine!