Psychics and Mediums?

[Dave L]

What a smoke screen. Nothing you have said addresses the cessation of the gifts of the Holy Spirit. Again, provide Scripture that teaches the gifts have ceased.

Stranger

Only they were to come behind in no gift waiting for the Revelation of Jesus Christ, written by John.

 

[Stranger]

“He that speaketh in an unknown tongue edifieth himself; but he that prophesieth edifieth the church.” (1 Corinthians 14:4) (KJV 1900)


“I would that ye all spake with tongues, but rather that ye prophesied: for greater is he that prophesieth than he that speaketh with tongues, except he interpret, that the church may receive edifying.” (1 Corinthians 14:5) (KJV 1900)

This doesn't say the one speaking in an unknown tongue understands what he is saying. Instead, in (1 Cor. 14:13) it says the one praying in an unknown tongue should pray for an interpretation. In other words, for one who has the gift of interpretation.

The person with the gift of tongues edifies himself when he uses his gift even though he doesn't understand it. The action of the Spirit of God using him edifies him.

Stranger

 

[Stranger]

Only they were to come behind in no gift waiting for the Revelation of Jesus Christ, written by John.

Where did Paul say they were to come behind no gift waiting for the Revelation of Jesus Christ? Chapter and verse.

Nothing what you have said proves any cessation of the gifts of the Holy Spirit.

Stranger

 

[Dave L]

Where did Paul say they were to come behind no gift waiting for the Revelation of Jesus Christ? Chapter and verse.

Nothing what you have said proves any cessation of the gifts of the Holy Spirit.

Stranger

“so that you are not lacking in any gift, awaiting eagerly the revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ, who will also confirm you to the end, blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.” (1 Corinthians 1:7–8) (NASB95)

 

[Dave L]

This doesn't say the one speaking in an unknown tongue understands what he is saying. Instead, in (1 Cor. 14:13) it says the one praying in an unknown tongue should pray for an interpretation. In other words, for one who has the gift of interpretation.

The person with the gift of tongues edifies himself when he uses his gift even though he doesn't understand it. The action of the Spirit of God using him edifies him.

Stranger

Paul says those who speak in a tongue edify themselves unless the interpret so they can edify others = they understood what they were saying when speaking, before interpreting.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

Who else could it be?

Silly, the last words show is it about sin, not gifts, meaning that even if someone is in ministry and had all gifs, and had faith to move mountains, but had not love, they were nothing, their willful sins of adultery and the like are not just overlooked because God somehow owes it to them. Like Luther who preached a scale of sins on one side, and love for God on the other. As long as the love for God was more, it didn't matter how many sins were on the other side, no amount of sins would separate you from God. WRONG! And this verse proves it. You somehow, believe the gifts weren't legitimate and that's why Jesus never knew them. Doesn't say that. It was wickedness, and in some translations lawlessness (1 John 3:4 sin is lawlessness.)

 

[CoreIssue]

1 Corinthians 14:27-28 New International Version (NIV)
27 If anyone speaks in a tongue, two—or at the most three—should speak, one at a time, and someone must interpret. 28 If there is no interpreter, the speaker should keep quiet in the church and speak to himself and to God.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

I agree if you are talking about scripture as the completed collection of the Apostle's approved revelations from the first century.

God does the approving, not man, especially the Roman Church. I'm talking about The Epistle of Barnabas. I truly believe it is written by the same author as Hebrews. And it explains things and commands things our current Bible doesn't have that we direly need, that could have saved 60,000,000 babies. And interestingly, it would round out the number of books to be 28, perfectly divisible by 7 - the signature of God.

 

[Dave L]

God does the approving, not man, especially the Roman Church. I'm talking about The Epistle of Barnabas. I truly believe it is written by the same author as Hebrews. And it explains things and commands things our current Bible doesn't have that we direly need, that could have saved 60,000,000 babies. And interestingly, it would round out the number of books to be 28, perfectly divisible by 7 - the signature of God.

The apostles recognized each other's writings as scripture.

 

[Dave L]

Silly, the last words show is it about sin, not gifts, meaning that even if someone is in ministry and had all gifs, and had faith to move mountains, but had not love, they were nothing, their willful sins of adultery and the like are not just overlooked because God somehow owes it to them. Like Luther who preached a scale of sins on one side, and love for God on the other. As long as the love for God was more, it didn't matter how many sins were on the other side, no amount of sins would separate you from God. WRONG! And this verse proves it. You somehow, believe the gifts weren't legitimate and that's why Jesus never knew them. Doesn't say that. It was wickedness, and in some translations lawlessness (1 John 3:4 sin is lawlessness.)

These do not match the profile of mainline Christendom. But they match the Charismatics as far as works.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

The apostles recognized each other's writings as scripture.

Yes, and the EoB was read in all the churches.

 

[1stCenturyLady]

These do not match the profile of mainline Christendom. But they match the Charismatics as far as works.

What it matches is 1 Corinthians 13. If you think this verse in Matthew 7 doesn't apply to giftless Baptists or Calvinists, you are undiscerning. You don't realize it, but you are exhibiting the reason tongues is a sign to the unbeliever. Beware of judgment. You are becoming foolhardy.

Why do you think tongues was a sign to the unbeliever?

 

[CoreIssue]

God does the approving, not man, especially the Roman Church. I'm talking about The Epistle of Barnabas. I truly believe it is written by the same author as Hebrews. And it explains things and commands things our current Bible doesn't have that we direly need, that could have saved 60,000,000 babies. And interestingly, it would round out the number of books to be 28, perfectly divisible by 7 - the signature of God.

Introductory Note to the Epistle of Barnabas. - Bible Study Tools

 

[Stranger]

“so that you are not lacking in any gift, awaiting eagerly the revelation of our Lord Jesus Christ, who will also confirm you to the end, blameless in the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.” (1 Corinthians 1:7–8) (NASB95)

Again, proves nothing concerning the cessation of the gifts of the Holy Spirit. In fact it addresses the need of the gifts.

Stranger

 

[Stranger]

Paul says those who speak in a tongue edify themselves unless the interpret so they can edify others = they understood what they were saying when speaking, before interpreting.

So? I showed you that edifying oneself isn't synonymous with understanding what is spoken. It is not necessary for the one with the gift of tongues to understand. They are edified in the use of the gift.

You have proven nothing.

Stranger

 

[Stranger]

Paul says those who speak in a tongue edify themselves unless the interpret so they can edify others = they understood what they were saying when speaking, before interpreting.

All that proves is that unless there is an interpreter, only the one with the gift of tongues is edified. It doesn't prove that the one with the gift understands what is said when he speaks in tongues.

If the one with the gift of tongues understood what was said, then there would be no need for another with the gift of interpretation of tongues.

Stranger

 

[Dave L]

All that proves is that unless there is an interpreter, only the one with the gift of tongues is edified. It doesn't prove that the one with the gift understands what is said when he speaks in tongues.

If the one with the gift of tongues understood what was said, then there would be no need for another with the gift of interpretation of tongues.

Stranger

The speaker is edified before interpreting the message for others.

 

[Dave L]

So? I showed you that edifying oneself isn't synonymous with understanding what is spoken. It is not necessary for the one with the gift of tongues to understand. They are edified in the use of the gift.

You have proven nothing.

Stranger

Understanding = edification = what Paul said.

 

[Dave L]

Again, proves nothing concerning the cessation of the gifts of the Holy Spirit. In fact it addresses the need of the gifts.

Stranger

Only until the Revelation of Jesus Christ written by John.

 

[Dave L]

What it matches is 1 Corinthians 13. If you think this verse in Matthew 7 doesn't apply to giftless Baptists or Calvinists, you are undiscerning. You don't realize it, but you are exhibiting the reason tongues is a sign to the unbeliever. Beware of judgment. You are becoming foolhardy.

Why do you think tongues was a sign to the unbeliever?

I'm just saying, the Charismatics of today resemble those Jesus will tell to depart from him. Main line churches do not match the description.